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Wednesday, August 04, 2010

First NZ death in Afghanistan

NZ soldier killed in Bamyan
LATEST: A New Zealand soldier has been killed in an attack while on patrol in Bamyan in Afghanistan, the Defence Force says. Two others have been wounded and a local interpreter in the patrol was also injured. The NZDF said they are informing next of kin. The soldier who was killed and the three wounded were part of the New Zealand Provincial Reconstruction Team patrol.

Let's be very, very, very honest - we are bloody lucky that we have been in Afghanistan for this period of time and have only lost one life, which we should be thankful for because if there is anything the wikileaks 90 000 leaked documents show, Afghanistan is a basket case.

We should never ask our soldiers to put their lives at risk unless it is absolutely necessary and one really has to start asking questions about what on earth we are still doing in Afghanistan, is our presence causing more violence than if we weren't there?

Those wider questions are for tomorrow because today NZ has to bury another son who fought at the request of our Government and who died not sure what they lost their life for, just as we always have in the wars we get ourselves sucked into.

"At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remember them."


At 4/8/10 8:49 am, Blogger Eure said...

It was only a matter of time before Afghanis recognised there was more to NZ's presence in Afghanistan than the seemingly 'user friendly' Provincial Reconstruction Teams. The decision to send SAS assassins back in, made an attack on NZ forces inevitable. I realise all the colonel blimps are going to splutter at the description of sas as assassins, but that is what they are. Anyone in any doubt about what so called 'special forces' are up to in Afghanistan needs to read the wikileaks diaries on "Force 373' one of the amerikan groups.
Force 373 has assassinated nearly 2000 afghanis for the crime of being on a special list called the JPEL (Joint Prioritised Effects List). Many of those who have been murdered were with their families at the time, natch they also got 'smoked'. Nice eh. Especially when you consider how many were on the list just because the informant had to come up with a name to keep him/herself off the list.
This is exactly the same shit the amerikans pulled in Vietnam with Phoenix progam. It got nowhere there just as it won't in Afghanistan.
A good percentage of Afghanis aren't keen on the mainly Pashtun Taliban, but they like the foreign troops who shoot up children, wedding parties, whatever get in their way, a whole lot less. Hence the increasing support for Afghani resistance fighters.

At 4/8/10 10:58 am, Anonymous AAMC said...

Any Westerner in a uniform with a gun is an occupier from the perspective o the Afghans, I doubt very much that they though, hey there are some Kiwi soldiers, let's shoot at them cause of their SAS. July saw the US loose more lives than at any other poit in the nearly decade long war, it's a farce, and as you say Bomber, a mirical this is the first. A very sad loss of life, as are the 6000 Afghan civilian lives that have been lost this year.

At 4/8/10 1:36 pm, Anonymous Armchair warrior said...

Huge arrogant assumption to say the soldier didnt know what he was losing his life for. As a member of the reconstruction team I'm sure he knew what good he was doing there and the potential that Afghanistan has if it is not left to slide back into the dark ages with the Taliban.

At 4/8/10 2:14 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remember them."


At 4/8/10 4:29 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fk him. he shouldn't be there in the first place

At 4/8/10 5:06 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...



At 4/8/10 5:22 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey man, it is sad, but then you are there as a member of an occupying force. Afghans have never hurt New Zealanders, have never invaded the West, and now they are subject to all sorts of terror on a daily basis by the US led coalition of that NZ is willingly a part of, and this soldier was willingly a part of.

To the Afghans, NZ soldiers are invaders and will view these soldiers in the same way that the Chinese once viewed british and japanese troops, the dutch and french once viewed German troops, and the Palestinians currently view Israeli troops.

And I'm sure NZrs would not be happy if this place was run by troops from Afghanistan, no matter the occassional reconstructed house or school. In fact it would be unimaginable.

But what would be unimaginable and unacceptable to NZrs, we should not impose the same on others.

Still sad, but that's the deal. Yeah I feel sorry for his parents. But if you go with a gun to a foreign land shooting at people who have never done anything to harm you, don't be surprised when they shoot back.

At 4/8/10 6:07 pm, Anonymous Bosco said...

"To the Afghans, NZ soldiers are invaders and will view these soldiers in the same way that the Chinese once viewed british and japanese troops"

You have no clue about what your talking about. Afghans have a completely different view of N.Z forces who are there as an almost entirely reconstructive role helping build back what the U.S and Taliban have destroyed.

Get a clue, I doubt this guy had ever fired a single bullet at even the Taliban over there let alone an innocent civilian. Just show a bit of respect, or inform yourself, which is impossible for ignorant cunts like yourself who form the strongest opinions on the least amount of evidence, so just stick to the former.

At 4/8/10 6:53 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually Bosco I suggest you inform yourself.

He was in a fire-fight a just few weeks ago.

Afghans don't even know where NZ is let alone what role they are playing. The fact of the matter is, NZ is there to help USA terrorize the country.

It would be naive of you to think our forces are not over there killing people.

Everyone wants to get a gun and go play army in the desert but it's the civilians who end up being slaughtered.

At 4/8/10 8:22 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then we should not be in any hurry to get out of Afghanistan today, according to the pro-military pundits on the airwaves with ties to the military way of life. As Paul Buchanan mentions in the recent Listener magazine article we should not have eschewed at the highest level quite rashly our closest allies requests for 50 more troops to train Afghan forces, as a sure-fire exit strategy eventually. Bamiyan. They were due to withdraw the bulk of the troops next month, another broken promise from the civilian leadership selling them out!

At 5/8/10 9:38 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nah, the Nzers who are over in Afghanistan as part of the invasion and occupation forces need to be killed like all the other invaders.

Thats what happens when you are part of the Exxon-BP-Shell-Halliburton Corporate Army.

Bullet in the head.

At 5/8/10 1:12 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You need a bullet in the head.

At 5/8/10 8:16 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There certainly would be a queue to do that.

At 6/8/10 9:43 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That NZ foreign invader who was killed by the Afghan resistance is just as expendable as the rest of them. We should quickly forget him and replace him with more expendable pawns from the working classes. You will not have any children of the top 2% going to Afghanistan to be "expended"

At 6/8/10 8:53 pm, Anonymous anonymouse said...

Maybe we could send you over anon? You would definately meet the criteria of being expendable.

At 6/8/10 11:52 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know The hell where youth and laughter go."
from "Suicide in the Trenches"

was written by the war poet Siefried Sassoon an answer to

""At the going down of the sun..."


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