Despite ACT candidate Cathy Odgers faux outrage at Capill tweet, she is still unfit to be a candidate
The latest post by ACT Party candidate and hate monger Cathy Odgers is so weak I'm almost feeling sorry for Cathy if this faux outrage at my twitter post below is the best she can try in an increasingly desperate attempt to hide the spite she spews at beneficiaries...
...oh boo hoo, cry me a river Cathy. Isn't it funny folks, the first blogger to put the boot into those weaker than her is now the first blogger to cry about a satirical quip at her expense. Cathy Odgers sure can shovel it, but she can't take it when it comes back the other way can she?
Let's not be smoke screened by her attempt to divert attention by her faux outrage to what is at issue here, her acceptability as a political candidate. Anyone who says this about beneficiaries deserves all the contempt they get - ladies and gentlemen, Cathy Odgers arguing for her sterilization bonus scheme...
"The heaving pathetic underclass do not seem to have any idea how to look after and better themselves let alone their kids. All the Whanau Ora in the world given to them from the collective troughing of the "consultant" middle class neo-minted Maori brorocracy won't help them.
Laws has already suggested a lump sum of $10k for sterilisation to much horrow and howling from those with no better answer, so how about another way?
How about we cut off the DPB and dole altogether and PAY the underclasses NOT to breed."
..."the heaving pathetic underclass hu?" Do we really want someone who writes such hatred of the poor to be in any political position? Cathy takes the anger and fury every one of us righteously feels when a little baby gets abused and murdered and manipulates that into a shit to smear all beneficiaries with. It's disgusting, it's divisive and it's targeted at those most vulnerable in society.
The sooner the mainstream media pick up on her hate mongering comments, the better for the election.
Cathy, your solution to pay every single solo mother money 'not to breed' isn't just the words of a fascist. You've managed Cathy to make solo mothering a crime in itself!
No where do you limit your thinking to those women who have had a history of previous abuse, at least that would mitigate the offensiveness of your post, you deem all solo mothers as, how did you so charmingly put it? 'The heaving pathetic underclass'.
By seamlessly merging child abusers with solo mothers, Kate has managed to be ignorant and stupid, it's a difficult self snooker, perhaps she should rename her candidacy 'the sound of one hand clapping' rather than crying see through crocodile tears about me.
A silver spooned corporate lawyer has no understanding whatsoever of beneficiary lives, and her blatant fascism should be called for what it is, hate mongering. The issue isn't comments I make as a political satirist at your expense Cathy, the issue is about, and has always been about, your naked hatred of the poor and the language you chose to articulate that hatred of the poor.
And on that issue, you know you are on a hiding to nothing and this pathetic attempt shows how much of a panic your candidacy is in before it's even begun. You think ACT want someone as radioactive as you on the Party list? It is up to the media to hold candidates to account, and until you are unsuccessful in your attempt to become an MP, I intend to hold you and the Party that is endorsing you to account for the hate you have spun all the way up until the election.
The ACT Party have simply managed to appoint a female David Garrett in terms of redneck social views, one more extremist on ACT's party list and they get banned from overseas financial transactions.
posted by Bomber @ 4:23 pm
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Amoral, dishonest, self interested and thick. A perfect ACT candidate.
I'm trying to wipe the tears of laughter from my face. Pure gold Bomber.
Comparing someone to a pedophile is not acceptable at all. Just as telling someone to go get raped is not at all acceptable.
I didn't compare her to a pedophile, I quipped that she showed more hate towards the poor than Laws, Henry and Capill combined - her faux outrage is made more pathetic now it's come out an ACT activist told someone to go 'get raped'.
I'm trying to wipe the tears of laughter from my face. Pure gold Bomber.
You loved it when I had a go at Cathy for shoveling it but can't hack one little quip? Yeah, candidate Cathy is a pretty amusing venture isn't she?
If you disagree with her so much, man up and run against her.
Was Capill particularly known for his "hate toward the poor"?
If you disagree with her so much, man up and run against her.
Sym, this is not some game of machismo, the media are the exact people to challenge candidates. Any politician who describes beneficiaries as the 'pathetic heaving underclass' deserve as much scrutiny as possible.
Was Capill particularly known for his "hate toward the poor"?
Mercilessly so
" I want to give the common man weapons against the intellectual man . I love the common people . I want to arm them against the lawyers , the doctors , the priests ... who , once in authority are more disastrous and tyrannical than all the fools , rascals and impostors " George Bernard Shaw . You're a good person Bomber . You're putting your neck on the block to arm the common people against the unintelligent albeit well educated , the relatively powerful and the influential haters and professional liars like Odgers and her minions . What chills me is that we , us Kiwis et al have no political protection from the ravages of the powerful Corporations . It's the Corporations that tell us how high to jump . It's the Corporations who watch our old people die on hospital waiting lists . It's Corporations who incite anxiety and brainwash us in to debt using glittering commercials ... but do you know what ? That's business ! And business is business . However ...as for politicians who not only allow us , but encourage us , to be subjected to this kind of psychopathic abuse . The bastards then sell our stuff to off shore Corporations who gouge us in return ! They then lie to us about what a great idea it was then pocket large amounts of money for themselves ? Well ? You can't shoot em , you can't vote em out and reasoning with [them] would be like convincing a brick wall it was in fact a sponge cake . The answer is you Bomber Bradbury ! You and your kind . Keep up the pressure Bomber . While I'm no Christian I'd like to quote again . " Evil Prevails where good people fail to act . "
Bomber I am no fan of ACT but I think that you do yourself a disservice by getting dragged into a slanging match with Odgers. It just reduces you to her level. Stick to the issues. You are much more effective and funny winding the bastards up by pointing out the flaws in their ideology and policies.
Criticism is worthless unless you are prepared to back it with action. Basically, you are staying I disagree with Cactus' views but not enough to get off your rump to do something positive to address the issues (that she at least is prepared to do). That's nothing to do with being macho... its to do with being positive (as opposed to corrosive).
By the way, if the 'media' are meant to be the ones challenging a candidate, what's the role of the opposing political parties?
Sym, none of these things are mutually exclusive. Of coarse the opposition should put up a strong case. Sometimes they don't. Whether they do or not, we need both the media (the 4th estate) and the citizenry to be engaged in the debate AS WELL. That is Democracy.
The right to criticize and publicly challenge political ideas isn't exclusive to those who run for Government, we'd have to build a much bigger parliament for that..
A commentator challenging a prospective politician on their remarks is getting "off your rump to do something positive to address the issues".
Criticism is worthless unless you are prepared to back it with action.
Nonsense, criticism is active in of and by itself. Your point is missed.
Basically, you are staying I disagree with Cactus' views but not enough to get off your rump to do something positive to address the issues
I bring you back to my first point, the criticism is active and when that criticism is valid it is positive, and even when it is countered, the original idea is stronger via the process of competing ideas.
(that she at least is prepared to do).
Whoa, hold the phone blocker, she was advocating state intervention bonus schemes for the poor. I mean for someone who screams nanny state as much as Cathy, isn't a state department running infertility bonus payments to the poor a twee bit Orwellian?
That's nothing to do with being macho... its to do with being positive (as opposed to corrosive).
Well ain't you all sunshine and rainbows. Having read Kate's venomous blogs in the past I think that statement is so factually incorrect you could only top it with 'David Farrar is an all seeing objective fair and balanced commentator'. Come on, Kate isn't corrosive? Are you visiting NZ for the first time?
By the way, if the 'media' are meant to be the ones challenging a candidate, what's the role of the opposing political parties?
Um. Really? Well, obviously the opposing political parties push and promote their platform of policies. You've seen a functioning democracy before right? The Fourth Estate? The media hold Political Parties and Candidates to account. You know, that old chestnut.
Ryan Sproull said... Was Capill particularly known for his "hate toward the poor"? ( 30/6/11, 9:33 AM)
No, quite right.
Capill reserved his hated for homosexuals, lesbians, transgendered, and anyone who didn't fit his peculiar moral compass.
'Media' should be both reporting and investigative. But real media should be apolitical. Unfortunately NZ media has lost its way in this regard.
Bloggers like yourself, Mr Whale, the crew at The Standard, Cactus, etc have morphed the two areas (journalism and political advocacy).
I'm suggesting is that it would be a better world people like you (not an ex, over the hill, time to be put out to pasture political activist) actually 'get in the ring' and put up solutions/policies in the environment we have here in NZ - namely Parliament.
I mean you have to believe you have a few more clues than some of the 'bench warmers' currently in there? No?
-Oh... and I'm not saying criticism doesn't have a place. Its just it has NO place without putting forward alternatives. Didn't your mum tell you "If you've got nothing good to say, then don't speak"?
Really the point I was making is that if you think you have something positive to contribute, then stop mucking around on the sidelines and "get in the game" (like Cactus has).
As for the media... I see the media as having a reporting and investigative role. It should be apolitical. Unfortunately (in my opinion) the NZ media is anything but apolitical. And it has lost its investigative ability. It is the role of the opposing political parties and activists to espouse alternative political ideas. You blogger folk seem to have a foot in each paddock (journalism and political activism). Hope the fence is not topped with some good barbed wire!
Sym Gardiner said... "Really the point I was making is that if you think you have something positive to contribute, then stop mucking around on the sidelines and "get in the game" (like Cactus has).
As for the media... I see the media as having a reporting and investigative role. It should be apolitical. Unfortunately (in my opinion) the NZ media is anything but apolitical. And it has lost its investigative ability. It is the role of the opposing political parties and activists to espouse alternative political ideas. You blogger folk seem to have a foot in each paddock (journalism and political activism). Hope the fence is not topped with some good barbed wire!" (30/6/11 6:34 PM)
Hang on a mo', Sym...
One the one hand you berate Bomber for criticising Ms Odgers because he doesn't and "get in the game" (like Cactus has)".
Then, on the other hand, you criticise the Media because "NZ media is anything but apolitical. And it has lost its investigative ability"?
In which case, why are YOU not taking up a career in journalism and setting the record straight?
If it's good enough for Bomber - then you need to follow your own advice.
Frank... I think you take me for someone who doesn't have anything more I important to do than go into politics. Bomber has stuck his proverbial foot into the political game. I'm saying, don't do things by halves. I'm saying go for it! Jump in with both feet.
Politically I may agree and disagree with aspects of what Bomber espouses but regardless it is important to have active politicians - as opposed to some of the seat warmers we have at the moment (on both sides of the political divide).
And i disagree Sym - being in the media holding politicians to account is as valid as running for politics.
I think he's trying to endorse you Bomber, sounds like he'd like more people like yourself, who are prepared to speak outside of the focus group in politics.
Thing is Sym, it's a global problem, politics has no credibility, it's a bunch of mouthpieces for an elite Oligarchy.
What we really need is for everybody to step up and participate in their democracy. Rather than sitting watching programs about the UK's fattest people or overachieving 6yr old's playing masterchef, or a penguin with sand in it's stomach....ad infinitum... with the assumption that we are being benignly managed by those nice folk in the center right and left.
AAMC said... " What we really need is for everybody to step up and participate in their democracy. Rather than sitting watching programs about the UK's fattest people or overachieving 6yr old's playing masterchef, or a penguin with sand in it's stomach....ad infinitum..." (1/7/11, 2:31 PM)
Precisely.
It doesn't matter one jot what electoral system we have; who the candidates are; what democratic safeguards are in place - if people don't get involved, then we simply get the government we deserve.
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