National have money for Warners, Mr Magoo and tax cuts for the rich but not for teachers
Teachers to strike as talks break down
Teacher strikes look set to carry on until the end of the year after the latest round of talks again broke down.
Hmmm, no money for teachers huh? But plenty of dosh for tax cuts that benefit the rich, plenty of dosh for a manufactured crises at the Hobbit for Warners, PLENTY of cash to bail out Mr Magoo at South Canterbury Finance and $35 million for the private education industry, but no cash for teachers?
The PPTA must know that this Government loath public education and that to roll over now would equate to Turkey's voting for an early Thanksgiving. Anne Tolley, through her deeply flawed National Standards , has shown this Government are focused at setting up a false competition model via league tables that has bugger all to do with the making our world class public education system better and has everything to do with propping up private education.
The lie-spin that National and the right wing run is that our Public education system fails Pacific Island and Maori students and so this justifies National Standards - what a joke. Professor John Hattie has pointed out our Public education system is one of the best in the world and that we can do a better job for Maori and Pacific Island by BETTER INVESTMENT into education, these National Standards will not in any way shape or form help those Maori and Pacific Island students the right wing are holding up and pretending to care about.
posted by Bomber @ 9:43 am
25 comments
25 Comments:
Considering the average teachers salary, even at a starting level, is above the average is this how you're trying convince us that they 'deserve' more?
LMAO - when teachers are considered 'rich' doesn't that tell you something about the pitifully low wages in NZ? And why are wages so low in NZ? Oh that's right, the free market right wing employment policies from National in the 1990's when they stripped unions of all their collective bargaining power.
Why should teachers receive more money than police, corrections or any or the myriad othe rpublic servants who have received less due to the fiscal situation. Teachers are taking advantage of the fact they can strike to demand more money than anyone else. Greedy.
Anon, do you have children at school? Just wondered.
Can you see that having a well educated population could perhaps empower the country and help us add value to a few things rather than continue to exploit our land (and a rainforrest or two offshore) in order to export milk powder and logs. Seems to be working quite well for Germany at the moment, despite strong unions and a welfare state.
"these National Standards will not in any way shape or form help those Maori and Pacific Island students the right wing are holding up and pretending to care about."
LOL got to laugh about your cheek you funny little man.
First I comment on Maori and pacifika education failure which you did not publish and then suddenly this turns up.
The only thing deeply flawed is your suddenly conversion to caring about how well they're doing.
Maybe you still stick with supporting your white middle class labourite counterparts in their quest to get another payrise on top of their above average income.
You are 100% right anon, I normally ignore publishing anonymous spin-lies from the right wing. The pretense that you have for those who aren't succeeding and your lie that National Standards will help Maori and Pacific Island students was very clearly disputed by Professor Hatties at his lecture on this issue last month. I was sitting 4th row from the front, where were you Anon?
"I was sitting 4th row from the front, where were you Anon?"
Probably in a lecture at law school.
Kindly put up some links where you've posted in the past on Maori and Pacifika underachievement in education.
If it takes rightwing trolls to demonstrate the sub-conscious racist middle class bias of your views then so be it. At least you've recanted somewhat even if it takes some embarassment on your part.
Oh right, so you weren't actually at the conference where Prof Hattie pointed out our public education system is one of the best in the world and that the underachievement of Maori and Pacific Island students could be solved and that National Standards weren't the answer and yet you still pretend that National Standards are?
The only one embarrassing themselves here is you anonymous right wing troll. Your need to personalize your attack on me is flattering but I'm not really interested.
National Standards WILL NOT help Maori and Pacific Island underachievement, that is a right wing spin-lie used to pretend their concern is for those students not achieving.
In my experience, being told your not very good at something from an early age does very little to encourage progress. Anon, if you're proposing that Maori and pacific Islanders are underachieving - which I'm sure they are - please explain how reinforcing that with league tables is going to help them improve?
Interestingly aamc, Hattie pointed out 'labeling' had the largest negative impact on students.
So, you tell people they're shit and they start to believe it. Hmm, amazing! I wouldn't have thought we'd need academics for that, it should be a conclusion even Anon could draw. Still, law school student, possibly knows more about that middle class bias than he's letting on? Anon??
Heh. I didn't realise that teachers were swimming in the cash. I mean, it's not like we work 12-hour days, put in fuckloads of time into preparation and sacrifice holiday time and weekends for students.
Good thing about you censoring comments Bomber is that when you refuse to publish then I know that you're lost the argument and have no retort.
Good thing about you censoring comments Bomber is that when you refuse to publish then I know that you're lost the argument and have no retort.
Silly, silly, silly Anon, I've told you I don't bother with anonymous right wing trolls spinning crap. National Standards WILL NOT help those Maori and Pacific Island students. The right wing are pretending to care about in order to get National Standards through - but okay anon, please enlighten the rest of us exactly HOW National Standards will help those Maori and Pacific Island students???
Probably in a lecture at law school?
No wonder this fuckwit wants an education system that fails Maori & Pacific Islanders.
Client base.
Law school eh?
Right winger too..
Mummy & Daddy must be loaded to put you through Law school no?
"Silly, silly, silly Anon, I've told you I don't bother with anonymous right wing trolls spinning crap. National Standards WILL NOT help those Maori and Pacific Island students."
Yes and paying teacher who earn above the average wage and already teach
BTW NZ's education system may be 'world class' but like a nation's prison system to see how good it really works what you should really be looking at is how well a treats the bottom.
Given the abysmal performance of maori and PI students then its a failure and you support their failure since you support the status quo.
Seriously, you are part of the problem not the solution.
Face it, your support is for the labourite teachers unions not the children.
Still waiting for those links Bomber.
so put up an argument Anon...
Yes and paying teacher who earn above the average wage and already teach
As I've already pointed out, that says more about the average wage than it does what Teachers are worth. You have no point here, NEXT.
BTW NZ's education system may be 'world class' but like a nation's prison system to see how good it really works what you should really be looking at is how well a treats the bottom.
This has nothing to do with the issue at hand, and national Standards DO NOT help those children you are pretending to care about. You have no point here. NEXT.
Given the abysmal performance of maori and PI students then its a failure and you support their failure since you support the status quo.
This is utter bullshit, you have no point here, NEXT.
Seriously, you are part of the problem not the solution.
This is a bullshit comment from an anonymous right wing Troll, YOU are actually the problem anon as you have yet to explain to anyone here how National standards will help these children you are pretending to care about.
Face it, your support is for the labourite teachers unions not the children.
This is just bullshit, you have no point here. NEXT
Still waiting for those links Bomber.
I have blogged numerous times on National Standards, my record is very clear, what is at stake here troll is your claim that National standards will help these chidlren you pretend to care about, nothing you have posted makes that point, so again Troll, please explain to everyone here how National Standards help those children you are pretending to care about, it should be easy to explain to us.
Why can't you explain it to us anon? Professor Hattie was very clear on how we lift the standards of Maori and Pacific Island students, why don't you explain why he is wrong about National Standards and why you are right?
"Still waiting for those links Bomber.
I have blogged numerous times on National Standards, my record is very clear, what is at stake here troll is your claim that National standards will help these chidlren you pretend to care about, nothing you have posted makes that point, so again Troll, please explain to everyone here how National Standards help those children you are pretending to care about, it should be easy to explain to us."
Oh that old trick, trying to misunderstand the question AGAIN.
Save it princess. I've had enough of you lame excuses. You've posted nothing on Maori or Pacifika underachievement and now you suddenly start blogging after a right wing troll brings it to your attention so you can pretend to *care* about minority children.
Like I said before the only thing you care about is enriching white middle class liberals working i the public sector due to their political affiliations with Labour at the expense of the taxpayer and their children.
BTW if the educational achievement of said child was your concern then how would paying teacher even more actually fix the problem when they have failed to do so in the past. Betya can't answer that question.
Oh that old trick, trying to misunderstand the question AGAIN.
Save it princess. I've had enough of you lame excuses. You've posted nothing on Maori or Pacifika underachievement and now you suddenly start blogging after a right wing troll brings it to your attention so you can pretend to *care* about minority children.
Like I said before the only thing you care about is enriching white middle class liberals working i the public sector due to their political affiliations with Labour at the expense of the taxpayer and their children.
BTW if the educational achievement of said child was your concern then how would paying teacher even more actually fix the problem when they have failed to do so in the past. Betya can't answer that question.
Oh no you don't Princess, there is no misunderstanding, explain to everyone here how National Standards will help maori and Pacific Island students that you are pretending to care about, no more 'bomber loves liberal teachers and doesn't love Maori students blah blah blah' crap, just explain how National Standards help Maori and Pacific Island students. This should be really easy, the one who is purposely misunderstanding things is you anon.
Tell us all, we are all waiting to hear you explain how National Standards help Maori and PI students, I get the feeling that you can't actually prove it to us can you Anon?
Is that because trolls have nothing more to offer than abuse?
We are all waiting anon.
still no argument Anon?
We've got a few separate issues here haven't we? Do you propose paying teachers poorly will achieve anything?
So, to lift Maori and Pacific Islanders in the education system, I would have thought we would need to invest in their education and in a more equitable place for them in society. I notice that in England where they are slashing through everything with joyful abandon, they have left education alone.
As separate issues;
-teachers and academics have concern over whether the National Standards are going to achieve what you and your mates propose they will. I notice other than slander Bomber, you haven't made one point to support this claim. How is reinforcing their place at the bottom going to help anything?
-teachers are concerned about their pay not moving with inflation. Admittedly, this is a fate befalling most people thanks to your neo-liberal, free market recession, but that doesn't justify underpaying anybody or under resourcing them, and shouldn't mean they can't complain about it. Personally, I really want my children's teachers to be highly motivated so they can have a decent chance in the world they are going to inherit.
So again, please actually post something to support your position. Or is this just an exercise in defamation?
And while your at it Anon, where did you go to school?
Good point brought up on Breakfast.
If primary school teachers strike who looks after the kids from 9am til 3pm?
Lot of employees ringing in with "Sorry boss. Cant find a Baby-sitter. Gotta stay & look after the kids til this strike is over.."
Flow on effect see..
Wonderful is'nt it?
Bet my scrot-skin baby-sitters are are praying for Primary school teachers to strike.
The demand for them would be phenomenal.
To anon at law school..
Ooooooooooooohhh Laaaaaaaw Schooooool
Tell me anon at LAW SCHOOL, Are you a DPB product?
Are you a product of a solo parent?
You must remember that people can not pick their parents..
Did your parents help you out at all?
Please tell us LAW SCHOOL STUDENT..
Dont lie now...
I'm sorry - teachers deserve so much more. Mum goes to work at 7 in the morning, comes home at 7 most nights. 12 hours. She has to contend with irate parents, a class stuffed to the brim with kids (they barely have enough desks) as well as the teachers. 12 hour day and this is excluding reports that go out twice a year. 20 students, over an hour per report AS WELL AS proofing all the other teachers'. Bearing in mind this is year one. The fundamentals of literacy and numeracy are taught here - she's taught teachers at my own school how to read and write. You'd think it's not hard. How wrong you are. Now think of the secondary school teachers. They have to deal with us bloody teenagers for chrissakes! 5 year olds don't wag, get all shirty - they're all too young and innocent to really be all that much of a bother. I say: give the teachers the pay rise. For the job they're doing, they deserve a helluva lot more. Have you ever been onto the studyit.org.nz website? They've got forums there where you ask any question related to NCEA subjects and get it answered. Submit a 1,000+ word essay? Marked with an extra couple hundred words of notes within 12 hours. For free. The dedication of these teachers is immense. And people criticise them for not working hard enough? Bollocks.
But, but, but...
John Key promised us pay-parity with Australia!!!
Did our Dear Leader fib to us???? Noooo, say it ain't so... *cries into tepid coffee*
Maybe the teachers have it all wrong. They should be making a big budget movie; get into strife with Actors Equity; and then extort, oh, say, $85 million out of the guvmint.
Good idea?
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Nah. It'll never work. Industrial disputes are never setlled in such a crazy manner.
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