Mr Goff - I don't want to pay for Shane Jones' orgasm
I don't care that Politician's have spent my money on booze, or massages or food. I accept the job is much more stressful than the Public pretend, and I accept that part of being a politician is socializing so attacks on Chris Carter for his massages, Jim Anderton for his travel, Tim Grosser for his booze and Parekura Horomia for his food are just unfair and petty.
Shane Jones however is a different story. I have a problem paying for his orgasms. Let's be clear, this is not a moral issue, I don't have a problem with him watching porn, what an adult does in the privacy of their own hotel room watching porn between barely legal consenting adults is not my concern or anyone elses, but I'm damned if I should be billed for Shane's sexual release, I just don't see that as part of my taxpayer obligation towards an elected representative. It's not like Shane wasn't warned about the spending, and if he wanted to watch porn, he should have paid for it off his own credit card.
If it had been 1 porno, I would have rolled my eyes. Two pornos, 'Mate you are pushing our good will'. 19 pornos! WTF? Who the bloody hell pays $19.99 for b-grade no money shot hotel porn these days? If I wasn't so shocked at having to pay for his orgasms, I'd be disappointed at what he was purchasing!
Mr Goff, you have to sack Shane from his positions and throw him all the way down to the bottom of the Party list within Parliament, if he wants to redeem himself, and everyone deserves the chance in our society to work towards their redemption then he has to earn it from the bottom. And yes, 'Earn it from the bottom' was actually one of the titles of the porn Shane watched.
If Phil wants to show real leadership here and tell NZ that the Labour Party under him will demand a higher level of personal responsibility, then Shane Jones is the perfect example.
Mr Goff, the floor is yours.
PS - Come on, get Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson into the shadow Cabinet!
PPS - Actually you have 3 positions with the retirement of the Gentleman's assassin, Pete Hodgson, put David Shearer in as well!
posted by Bomber @ 12:34 pm
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I think it was for 50 pornos altogether and more importantly how would you know if they had no money shot in them and what difference could this possibly make?
Yeah he can blow his load all he wants on official trips but not on my dime. What was he thinking. Never put porn on the company/governmental card. You get special cards for this stuff. Stoopid - stoopid - stoopid.
But lets face it Bomber - these trough feeding mother f*ckers have been doing us the chuff for years. Hmmm with all this distraction are National trying to secret some new laws into place?
I must be reading the wrong papers Bomber. As far as I can see, Jones reimbursed the public purse for all his personal expenses years ago.
One has to wonder at the $50,000 it has reputedly cost to audit these expenses and to find that yes, MP's had used the card for a few hundred dollars worth of personal expenses - then repaid them well before being called to account.
This is a big win for National. They bagged their most feared opposition member, one of the few in the Labour caucus with the ability to cross the political divide at the same time diverting attention from the $209,000 Nick Smith's big and ill-informed mouth cost the taxpayer and Bill English's double Dipton rort.
The pity of it is that Jones was not keen on the leadership. A source close to him tells me he was more interested in the Education portfolio. Apparently he feels that youth are not as well educated in History and Civil Society issues as his generation and therefore less able to make good political judgments.
I happen to agree with this assessment and regret that Education is one portfolio he will never now be offered, no matter how he rehabilitates his reputation.
It seems, from the blogs, that most agree that watching adult movies is not the problem. If indeed there has been no element of fraud in the financial aspect of this scandal, what do you think Goff should do?
Hear hear, Brewerstroupe.
Bomber I generally admire your intelligence and perception but honest mate, get of your high horse on this one.
English ripped off the taxpayer for a hell of alot more $>> what was done to him?? NOTHING
what was done to hyde when he took his slapper on tour??NOTHING
they only apologized AFTER they got caught and paid the $ back
Jones paid the $ back as soon as he returned :)
Nats have only done this to take the heat of all their state asset sales and you know it to be so
If you book into a hotel as a MP- and use your card to do so- of course what you use will be AUTOMATICALLY to said CC
I am not defending Jones- he had shit show in hell of becoming leader
Bring on Cunliffe
I must be reading the wrong papers Bomber. As far as I can see, Jones reimbursed the public purse for all his personal expenses years ago.
Sigh.
Brewer, those ministerial cards were specifically NOT to be used for private use.
The Ministers knew this, and signed a consent form agreeing to this.
One has to wonder at the $50,000 it has reputedly cost to audit these expenses
Financial imperatives before integrity brewer?
Really?
They bagged their most feared opposition member
Bullshit.
Shane Jones bagged himself, as he has admitted.
Don't shoot the messenger/s Brewer.
Hear hear, Brewerstroupe.
Bomber I generally admire your intelligence and perception but honest mate, get of your high horse on this one.
Eve, why don't you brush up on the law regarding these ministerial cards before you mouth off.
So after Phil Heatley was found (in a regular audit) to have spent $1402 of taxpayers' money wrongly,
somebody put in a FOI request for all the records (already audited) going back to 2003. It is not difficult to work out who or why:
"Allen Walley told NZPA the cost of the release was in excess of $50,000 and three staff had worked full-time on it since requests came in February, when the first release of credit card records for the National Government were made public."
And what did they find? The strict interpretation of a rule had been broken yet all the money had been reimbursed. In other words, a petty breach with no consequences for the taxpayer and a wonderful prurient political haul. Cost to the taxpayer - 50 grand. Money saved - 0.
Now if the rule had not been explicit to Phil Heatley (who did not pay the money back until caught yet was swiftly reinstated) I can excuse the rest for believing that using the card for personal incidentals was OK so long as they reconciled at the end of the period. This is the moral analysis.
The political reality is altogether different. It is a huge win for National on the public dime.
Fair enough, that is how the game is played these days. It is, nonetheless, unfortunate that soft-brained pettifoggers like the anonymous poster above always buy into it.
Those who expect their representatives to adhere to standards far beyond their own will be ruled by liars.
BTW.
Are you the same anonymous poster who alleged 50 movies?
It is all over the press that there were 19 possibly adult movies during a 3 year period.
I agree with Brewerstroupe Bomber. Your post is out of line, the headline infers that Jone did not reimburse any money, and in fact he did so.
LOL
So now Bomber is complaining about govnt spending.
Well boyo suck it up cos that what we have to all do when with beloved dole bludgers.
Jesus Anon, if you are going to make witty comments, they have to at least be understandable - what the bloody hell does...
Well boyo suck it up cos that what we have to all do when with beloved dole bludgers.
...mean?
I'm pretty sure we are talking 19 pornos and not 50, when Shane was first asked if the movies he watched were adult he said "He was a movie buff, he didn't watch buff movies" - then he had to admit that the films were indeed adult ones. Lying first doesn't make his case to stay in the shadow Cabinet any stronger.
Got to admit he was wrong-footed at the outset but I'm human enough to admit that if I was in his situation I'd probably have tried a bluff.
I'm not sure where the "buff movies" quote came from. I heard the item on Morning Report. Sean got him with "were they pornographic". Shane said he didn't know, it was years ago and, as you can guess, it was all over for him.
In retrospect, it may have been a genuine "I don't know". Shane is smart enough to know that he had just fessed up to watching sex movies. He may well have been racking his brains as to whether he'd done so during the period under examination.
Nothing Jones has done is illegal, unethical or offends a common moral standard.
An interest in sexual images is considered normal in your average rugby loving kiwi male (and many women also) but it is unacceptable in a public figure.
Why?
Because of a double standard that pervades a hypocritical society.
The image of a "porn-addict" is not a pretty one. I'd suggest however that the "Playboy Channel" type movies that are available in swanky hotels are not the preferred viewing of such people. If Jones were indeed of that ilk, it would be stronger stuff he would crave - which is available on the internet. In fact, his channeling of soft-core hotel movies indicates a somewhat quaint and naive interest.
What about Chris Carter's 'massages' in Cambodia totalling $157.
Most people there live on about $2 per days so whatever 'happy ending' he got out if it I hope it was worth the gratification.
"Nothing Jones has done is illegal, unethical or offends a common moral standard."
Considering you're a supporter of Iran and Hamas Brewer you may want to rethink that statement.
Forget Jacinda for now, she is too green... too new outta student politics and isn't ready for it yet. I'm not saying she isn't on track, just not yet. Shearer and Robertson are my choices. Chauvel comes across too whiney and he wasn't a very good lawyer when he represented me.
Porn-addicts.
Drug-dealers.
Drug addicts.
Liars.
National & Labour are as bad as each other.
Hope the Police get their political party up & running soon.
Because everyone knows the Police are trustworthy.
Sigh.
And what did they find? The strict interpretation of a rule had been broken
Sigh.
It is a "rule" that if you break it you can be imprisoned for up to one year.
So, not just a simple rule broken, huh, defender of hypocrisy brewer?
Fair enough, that is how the game is played these days. It is, nonetheless, unfortunate that soft-brained pettifoggers like the anonymous poster above always buy into it.
Actually brewer, these are serious offenses, and every single politician who broke the rules should be punished.
For some reason, you think it is ok for Labour MP's to break the law, because either National did it, or because National come out of it looking better.
You are an ideologist, with no integrity or ethics.
Those who expect their representatives to adhere to standards far beyond their own will be ruled by liars.
I am not a thief brewer, and I expect my Politicians not to be thieves either.
Are you happy to be governed by thieves, as long as they are politically of your persuasion brewer?
BTW.
Are you the same anonymous poster who alleged 50 movies?
It is all over the press that there were 19 possibly adult movies during a 3 year period
Nope.
But apparently you are the poster who sees a little bit of theft as ok.
Nothing Jones has done is illegal, unethical or offends a common moral standard.
Just stop with the Rovian spin brewer, no one is buying it.
Shane Jones breached parliamentary guidelines in regards to his use of his credit card.
He broke the law.
He was unethical.
No one cares about what he was watching.
We are concerned about how he paid for it.
Do keep up.
Keep spinning brewer, but the truth wills out.
Brewer, go and read Graeme Edgeler over at Public Address.
He spells it out in legal terms just how they broke the law.
You can argue Graeme's political persusion to try and let the Labour MP's off, but most of us see what ALL MP's have done is theft, plain and simple.
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