Australia media vs NZ media over Hone
You can tell how nervous the media are about Hone's support from the Poor when they write trash like this. Misinterpreting his respect for the dead as support for the death of 3000 people is as stupid as calling for a war on terrorism in the first place.
Here is how the Australian media covered the exact same bloody story...
'Maori leaders condemn celebrations of Osama's death'
In New Zealand, Maori leaders have condemned celebrations of the death of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
The country's prime Minister John Key and opposition leader Phil Goff welcomed the announcement by US President Barack Obama that American troops had killed the al-Qaeda leader in Pakistan.
But Mana Party head Hone Harawira says it is Maori custom to mourn any death, and that bin Laden fought for the rights of his people.
The New Zealand Herald and Pacific Media Watch say Mr Harawira made the comments on Maori television.
Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples told the Te Karere program that he did not agree with celebrating assassinations or the dumping of human bodies into the sea.
On the same show, academic Ranginui Walker said the time had come to pull New Zealand troops out of Afghanistan, and bin Laden should have been taken alive and given a trial.
Incredible isn't it - Aussie media and it's 'Maori leaders condemn celebrations of Osama's death' - yet in NZ it's 'Hone loves Osama'. It's bullshit wrapped up as news.
So what was Hone's actual quote that claims his support of Osama Bin laden?
“they [bin laden's family] mourn for a man who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people”.
Right so this entire beat up was a right wing smear, similar to the right wing smear Matthew Hooten was peddling early this week about Annette Sykes that he ran past me?
Let's remind ourselves. This week the West killed an unarmed elderly man in front of his daughter using information to locate him taken under torture at a cost of $1.2Trillion while killing anywhere between 100 000 and a million and you want a rousing round of USA?
Australian media understood what Hone was saying, NZ Media couldn't.
PS: I didn't take you for such an apologist of the West Paul, how slimy and smugly middle class of you. Stripped back, this was an assassination, not a victory for the West, I was responding to the fact that the West doesn't recognize it's own role in building the Osama monster as cheering crowds chanted USA!
You may be blind to the hypocrisy of the West Paul, I'm not.
posted by Bomber @ 7:21 am
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C'mon Bomber pleeeeeeeez stop describing OBL as elderly. He was 54!!!
Unarmed elderly man, lolz. Get a grip.
I have noticed that we are only getting on side of the Bin Laden story in New Zealand. It seems that any other alternative version of what happened has been censored. This is not the case in other parts of the world. Please follow the below link and read the article then listen to the interview. Whether a more critical and balanced version of the Bin Laden death gets reported is up to our "free media", as far fetched as it sounds, at least entertain the possibility that the US government might not be telling the truth (eg, WMDs).
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
Sincerely,
Joel Porter
Christchurch
Interestingly, the Dalai Lama is also complaining that the LA Times misquoted him as approving of the action.
Calling the man a freedom fighter who fought for his rights, land and people - sounds like fricken support to me!
I'm sorry ruf - could you please quote what Hone said for us all please? You are using the quote so please explain how what Hone said supports Bin Laden?
In case you are looking for the quote it is
"“they [bin laden's family] mourn for a man who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people”.
How is saying the Bin laden family mourn Bin Laden as a man who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people' saying he supports Bin laden? He was referring to the family of Bin laden, not voicing support for Bin Laden's actions
And another angle here nothingnew
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ME04Ak01.html
Oh For F sake Bomber don't be so obtuse - it was the manner in which he phrased it and the timing that made clear his sympathies. If I said 'Hitler's family mourns a man who fought for his rights his land and his people' right
after he shot himself in the bunker the conclusion that I was nazi sympathiser would be an entirely reasonable one!
Oh for fucks sake Ruf - just give us the quote you are using to suggest Hone supports Bin Laden please - it's real simple and not obtuse. Please give us the direct quote
Martyn you are the....well, da Bom! Well said, sir. Can I cut-and-paste into Yahoo, that bastion of bigotry?
BB, you are - ahem - da bom! Can I cut-and-paste into Yahoo, that bastion of bigotry?
Ok Bomber 'they (his family)mourn for a man who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people” is the quote.
Oh right, so Hone didn't in fact say he supported Osama as someone who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people, he actually said "they (his family) mourn for a man who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people' - so Hone wasn't actually supporting Osama at all was he, he was making a nod towards his whanau and how they see Bin Laden
Given the context - the recent violent death of the worst terrorist of modern times which anyone with an once of moral sense is viewing as a fittng end, this is obviously going to be viewed as tacit support .
This made me laugh out loud. The context is a discussion about people celebrating the death of an unarmed old man in front of his daughter at the cost of $1.2 trillion and anywhere between 100 000 to a million dead. That's the context, attempting to twist what Hone has said into support for Osama's crimes is churlish and simple minded, and I note that the Stuff website actually red-edited their story after they mis-quoted Hone.
By defending Hone you are implying he is too stupid to know it would be percieved as such. He aint stupid just ignorant enough to confuse a man who actually wished to take away the 'rights, the land and the freedom of infidels or any muslim who didn't share his radical brand of islam and happened to live in his proposed restored caliphate, with a freedom fighter.
No, I am calling the media on misquoting Hone and twisting what he said out of context, in the very same manner you have twisted his words out of context.
He didn't say he supported Bon Laden, he said Bin Ladens family mourn him in that light. I am hardly alone on this, even the Standard have blogged about the dirty troll like manner this smear campaign has been generated.
Ok tell me this, why did he feel the need to mention OBL's family viewed of him at that particular time? And how can he presume to know what his family thought of him? If he was squeamish about the manner of his exit why did he not say what Sharples said in the same interview along the lines of I find it distasteful to celebrate the death of someone? - a Maori culural position that seems reasonable.
No he went further...and as for OBL being unarmed..christ what should they have done give him a AK47 to make it a fair fight?
BTW your blaming of every life lost in Iraq and Afghanistan on the U.S is a stretch - couldnt we blame the guys planting the bombs?
Ok tell me this, why did he feel the need to mention OBL's family viewed of him at that particular time?
Because he was talking about how Maori view death connected to whanau, have you even watched the bloody interview???
And how can he presume to know what his family thought of him?
Are you drinking? The wife who ran forward? The daughter who watched him shot? They seem to have a pretty clearly defined view of him as he was shot!
If he was squeamish about the manner of his exit why did he not say what Sharples said in the same interview along the lines of I find it distasteful to celebrate the death of someone? - a Maori culural position that seems reasonable. No he went further...
So not only do you want to insinuate with a false quote that Hone supported Osama, you also want to tell Hone how he should culturally grieve do you?
and as for OBL being unarmed..christ what should they have done give him a AK47 to make it a fair fight?
No I think he should have been captured alive and put on trial for the crimes he has committed, shooting an old unarmed man in front of his daughter from information taken under torture isn't something to celebrate, and that's what the bloody interview was about!
BTW your blaming of every life lost in Iraq and Afghanistan on the U.S is a stretch - couldnt we blame the guys planting the bombs?
No it isn't and no we couldn't. We invaded two countries on bullshit reasons leading to the deaths of anywhere between 100 000 and a million for our war of Terror. The irony that we couldn't arm Osama fast enough when he fought the Soviets is only matched by the fact that the West turned out to be the weapon of mass destruction.
Osama was a monster the west helped build, let's knock off the sanctimonious flag blinded celebrations shall we?
Good on ya Bomber.I am not a Hone supporter but he's got the right scared and that's very gratifying to see after 3 years of utter despair on my part at what has happened to our country and our democracy.
Good luck with your complaint against those lying manipulating douche bags at the Herald.
No - sober as a judge, But fuck me reading your reply makes we wish I WAS drinking. Firstly when I referred to his families' 'view of him' you seem to have taken it literaly- I meant view as in thinking he was a fighter for land, rights blah blah - I still think Hone's apparent psychic ability to divine what OBL's family thinks (and in such a political way) was uncalled for.Secondly your phrase 'culturally grieve' made ME laugh out loud...I would not presume to tell him how to 'culturally grieve' but political statements made at the same time as expressing grief especaily when put into the mouths of the dead's family is surely not on .Thirdly in an ideal world capturing OBL alive would have been the preferred option but in this one very difficult,a trial would have been a focus for stirring up radical islam. But basicaly fuck him he got what he deserved - those 3000 got no trial. Lastly if you are going to suggest those two wars were for bullshit reasons tell that to the 150 000 Iraqis (including kurds) who died at the hands of the bathists not to mention the UN estimated 2 million kids many of them girls who can now go to school in Afghanistan because those medieval throwbacks the Taliban are not running the country.
No - sober as a judge,
Hmmm, an angry right wing hang em judge perhaps?
But fuck me reading your reply makes we wish I WAS drinking.
GRIN - nice come back
Firstly when I referred to his families' 'view of him' you seem to have taken it literaly- I meant view as in thinking he was a fighter for land, rights blah blah - I still think Hone's apparent psychic ability to divine what OBL's family thinks (and in such a political way) was uncalled for.
So you thought in an interview on how Maori see death and the killing of Osama Bin Laden, that it was inappropriate to talk about the family?
Ruf, i'm going to ask you a very simple question because a couple of your questions seem a bit off. have you actually seen the interview or are you only reading what the media wrote about the interview?
Secondly your phrase 'culturally grieve' made ME laugh out loud...I would not presume to tell him how to 'culturally grieve' but political statements made at the same time as expressing grief especaily when put into the mouths of the dead's family is surely not on .
I don't think Hone put words in their mouths or made a political statement, what I think is Stuff misquoted him based on a bullshit quote (Hone celebrates Osama's life to Hone celebrates life) and when they got pulled up about it re-edited their own bloody story to change the quote (I note this is currently in front of the press council) but by that time the damage was done and everyone thought Hone was supporting Osama.
Thirdly in an ideal world capturing OBL alive would have been the preferred option but in this one very difficult,a trial would have been a focus for stirring up radical islam. But basicaly fuck him he got what he deserved - those 3000 got no trial.
1: They had no interest in taking him alive, this was an assassination mission, always was.
2: A trial would have been a victory, to tell Osama and his followers that they are not revolutionaries, they are criminals who must be held account for the lives they've taken. Killing him unarmed in front of his daughter using information taken under torture has no honour in it at all.
3: That 'he got what he deserved mentality' is the exact same mentality that justified flying planes into the towers in the first place. We have laws and we have rules and the fair enforcement of all those rules laws an independent justice system is the bloody freedom and democracy that you claim you are promoting!
Lastly if you are going to suggest those two wars were for bullshit reasons tell that to the 150 000 Iraqis (including kurds) who died at the hands of the bathists not to mention the UN estimated 2 million kids many of them girls who can now go to school in Afghanistan because those medieval throwbacks the Taliban are not running the country.
I'm sorry, you are really here? Well let take the gloves off, where the fuck are the weapons of mass destruction we were lied to as the excuse to invade Iraq then Ruf? You dare justify the murder of up to a milllion civilians, where are the WMDs? It's funny how the West turned out to be the WMD isn't it?
Would these be the 150 000 Iraqis Saddam (whom the West created btw) killed in the wake of the first Gulf war? Were they the Iraqi's who agreed to over throw Saddam because America said they would back them only to find the American's walked away at the last moment? What about the half a million children who died because of western sanctions that Albright referred to as an acceptable cost? And as for attempting to justify Afghanistan as a war for feminism is just hilarious. Who knew the M16 was an instrument for gender equality ladies and gentlemen. I'm laughing so hard as I write this - so according to Ruf, we are propping up a corrupt regime in Afghanistan by handing civilians over to known state torture units all to protect women are we Ruf?
Thanks for the laugh.
I don't know if he is really dead, or not, but I hope things will get better with time. Cheers.
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