This is 'Justice' under National
'Unjust' bill means 11,000 per cent rise in prison time
The proposed three strikes bill would be grossly unjust and could result in an 11,000 per cent rise in time spent in prisons, an independent organisation on crime says. Rethinking Crime and Punishment director Kim Workman says the amended bill is worse than the original, because it means an offender who would receive a two-month sentence in today's court could be sentenced to decades in prison for the same offence under the new bill. The angry lynch mob of the sensible sentencing trust (who may or may not be secretly funded by the Private Prison Industry) have massive power within ACT since ACT decided to play to raw meat politics in an attempt to gain voter support from this redneck niche.
The sensible sentencing lynch mob (who may or may not be secretly funded by the Private Prison Industry) have ACT in their thrall ever since ACT decided not to be a broad based liberal party and focus on a one electorate with niche voter base strategy. It allows the Sensible Sentencing Lynch Mob to warp social policy with hate and ACT forced National down this medeival law and order 3 strikes and you are screwed policy as part of their deal for Government.
Let's look at the abominations National are going to create...
CASE EXAMPLES
* Commits two relatively minor offences (street robbery, for example), then a more serious offence (aggravated robbery) but a minor case. Instead of five years, they get 14. No parole.
* Commits two different offences (indecent assault, wounding with intent) then is negligent resulting in a death (or drinks and drives, killing someone) and gets life without parole.
* Offender commits a minor offence (wounding with intent in a pub brawl), then murder (self-defence, provocation or mercy killing) and gets life without parole.
* Consider Bruce Emery's manslaughter conviction for chasing and stabbing a tagger. If he'd had two previous convictions from when he was younger and had reformed, he'd get life imprisonment.
* Two brothers kill their mother in a mercy killing because she has a terrible disease. One has no previous convictions and is paroled after a few years. The other has a previous strike and gets life with no parole.
We have a 'if it bleeds, it leads' News media who focus on the worst examples of human behaviour. we feel outraged by such violence, and that outrage gets captured by political interests who twist that fear and anger into hate and that hate warps social policy.
3 strikes will only put more NZers into our ill funded and corrupt prison system that has been underfunded to the point of collapse so that rehabilitation and education services are not available. What happens when these damaged human beings get out? They explode and go straight back in for even longer.
Removing parole is just so stupid. It is the only modifying mechanism to behaviour that we have once someone is in prison. Remove it and we have no control over their behaviour, and the person themselves has no incentive to change, so that prisoner being released becomes institutionalized within the brutal behaviour mode within prison. Removing parole is just so counter productive.
The ONLY people who benefit from this knee jerk legislation is the Private Prison Industry that National are bringing into our country.
Aint it funny how the factorys doors close
Round the time that the school doors close
Round the time that the doors of the jail cells
Open up to greet you like the reaper
Aint it funny how the factorys doors close
Round the time that the school doors close
Round the time that a hundred thousand jail cells
Open up to greet you like the reaper
Rage Against the Machine - Ashes in the Fall
posted by Bomber @ 6:37 am
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WTF Criminal lover? Why should these people not be locked up for a long time- "* Commits two relatively minor offences (street robbery, for example), then a more serious offence (aggravated robbery) but a minor case. Instead of five years, they get 14. No parole.
* Commits two different offences (indecent assault, wounding with intent) then is negligent resulting in a death (or drinks and drives, killing someone) and gets life without parole.
* Offender commits a minor offence (wounding with intent in a pub brawl), then murder (self-defence, provocation or mercy killing) and gets life without parole."
If you think street robbery or indecent assault are minor crimes, you are off your head.
Everybody on tumeke knows you love crims and don't care about victims.
It is not redneck to lock people away and throw away the key if they commit three serious crimes.
"Commits two different offences (indecent assault, wounding with intent) then is negligent resulting in a death (or drinks and drives, killing someone) and gets life without parole."
I fail to see anything at all wrong with that example, that would seem perfectly reasonable to protect the innocent members of the society, or do we need a fourth victim before any action is taken?
" Offender commits a minor offence (wounding with intent in a pub brawl), then murder (self-defence, provocation or mercy killing) and gets life without parole."
Wounding with intent is anything but a minor offence, its what happens when you shatter someones skull. Again an example which negates your point.
"Consider Bruce Emery's manslaughter conviction for chasing and stabbing a tagger. If he'd had two previous convictions from when he was younger and had reformed, he'd get life imprisonment."
Very good, yet again...
Not feeling very much outrage right now.
Whao - Deano, hard day teaching the kids was it? Calling me a criminal lover who hates victims? That's all a bit bullshit isn't it mate? Have a cone a chill. I don't love criminals and believe victims should be given the treatment and respect they deserve, pretending otherwise to make your point is beneath you.
Bosco, always a pleasure to tango with you, let's see, you have no problem with pumping more and more people into private prisons who have a history of funding shrill victims rights groups who push for longer and longer sentences. Gosh if you were only as relaxed about issues that mattered like not parole which is the only behaviour mechanism we have once they are inside.
I fail to see anything at all wrong with that example, that would seem perfectly reasonable to protect the innocent members of the society, or do we need a fourth victim before any action is taken?
Life without parole for drink driving is acceptable to you? Well that says a little more about you than a modern definition of justice doesn't it Bosco?
Wounding with intent is anything but a minor offence, its what happens when you shatter someones skull. Again an example which negates your point.
You get in a bar fight earning a wounding with intent charge and have another incident where you kill someone in another fight and you get life without parole? No Judicial discretion, just cram em into jail eh Bosco? Great stuff.
"Consider Bruce Emery's manslaughter conviction for chasing and stabbing a tagger. If he'd had two previous convictions from when he was younger and had reformed, he'd get life imprisonment."
I thought you right wingers all loved Bruce?
Not feeling very much outrage right now.
You're right Bosco, let's just allow the private prison industry to just write the law shall we?
Now before Deano wets himself, I'm not defending these criminals or their actions, I'm saying that handing down none parole life sentences for crimes where they would pre 3 strikes have served a fraction of the time without judicial discretion is a recipe for disaster and a prison population that will explode.
Sorry guys, I just try and think about the wider implications rather than going with the flow of the knee jerk.
I'd prefer longer preventitive sentences (lets not be silly and call them 'life' sentences either) like you've outlined for serious violent criminals who kill and whom can't be stopped unless they are incarcerated.
However at the opposite end of the scale I would rather see the opposite, with jail solely the reserve of crooks like the ones you've outlined. I'd even say its not the right place to send people like Old Timmy and your odd low level dope cultivator etc.
Invest our resources into Youth justice and those offenders who can be turned around, the sort of criminals who would fit into your examples can't be and are why we have groups like SS (funny how that looks) preventing a truely rehabilitive justice system from occurring.
You also must have missed the comments I have previously made about Emmery and how he should have been locked up for murder.
You're always posting about how much you hate catholic kiddie fiddlers yet now you consider indecent assault to be a minor crime.
What if they committed two indecent assaults or violent actions? Does it enter your head that they may have a propensity for such behaviour which may escalate?
Like flies to food they come.
Their only answer to our problems is more power. more prison more authority and no insight into how we stop all the shit from happening in the first place.
There are alternatives to 3 strikes only we as a society are incapable of looking beyound american social systems to find them.
The peolpe who lovre this kind of solution probably have never read the work of Celia Lashley or others who seek meaningful change to prevent people going down the road to prison in the first place.
Bomber,I can look you in the eye and tll I never voted for this government becasue I didn't.
I knew what would come of it.
WAR ON NEWS= a antidote to bullshit
KiwiM
Like flies to food they come.
Their only answer to our problems is more power. more prison more authority and no insight into how we stop all the shit from happening in the first place.
There are alternatives to 3 strikes only we as a society are incapable of looking beyound american social systems to find them.
The peolpe who lovre this kind of solution probably have never read the work of Celia Lashley or others who seek meaningful change to prevent people going down the road to prison in the first place.
Bomber,I can look you in the eye and tll I never voted for this government becasue I didn't.
I knew what would come of it.
WAR ON NEWS= a antidote to bullshit
KiwiM
I think when they have committed three serious crimes like this, that they probably can't be rehabilitated. Who cares if they lose hope. No one priority is: we need them locked away from us. Their privileges-gone.
This isn't like the three strikes law in some parts of the States where people are locked away for toking on a joint or shoplifting. This is for serious, violent offences.
And my day teaching was pretty sweet actually. Like every day.
Any idea of the damage one simple assault can do to a person for the rest of their life?
Crimes against persons and property need serious deterrents.
If tagging had been dealt with seriously Emerys' tagger would still have a life.
when was robbery a "minor crime"??? again you show a lack of understanding of criminal charges and are spouting off your version of bullshit. why dont you try looking at issues objectively rather than through your dope filled smoke ridden little room? no respect for someone who call indecent assault or robbery "minor". you have no knowledge or ability to write on such a topic. out of your league buddy. jog on.
Any idea of the damage one simple assault can do to a person for the rest of their life?
Crimes against persons and property need serious deterrents.
If tagging had been dealt with seriously Emerys' tagger would still have a life.
Of course, it can be very damaging, but 3 strikes isn't a solution for that.
when was robbery a "minor crime"???
That is how it has been classified legally to the Select Committee meeting, perhaps your venom should be spat at the legal classification rather than me anono-troll?
again you show a lack of understanding of criminal charges and are spouting off your version of bullshit.
Ummmmmm. That's how it was legally classified at the select committee meting. Yelling at me while claiming I don't understand is amusing.
why dont you try looking at issues objectively rather than through your dope filled smoke ridden little room?
When were you ever at my place anon?
no respect for someone who call indecent assault or robbery "minor".
Jesus, you aren't too quick on the comprehension front are you? These were examples given by Rethinking Crime and Punishment - you do understand that right anono-Troll?
you have no knowledge or ability to write on such a topic. out of your league buddy. jog on.
I wish you had posted your name so we could all have a good hard laugh at you. I think it's your knowledge that is the problem, these are examples and terminology used at the Select Committee meeting, the story is linked, did you even read it before commenting Anon?
So Bomber if a cop gives you a clip behind the ear you'll be crying police brutality but if I get robbed at knifepoint and indecently assaulted then its just a minor crime with the perpetrator in need rehabilitation not imprisonment?
Is this your position.
PS I noticed you have chosen not to post on Kuriki Baily's latest escapes. Too embarassing to post on given your previous impassioned defence? I suppose indecent assault is a little hard to defend given you'd have to blame female journalists.
So Bomber if a cop gives you a clip behind the ear you'll be crying police brutality but if I get robbed at knifepoint and indecently assaulted then its just a minor crime with the perpetrator in need rehabilitation not imprisonment?
Is this your position.
PLEASE post your name up so we can have a laugh, after you went off half cocked this is your come back?
Have you even read the article, yes or no?
PS I noticed you have chosen not to post on Kuriki Baily's latest escapes. Too embarassing to post on given your previous impassioned defence? I suppose indecent assault is a little hard to defend given you'd have to blame female journalists.
Oh. My. God. You are such a clown anon. You are daring to hold up the utter mess that Bailey has become because the baying garden variety bigotry crowd of NZ (and I bet you were one of them weren't you mate) demanded he go to prison at the age of 12? You are holding him up and my lack of posting about him as an example of what exactly? Evidence that we should put more children into the correctional facilities? If anything his totally damaged perception of reality is an example OF WHAT NOT TO DO. How stupid are really?
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