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Wednesday, October 13, 2010

“Will no one rid me of this troublesome Queen?”


Carter to Labour: 'It's war'
Expelled former Labour MP Chris Carter has declared war on Labour and its leader Phil Goff, threatening to dish dirt and name those he said were involved in plotting to oust Mr Goff.

Mr Carter was booted out of the party by its ruling council on Monday night – the first such move since MP John A Lee was ousted in 1940 – despite an hour-long plea from Mr Carter laced with threats to reveal embarrassing skeletons. At one point he told the council: "I can be friend or foe. If it's foe you want, its war."

Party president Andrew Little said yesterday that Mr Carter had said things "along those lines".


Phil Goff will be asking himself, “Will no one rid me of this troublesome Queen?” The problem is that Chris has every justification in being angry with the way he was portrayed in the media as a luxury Gay boy, his travel had been signed off by Labour, he was only the 4th highest travel spending Minister, but his sense of entitlement has eroded any real support and his desire to now maximize damage to Labour while National look to privatize the entire country post 2011 is inexcusable.

The simple fact is Chris Carter tried to topple the leader in the most pathetic coup ever after being publicly spanked to firm up Goff's leadership in the minds eye of the voters, his humiliation isn't a good enough reason to destroy the Labour Party to allow National to wreck hell on the country if they win 2011.

The left should be rejoicing after the national party mouthpiece Paul Henry was sacked and the massive swing to the left in local body elections, instead we are having to deal with Chris bloody Carter again. What a sad, sad collapse of a once trailblazing Politician.

The battle is supposed to be with National instead Chris Carter is wrestling with his ego.

8 Comments:

At 13/10/10 8:32 am, Anonymous sdm said...

The problem you have is that Carter is, in essence, right. Whilst I know you have issues with polls, and the local body elections showed them to be wrong, National elections tend to be more accurate. Even if you dont think National are at 50% (I suspect its close, given Acts implosion and centre-right voters have no where else to go), there has been a consistent gap between Labour and National under Goff's leadership.

New Zealand doesnt do one term governments. Indeed since WW2, only the 2nd and 3rd labour governments have had one terms. The 2nd passed the black budget, and the third dealt with the death of Norman Kirk. My point, it takes extraordinary events for governments not to be given a second term.

This government is popular. Goff cant get any traction. The left victories in the super city will worry National, but was that a presidential win for brown (or loss for banks!) as opposed to an ideological shift? Time will tell.

Can somebody elected to Parliament 30 years ago win beat a popular PM, given NZ's history of giving a 2nd term? Bluntly, no.

But the question for Labour is, can somebody else win. I suspect that the reason the other candidates arent putting their hand up is that in their minds they have conceeded 2011, the fight is going to be 2014.

 
At 13/10/10 9:25 am, Blogger Bomber said...

Here are the counters to your position:

1: No political party who has lost Auckland has won the country - the right were bitch slapped Scot, bitch slapped in the election.

2: If ACT lose Epsom, that coalition partner is gone.

3: Rumblings within Maoridom don't bode well for them as a coalition partner for National.

4: The popularity of National have nothing to do with their policies, it's smile and wave Key up front, if his tax cuts don't make people feel better off each week the vacant aspiration evaporates.

5: I'm not sure if you have noticed Scott, but the economy is about to meltdown, Key's optimism starts looking like he is detached from reality.

6: Winston's economic nationalism will gain him over 6% of the vote, minus ACT and with the Maori Party ready to jump waka, how exactly do you think National will govern? Only the most deluded right winger would believe the Government will win over 50% of the vote.

2011 is on, but I want you right wingers believing it will be a romp, you made that mistake in Auckland. Scott can you please email John Key and beg him to keep Michelle Boag on as a campaign manager.

 
At 13/10/10 11:29 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Depends on how you view the right - limited solely to an unlikeable candidate like Banks, where does Colin Craig sit politically? JK is likeable, JB ain't. Mayor of Auckland is a pretty fickle post, and has changed hands despite the prevailing National and Auckland voting pattern in the past - both Fletcher and Banks (1st time) were elected when the right was reeling nationally.

2. Who says ACT will, if they are polling at 2 - 2.5% come election time the voters of Epsom are smart enough to do the maths..

3. True. I've thought for a long time that this will be a lot closer than it looks, even if you take the polls at face value. Labour, The Progressives and The Greens didn't have enough votes to win the 2002 "landslide" election alone..they needed Mr Worm. Mr Worm isn't a natural fit but did the smart thing for the good of the country and stable government (a la The Lib Dems). The Maori Party are the great enigma, wouldn't be surprised if they didn't fracture over it. Mana enhancing is going to be far more relevant next time around (good thing too.)

4. Key v Goff, leaders debate..ouch.

5. What will Goff offer to do differently. Key has thus far dodged blame for the economy. What major policies can either party implement that will kick start the economy. You've got Red Ed in the UK arguing against fiscal tightening, so it's hardly an issue of left v right. Lower tax and slow movement to fiscal re-balance, to avoid a "1990s Japan style" slip into stagnation is pretty much the accepted norm at present.

What is Goff going to offer "the middle classes" already under strain from economic pain, tax and spend? They rejected that under a far more able mouth piece at the last election.

6. Big call, 6%! I agree Winston is the key, but who is he going to steal voters from - solely National? Or disgruntled Labour voters who can't bring themselves to turn fully? He failed to get 5% despite being in Parliament. National tarred Labour with Winston last time around..how much has changed?

I've always thought it's going to be a close run thing, but rest assured a Labour-Greens-NZ First-Maori Party set up ain't going to perform economic miracles.

The longer Chris Carter rages the better, looking forward to this "WAR!!!" he has declared.

 
At 13/10/10 11:32 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Depends on how you view the "right" - limited solely to an unlikeable candidate like Banks, where does Colin Craig sit politically? JK is likeable, JB ain't. Putting that to one side, Auckland's Mayor has often been of a different politcal hue, and seperate from the prevailing national trends - both Chris Fletcher and Banks (1st time) got elected when the right were on their knees and divided nationally, bit of a long bow to draw imho.

2. Who says ACT will, if they are polling at 2 - 2.5% come election time the voters of Epsom are smart enough to do the maths..

3. True. I've thought for a long time that this will be a lot closer than it looks, even if you take the polls at face value. Labour, The Progressives and The Greens didn't have enough votes to win the 2002 "landslide" election alone..they needed Mr Worm. Mr Worm isn't a natural fit but did the smart thing for the good of the country and stable government (a la The Lib Dems). The Maori Party are the great enigma, wouldn't be surprised if they didn't fracture over it. Mana enhancing is going to be far more relevant next time around (good thing too.)

4. Key v Goff, leaders debate..ouch.

5. What will Goff offer to do differently. Key has thus far dodged blame for the economy. What major policies can either party implement that will kick start the economy. You've got Red Ed in the UK arguing against fiscal tightening, so it's hardly an issue of left v right. Lower tax and slow movement to fiscal re-balance, to avoid a "1990s Japan style" slip into stagnation is pretty much the accepted norm at present.

What is Goff going to offer "the middle classes" already under strain from economic pain, tax and spend? They rejected that under a far more able mouth piece at the last election.

6. Big call, 6%! I agree Winston is the key, but who is he going to steal voters from - solely National? Or disgruntled Labour voters who can't bring themselves to turn fully? He failed to get 5% despite being in Parliament. National tarred Labour with Winston last time around..how much has changed?

I've always thought it's going to be a close run thing, but rest assured a Labour-Greens-NZ First-Maori Party set up ain't going to perform economic miracles.

The longer Chris Carter rages the better, looking forward to this "WAR!!!" he has declared.

 
At 13/10/10 11:32 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Depends on how you view the "right" - limited solely to an unlikeable candidate like Banks, where does Colin Craig sit politically? JK is likeable, JB ain't. Putting that to one side, Auckland's Mayor has often been of a different politcal hue, and seperate from the prevailing national trends - both Chris Fletcher and Banks (1st time) got elected when the right were on their knees and divided nationally, bit of a long bow to draw imho.

2. Who says ACT will, if they are polling at 2 - 2.5% come election time the voters of Epsom are smart enough to do the maths..

3. True. I've thought for a long time that this will be a lot closer than it looks, even if you take the polls at face value. Labour, The Progressives and The Greens didn't have enough votes to win the 2002 "landslide" election alone..they needed Mr Worm. Mr Worm isn't a natural fit but did the smart thing for the good of the country and stable government (a la The Lib Dems). The Maori Party are the great enigma, wouldn't be surprised if they didn't fracture over it. Mana enhancing is going to be far more relevant next time around (good thing too.)

4. Key v Goff, leaders debate..ouch.

5. What will Goff offer to do differently. Key has thus far dodged blame for the economy. What major policies can either party implement that will kick start the economy. You've got Red Ed in the UK arguing against fiscal tightening, so it's hardly an issue of left v right. Lower tax and slow movement to fiscal re-balance, to avoid a "1990s Japan style" slip into stagnation is pretty much the accepted norm at present.

What is Goff going to offer "the middle classes" already under strain from economic pain, tax and spend? They rejected that under a far more able mouth piece at the last election.

6. Big call, 6%! I agree Winston is the key, but who is he going to steal voters from - solely National? Or disgruntled Labour voters who can't bring themselves to turn fully? He failed to get 5% despite being in Parliament. National tarred Labour with Winston last time around..how much has changed?

I've always thought it's going to be a close run thing, but rest assured a Labour-Greens-NZ First-Maori Party set up ain't going to perform economic miracles.

The longer Chris Carter rages the better, looking forward to this "WAR!!!" he has declared.

 
At 13/10/10 11:33 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Depends on how you view the "right" - limited solely to an unlikeable candidate like Banks, where does Colin Craig sit politically? JK is likeable, JB ain't. Putting that to one side, Auckland's Mayor has often been of a different politcal hue, and seperate from the prevailing national trends - both Chris Fletcher and Banks (1st time) got elected when the right were on their knees and divided nationally, bit of a long bow to draw imho.

2. Who says ACT will, if they are polling at 2 - 2.5% come election time the voters of Epsom are smart enough to do the maths..

3. True. I've thought for a long time that this will be a lot closer than it looks, even if you take the polls at face value. Labour, The Progressives and The Greens didn't have enough votes to win the 2002 "landslide" election alone..they needed Mr Worm. Mr Worm isn't a natural fit but did the smart thing for the good of the country and stable government (a la The Lib Dems). The Maori Party are the great enigma, wouldn't be surprised if they didn't fracture over it. Mana enhancing is going to be far more relevant next time around (good thing too.)

 
At 13/10/10 11:34 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

4. Key v Goff, leaders debate..ouch.

5. What will Goff offer to do differently. Key has thus far dodged blame for the economy. What major policies can either party implement that will kick start the economy. You've got Red Ed in the UK arguing against fiscal tightening, so it's hardly an issue of left v right. Lower tax and slow movement to fiscal re-balance, to avoid a "1990s Japan style" slip into stagnation is pretty much the accepted norm at present.

What is Goff going to offer "the middle classes" already under strain from economic pain, tax and spend? They rejected that under a far more able mouth piece at the last election.

6. Big call, 6%! I agree Winston is the key, but who is he going to steal voters from - solely National? Or disgruntled Labour voters who can't bring themselves to turn fully? He failed to get 5% despite being in Parliament. National tarred Labour with Winston last time around..how much has changed?

I've always thought it's going to be a close run thing, but rest assured a Labour-Greens-NZ First-Maori Party set up ain't going to perform economic miracles.

The longer Chris Carter rages the better, looking forward to this "WAR!!!" he has declared.

 
At 15/10/10 9:46 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phil Goff will be asking himself, “Will no one rid me of this troublesome Queen?” The problem is that Chris has every justification in being angry with the way he was portrayed in the media as a luxury Gay boy, his travel had been signed off by Labour, he was only the 4th highest travel spending Minister, but his sense of entitlement has eroded any real support and his desire to now maximize damage to Labour while National look to privatize the entire country post 2011 is inexcusable.

The simple fact is Chris Carter tried to topple the leader in the most pathetic coup ever after being publicly spanked to firm up Goff's leadership in the minds eye of the voters, his humiliation isn't a good enough reason to destroy the Labour Party to allow National to wreck hell on the country if they win 2011.

The left should be rejoicing after the national party mouthpiece Paul Henry was sacked and the massive swing to the left in local body elections, instead we are having to deal with Chris bloody Carter again. What a sad, sad collapse of a once trailblazing Politician.

The battle is supposed to be with National instead Chris Carter is wrestling with his ego.


One of the best bits I've read on here in terms of summing up the situation...Carter beggars belief. Would have been very interesting to see how H1 would have handled this situation if she had stayed on as leader. Balancing the need to appear to come down on Carter in an era of austerity..against the obviously unfair luxury "gay boy" innuendo going around.

Probably not a bad time for Key to come out and gently tell the media off for their unfair portrayal of him, just to stir the pot a bit more.

 

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