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Saturday, July 03, 2010

More Panda Pandering Diplomacy

MP's pro-China blog appals Tibet's friends
Labour's Chinese MP, Raymond Huo, is facing fierce criticism for defending Chinese rule over Tibet on a Labour Party website. Criticising Green Party co-leader Russel Norman's Tibetan flag protest in front of visiting Chinese Vice-President Xi Jinping, Mr Huo wrote: "What Westerners do not know, or do not want to know ... is what level of cruelty the theocratic serfdom under the Dalai Lama had to offer."

What? National AND Labour have sold to China? First John Key is apologizing to the Chinese for assaulting Russel Norman, and now Raymond Huo is defending the invasion of Tibet because it's feudalism was intolerable??? Yeah, see I don't think pre-emptive war for One Party harmony is any more defensible than pre-emptive war for freedom and democracy.

China using human rights as their excuse to perpetrate human rights is almost American in its arrogance.


At 4/7/10 6:24 am, Blogger Wayne said...

I also think it is wrongheaded and counterproductive for the Chinese to continually raise the truth about old Tibet and all its feudal horrors. They in themselves would not justify China's claim to Tibet.

Rather China should just stick to the fact that under international law, China has more right to Tibet than the US has to say, California or Texas.

They should also say this:

Tibetans are about 80 to 90% of the population of Tibet, even now. Maori are about 13 to 15% of the population of NZ. Indigenous Australians and Americans are about 1 to 2% of the populations of their respective lands.

When all non-indigenous people (especially European – as they are the ones whining the most about Tibet) leave the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand and go ‘home’ to whichever part of Europe they came from, then maybe, just maybe, China will give up Tibet. But not before.

This is just about impossible for any arrogant whining white person to respond to.

I have tried before with some 'Free tibet' idiots. It leaves them mouths agape, and they look as if they have been hit by a truck.

And in a sense they have been - a truckload of truth.

In a sense they have -

At 4/7/10 8:00 am, Blogger Bomber said...

I have tried before with some 'Free tibet' idiots. It leaves them mouths agape, and they look as if they have been hit by a truck

Oh Wayne, we always have that look on our face when you attempt to justify and apologize for China's appalling human rights record, that 'mouth agape' look is the only way intelligent people can respond to your apologist position.

And don't start on another attack on America's record, I've made plenty of them myself. I'm not comparing America to China, I'm talking about China. Perhaps you need to stop being so one party state blinkered and open your mind a little. The NZ experience of a liberal progressive democracy isn't just here for you to expand economically, it's also to learn some of the important ideas we cherish here as well.

As for your 'facts' about Tibet, I think The Central Tibetan Administration may have a very different interpretation of what is happening there than you have regurgitated from the Dear Leaders One Party Manifesto.

At 4/7/10 8:53 am, Blogger Wayne said...

The NZ experience of a liberal progressive democracy isn't just here for you to expand economically, it's also to learn some of the important ideas we cherish here as well.

Just patronizing drivel. People from all over the world move to other places - mainly for economic reasons.

The system that suits New Zealand would not suit China. When I am in China I follow the rules there. When in New Zealand I follow the rules here. Simple.

Of course this so called 'liberal progressive' democracy has been tried in India - a country which lags way behind China in almost every important indicator - life expectancy, women's literacy, infant malnutrition, and per capita GDP.

And then of course we have great examples of how 'liberal progressive' democracy works in South Africa - which is a pest-hole of crime, disease, and ignorance.

Nope. Give me a stable authoritarian government anyday - over India, South Africa, Kenya, Thailand.

And it is also funny how the Philliipines -the most West leaning, 'democratic', 'free' place in authoritaran SE Asia (at least compared to Singapore and Malaysia) is also the place with the least economic growth in all of SE Asia, and the worst living conditions for its people in all of SE Asia.

At 4/7/10 9:06 am, Blogger Wayne said...

My position on Tibet has nothing to do with the communist party. It is a Chinese position. Not a party specific position.

In fact the Taiwan government (who call themselves Republic of China) hold that not only does Tibet belong to China, but all of the now independent Mongolia as well.

In fact the Americans explicitly recognized Chinese sovereignty over Tibet in 1942, when China was ruled by the Guomindang (the same party which rules in Taiwan now - with the same flag).

This was of course eight years before the so-called 'invasion' of 1950.

For your information (from the US State Department):

“The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereinafter referred to as “Tibet”) as part of the People’s Republic of China. This longstanding policy is consistent with the view of the entire international community, including all China’s neighbors: no country recognizes Tibet as a sovereign state. Moreover, U.S. acceptance of China’s claim of sovereignty over Tibet predates the establishment of the People’s Republic of China. In 1942, we told the Nationalist Chinese government then headquartered in Chongqing (Chungking) that we had “at no time raised (a) question” over Chinese claims to Tibet. Because we do not recognize Tibet as an independent state, the United States does not conduct diplomatic relations with the representatives of Tibetans in exile.”

Bomber: If Tibet is not a part of China, is occupied territory - why does every single nation in the world (including NZ) support China's sovereign right to Tibet?


At 4/7/10 10:29 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dont knock china when us white colonists are still living in our stolen land made empty for us by genocide and ethnice cleansing. if we want china to fuck off out of tibet we should fuck off back to mother UK

At 5/7/10 6:40 am, Blogger Bomber said...


LOL - because if we don't, your friends from Beijing assault us, ask Russel Norman.

At 6/7/10 9:48 pm, Anonymous buried said...

Good on him for saying it. I actually found it pretty informative, especially that bit about Llamas mating lying down.


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