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Monday, May 31, 2010

Israel attack aid flotilla in International Waters - killing 15

Israel have attacked the aid flotilla in International waters with 15 being reported dead



Here is Israel's response...

"We did not attack any boat, we merely fulfill the Israeli government's decision to prevent anyone from going into the Gaza strip without coordinating with Israel," a statement from the Israeli military said. "The flotilla is a provocation made to de-legitimize Israel."

...the response from the Global Community must be out right disgust at this behaviour by Israel.

40 Comments:

At 31/5/10 6:42 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bomber - that's just SOOOO insignificant compared with the media's preoccupation with Kohn Key's balls!.
I've just witnessed a One Network News Bulletin.
Taking Head and ex partner of someone that's appeared in media (on the basis she MAY just be a dyke) whatever-his-frikken-name-is, just told us all how John key admitted to having a vasectomy.
WHEN a reporter had gathered his or her "composure" they asked a question about "deep sea oil"
Do you think we were given John Key's answer?
NO....just the smug little grin from the talking head - more concerned about John Key's functioning balls quite obviously than he was about the issues one might include in a news "bulletin"

Thank Christ though that John's balls are curtailed

 
At 31/5/10 6:44 pm, Anonymous Informed Observer said...

I note you ignore the links between the "aid" boat and Hamas

 
At 31/5/10 8:10 pm, Blogger JonL said...

"...the response from the Global Community must be out right disgust at this behaviour by Israel."...but it probably won't be......the west will fall over itself justifying Israels stand. If the Israelis can get away with sinking a US spyship in international waters ( the USS Liberty in 1967), it can get away with anything!

 
At 31/5/10 8:26 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Zionist Entity strikes back.

 
At 31/5/10 8:43 pm, Anonymous AAMC said...

Yeah I love the way they are justifying the fact that they shot - at current estimates 19 people - as a result of being assaulted buy the activists, I would have thought arriving via rope from a helicopter with a machine gun was more likely the cause of the escalation of violence, hard to be assaulted with a metal bar or a knife if you haven't raided the boat. And of coarse the BBC was pretty quick to swallow the Israeli spin.

 
At 31/5/10 8:50 pm, Blogger Christian said...

THE PRAXIS.

ARMED WITH LIVE AMMUNITION THEY CONFRONTED THOSE ON BOARD WITH SHARP OBJECTS.OTHER NEWS ORGANISATIONS COUNT DEATHS ELSEWHERE AS A PART OF OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM LIKE THIS IS AND WHICH INCLUDES OPERATIONS IN THE PHILLIPINES AND THE HORN OF AFRICA AND GUANTANOMO BAY IN CUBA.

NOT WITH THE INTENTION OF IMPROVING THE LIFE WE LIVE IN COMMON WITH THE GAZAN'S SO THAT THEIR FUTURE SHALL BE BETTER THAN THE PAST.

REFLECTION ON EXPERIENCE COULD YIELD TO EITHER MORE EXTENSIVE AND USELESS THEORISING WHILE THEORY ALONE IS A MERE VERBAL FORMULA OR A SET OF CATCHWORDS THAT OBSCURES CRITICAL THINKING.THEORY BASED ACTION OR ACTION BASED THEORISING LEADS TO THE PRAXIS.THE NOTION OF PRAXIS REFLECTIVE ACTION COULD BE UNDERSTOOD AS 'THE DIFFEREND'.

OR 'INCREDULITY TO META-NARRATIVES' LIKE "THE HOLY LAND".

THIS NOTION OF THEORISING PRACTICE AND THEORISING THEORY.

 
At 31/5/10 9:05 pm, Blogger peterquixote said...

the Gaza strip is Israeli territory, and Israel is preventing activists going into this territory.
If I was a terrorist antagonistic to NZ I would expect to be detained maybe even shot on entering enemy NZ territory.

 
At 31/5/10 9:07 pm, Blogger Christian said...

The gazans cannot survive unchanged within this general context of surviving changes in the media and the news and transport or freedom or the lack of it movement.We can safely predict that anyone within this constituted 'body of knowledge' cannot survive much longer if it is not translatable in this way and will probably be abandoned as a lost cause.

KNOWLEDGE (OF LIFE FOR A PALESTINIAN) IS AND WILL BE PRODUCED IN ORDER TO BE SOLD , IT IS AND WILL BE CONSUMED IN ORDER TO BE VALORISED IN A NEW PRODUCTION; IN BOTH CASES THE GOAL IS EXCHANGE.

KNOWLEDGE CEASES TO BE AN END IN ITSELF, IT LOSES ITS USE VALUE.

 
At 31/5/10 9:13 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah right AAMC and since you were there then this enables you have some kind of tactical insight on the situation.

Piss off with you're idle speculation.

If the activists did attack the Israelis and attempted to seize their weapons then we'll be able to see it.

There were numerous members of the media on board so no doubt we'll be seeing footage of a action.

 
At 31/5/10 9:16 pm, Anonymous Informed Observer said...

No its not spin. These boats had links to Hamas and were designed to test the Israeli nerve. Given the militarisaton of Syria, Israel needs to stand tall at this time.

 
At 31/5/10 9:44 pm, Blogger Brewerstroupe said...

Share your thoughts with Murray McCully:
http://www.mccully.co.nz/email_w.html

Its a link.

 
At 31/5/10 9:50 pm, Anonymous travellerev said...

Christian,

WHY DO YOU HAVE TO YELL SO LOUD?

I still don't understand a word of what you are saying. Try again in a softer voice why don't you

 
At 31/5/10 9:53 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israel's actions are simply that of state-backed PIRACY.

"The flotilla is a provocation made to de-legitimize Israel"? Frankly, Israel's doing enough to de-legitimise itself without any help from anyone else...

 
At 31/5/10 10:13 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The great state of Israel should have fired at the life boats making them useless. Then sunk the boats traveling to Gaza which were providing aid Palestinians (Terrorist

 
At 31/5/10 10:17 pm, Blogger Christian said...

where is me last post?

i've forgotten wot i said!

 
At 31/5/10 11:20 pm, Anonymous fatty said...

"The great state of Israel should have fired at the life boats making them useless. Then sunk the boats traveling to Gaza which were providing aid Palestinians (Terrorist"

Did you realise where your post was heading and then just gave up?
I would have quit after 5 words

Informed observer:
"Israel needs to stand tall at this time."
Isn't this a bit much, its one thing to stand tall, another to kill to prevent aid?

 
At 31/5/10 11:29 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to see Bomber and Tim being beaten with iron bars and stabbed while trying to remonstrate peacefully with their attackers. They wouldn't if they had any sense and that's how the Israelis played it.

Israel did the right thing and to hell with all these Hamas supporting terrorist sypathizers.

 
At 1/6/10 1:05 am, Anonymous James said...

@Informed Observer:

You have to be kidding me?

The flotilla was set up by the Free Gaza campaign, an international human rights organisation whose board of advisers includes John Pilger and Noam Chomsky, among others.

Your accusations are baseless, and frankly, offensive.

James

 
At 1/6/10 6:12 am, Blogger Bomber said...

I'd like to see Bomber and Tim being beaten with iron bars and stabbed while trying to remonstrate peacefully with their attackers. They wouldn't if they had any sense and that's how the Israelis played it.

Israel did the right thing and to hell with all these Hamas supporting terrorist sypathizers.


That is just bullshit anon, I see why you post anoymously - Israel butched peeace protestors in internationl waters - your boys blew it and over reacted and any lies you try and vomit up top hide won't be enough.

Israel have shown themselves for the paranoid and violent country that they are and the rest of the planet is sickened.

 
At 1/6/10 8:18 am, Anonymous AAMC said...

"Yeah right AAMC and since you were there then this enables you have some kind of tactical insight on the situation.

Piss off with you're idle speculation.

If the activists did attack the Israelis and attempted to seize their weapons then we'll be able to see it."

You're right Anon and it's that footage I was watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmhgPUXnzBU&feature=channel

And they're trying to beat the shit outta them, as I would if they were descending onto my vessel.So it's the activists attacking the Israelis despite the fact that it's the Israelis dangling from a helicopter, storming a vessel in international waters? Are you claiming that they could not have stopped this flotilla without dropping men with guns into a crowd of activists? Yeah, this was definitely an act intended to diffuse and control the situation. More likely a signal to others who intend to break their brutal blockade. But then perhaps that's a just cause.
As for tactics, from Juan Cole
'It is worth noting on Memorial Day that the Israeli attack deeply complicates the task of the US military in the region. It is a propaganda boon for Sunni extremists and Shiite activists such as Muqtada al-Sadr in Iraq, and for the Taliban in Afghanistan. It undermines the authority of the Egyptian and Jordanian governments, which have US-brokered peace treaties with Israel, treaties that are deeply unpopular with ordinary people in both countries. That some demonstrations are being held in front of US consulates and not just Israeli ones tells us who will get the blame for Netanyahu’s machismo.'

 
At 1/6/10 8:23 am, Anonymous Fuck Israel said...

Israel are probably the most evil country in the world. Most of them are deluded thinking they can control a country when its already got citizens who actually BELONG there, because they were BORN there.

You don't need to be a 'Hamas supporting terrorist sympathisers' to lend your support/voice to the terrorised Palestinians, you just need to have a basic sense of human rights.

If the world really knew what you sick ass holes (Zionists) really were, no one with a heart would support your sick causes. Israel are the real terrorists here always have been.

 
At 1/6/10 12:26 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened to the 'peaceful' protest flotilla. Surely when you have trigger Happy Israeli commandos descending to your boat you're just going to sit down and continue to protest peacefully? I dunno - but one thing I would not do is take to an armed soldier with a stick. Real Dumb. REAL FUCKIN DUMB.

 
At 1/6/10 1:10 pm, Blogger dave said...

Par for the course for Israel.
The Zionist state has no right to exist in occupied Palestine. Jews have national rights but not at the expense of Palestineans. For a united, socialist Palestine.

 
At 1/6/10 2:01 pm, Anonymous T Haynes said...

All they were tying to do was deliver aid - basic food, water and medical supplies to those poor suffering people who have been subjected to the evilness of Zionist Israel.

Israelis do not belong in Palestine! Please we all should know by now that the imaginary 'god' in the sky didn't 'choose' you, you're not special, your rights and needs do not come above anyone else so stop killing for your selfish benefit.

This is worse than the holocaust for Palestine, continually denying them basic supplies is wrong and you should be ashamed, Although you probably aren't you'll just blame it on Hamas etc. same old broken record.


You need to learn that you cannot steal a country off the indigenous, you need to live peacefully among all not slaughter them all to make room for yourselves. You don't declare your nuclear weapons, you ignore the UN and every other country, at the end of the day Israel is the biggest terrorist hub of the world not what we are told to believe by the media which is 98% owned by Zionist USA.

 
At 1/6/10 2:12 pm, Anonymous Carlos Ropehana said...

I personally know some Israeli people, and they view Palestinians as sub-human; and therefore not deserving of the human rights of the rest of us.
That is not an acceptable thing to teach your children, but it sums up all of Israel's tactics where Palestine is concerned.

 
At 1/6/10 4:07 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I personally know some Israeli people, and they view Palestinians as sub-human; and therefore not deserving of the human rights of the rest of us."

Funny I know some Arabs who hate israelis for what they are - jews and not for anything else.

PS love the crypto neo-nazi sentiments here masquarding as concern for the palestinians.

With attitudes like this I hope Israel will stand tall.

 
At 1/6/10 4:35 pm, Anonymous Carlos Ropehana said...

To anon above:
The sub-human statement came straight from the mouths of my Israeli friends, I did not make it up as some "crypto neo-nazi" statement as you suggest.
And I do have concern for the plight of Palestinians, as any right thinking compassionate human should.
I think it is equally unacceptable for "Arabs" as you call them, to hate Jews simply because they are Jews, as I believe all racism is unacceptable.
However I believe the way that Israel is acting is doing nothing but feed the anti-jewish sentiment which seems to be currently gripping the world.
Both sides are guilty of war crimes.
I do not support one country or race to the seclusion of another.

 
At 1/6/10 4:53 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"However I believe the way that Israel is acting is doing nothing but feed the anti-jewish sentiment which seems to be currently gripping the world."

Check out history. The world has been replete with pogroms and atrocities against the jews before Israel even existed. It's clear that many here are simply using the Palestinians as an excuse to engage in socially acceptable forms of anti-semitism.

 
At 1/6/10 5:01 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

It's clear that many here are simply using the Palestinians as an excuse to engage in socially acceptable forms of anti-semitism.

I find that pretty offensive anonymous, I have expressed my disgust at gunning down protesters in International bloody waters, as has most of the planet, claiming I am engaging in socially acceptable forms of anti-semitism simply suggests you are so blind to the injustice of Israel's actions that you would actually defend anything they did.

It is you Anon who is sorely out of step and your mindset shows how out of touch supporters of Israel have become.

 
At 1/6/10 5:04 pm, Anonymous Carlos Ropehana said...

To anon above:
I know history, and I know of the extensive atrocities and racism directed at jewish people through history.
This does not by any means give them a right to then commit atrocities against other people according to race or religion.
I agree their current behaviour is giving racist people a chance to engage in socially acceptable anti-semitism, which is why Israel should change it's behaviour and not give these people that chance.
Two wrongs do not make a right.

 
At 1/6/10 5:40 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again - where was the 'peaceful protest' it was mean't to be? I mean come on - the protestors knew this was going to happen and they made it a hell of a lot worse for themselves by resisting violently.

 
At 1/6/10 5:51 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is you Anon who is sorely out of step and your mindset shows how out of touch supporters of Israel have become."

Given that most of the world has persecuted jews for being jews for most of their history then clearly anti-semitic beliefs ARE in the mainstream and not to hate jews is actually out of step with world opinion - as evident by numerous posts here.

The truth is usually offensive to those having a offensive beliefs in the first place.

 
At 1/6/10 6:35 pm, Anonymous kerry said...

Since the beginning of the israeli state in the 1940's its been Israel who have been the agressor...invading Jordan and Egypt, attacking all of its neighbors as well as stealing land from Palestine and then practising genocide against the Palestinian people....geez what a charming lot!

No other state would be allowed to get away with anything like this without some sort of sanction......

 
At 1/6/10 6:42 pm, Anonymous Carlos Ropehana said...

To anon above:
You are missing the point.
Yes we know that Jews have been persecuted for centuries. But their actions at the moment do nothing but add fuel to the rascist agenda against them.
As for:"come on - the protestors knew this was going to happen and they made it a hell of a lot worse for themselves by resisting violently."
Are you saying that they shouldn't protest because they know there will be violent reactions to it? By this way of thinking do you believe that it was the students fault they were massacred in tiananmen square?
The fact is, they were in international waters, and Israel had no legal right to board the ship.

 
At 1/6/10 8:38 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The fact is, they were in international waters, and Israel had no legal right to board the ship."

So then boats which are engaged in the smuggling of heroin are not allowed to be stopped? What about boats which are dumping toxic waste? How about if they are involved in human trafficking or carrying weapons to sell to say liberian warlords?

Being in international waters doesn't mean anything. It's a lame argument.

 
At 1/6/10 8:40 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No other state would be allowed to get away with anything like this without some sort of sanction......"

The USSR did. Killed a lot more people to. Maybe its time for a history lesson.

 
At 1/6/10 11:33 pm, Anonymous Carlos Ropehana said...

"The USSR did. Killed a lot more people to. Maybe its time for a history lesson."

Um what has this got to do with anything? There is no USSR anymore; and even if there was, and they did do something like this now, I believe people would be just as pissed off at them as they are at Israel right now.
Just because the USSR committed horrendous atrocities in the past, that doesn't give other nations the right to follow suit.
I just don't understand your reasoning here at all.
And as for:"So then boats which are engaged in the smuggling of heroin are not allowed to be stopped? What about boats which..."
This has no relevance in this situation at all. Israel knew full well these boats held protesters, not drugs or toxic waste. They were stopping ships from entering the Gaza Strip without permission.

 
At 2/6/10 8:24 am, Anonymous Santa king of the jews said...

I'm sick of degenerates using anti-Semite as a reason to execute and occupy Palestine.

Palestinians are Semites themselves as the definition of a Semite is "a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in south western Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs."

So in turn YOU Israel are the anti Semites! Stop using this misguided excuse time and time again, it's your answer for everything its getting really old.

 
At 2/6/10 11:11 am, Anonymous Sam Clemenz said...

All of Anon's blustering of Anti-Semitism and finger pointing the blame away from Israel is nothing more than a stock standard copy of the IDL manual for combatting world objections for Israel's Apartheid- Rogue State Policies.

 
At 2/6/10 2:21 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Flotilla of hamas supporters set sale for Gaza.

Israelis tell them to stop and go to another port.

They disobey and violence ensure.

Eye-rollingly hilarious in its dictablity.

 

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