Key has a dream: One day rich white old men will rule NZ again, let’s dump MMP
MMP may be back for debate
Electoral reform is back on the agenda as the Government prepares to reopen the debate on whether to dump MMP. A Government spokesman said yesterday that papers for consideration had gone to the Cabinet last week on a electoral referendum to be held either before or at the time of the next election. Justice Minister Simon Power is leading the debate. But the Government appears to be taking a softly-softly approach in the wake of criticism that it had turned its back on the results of the recent smacking referendum. It did not trumpet the news that officials had started laying the groundwork for another referendum, despite it being a key campaign pledge.
Rich white men in NZ, and all those who aspire to be them have hated MMP, having to listen to all those other voices around the table when they make decisions has led to a peculiar cultural backlash with white rich men complaining the world is against them and that the politically correct Nanny State dykeocracy has robbed them of their masculinity. Hence the desire to go back to a political system that saw the majority of Parliament ‘represented’ by rich white old men. Listening to people rail against MMP in favour for a system that only promotes the elites is hilarious.
National have fucked the Super City with an electoral system that favours the elites, (read Rudman this morning), racistly destroyed Maori hopes of representation (Tapu Misa does an incredible job talking about why equality matters in her column today) and now National are intending to do the same with the national electoral system. The genius of molesting democracy into one that only benefits rich white old men is that all those who aspire to have the affluence of rich white old men blindly go along with it not realizing that the old boys club won’t let you sit at the same table with them.
It is a brilliant move by the elites, and like sheep, NZers will blindly go to the slaughter. For those who think a wee bit more, the coming fight will be galvanizing, but remember the right wing want more than a referendum at 2011, Fran O’Sullivan wants the molestation to start now and Key was just on Breakfast suggesting it can be done now, in the exact same rushed way the Super City has been rammed through.
How is that change feeling NZ? You’re having your electoral systems molested to allow the rich white people National really represent to win forever! I’m almost delighted to see the excesses of power National and ACT are unleashing to the utter detriment of this country.
You made your bed NZ, I’m enjoying watching you lie in it.
posted by Bomber @ 8:05 am
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13 Comments:
National campaigned on having a referendum. They won the election. We get our referendum. Where is the problem?
If people want to keep MMP, they can vote for it. Whats wrong with that? You cant dislike democracy because you dont get the outcome you want.....
As someone of the left, do you like the fact that a party that won 3.65% of the vote can hold a gun to the head of National? Thats a byproduct of MMP, is it not?
If you say that Act is the party of the elites, do you not then agree that MMP has given the so called elites a disproportionate amount of power?
National campaigned on having a referendum. They won the election. We get our referendum. Where is the problem?
Yep, they have played to the very forces I've spelt out in the blog Scott, let me repost it for you in case you missed it. I've noted you tend to post without reading...
a peculiar cultural backlash with white rich men complaining the world is against them and that the politically correct Nanny State dykeocracy has robbed them of their masculinity.
If people want to keep MMP, they can vote for it. Whats wrong with that? You cant dislike democracy because you dont get the outcome you want.....
Again, let me go back to the blog you seem to have posted on without reading...
The genius of molesting democracy into one that only benefits rich white old men is that all those who aspire to have the affluence of rich white old men blindly go along with it not realizing that the old boys club won’t let you sit at the same table with them.
As someone of the left, do you like the fact that a party that won 3.65% of the vote can hold a gun to the head of National? Thats a byproduct of MMP, is it not?
I don't like the fact that National won the election either Scott, you would assume I don't want elections ever again? I am well aware of the manner in which ACT have used the system to maximize their position of power, I accept that because the trade off is a system not as representative. I accept that cost rather than see rich white old folk run Parliament forever and ever.
If you say that Act is the party of the elites, do you not then agree that MMP has given the so called elites a disproportionate amount of power?
I've just answered that in the above answer. I understand the desire to have an electoral system that is better for everyone is a difficult concept for one of the boss class to comprehend Scott, but I accept a representative democracy with it's flaws EVEN when those flaws don't serve my direct political interests. That's the reason you have such trouble understanding my position Scott.
But you seem to suggest that its MMP vs FPP, when clearly it is not.
But you seem to suggest that its MMP vs FPP, when clearly it is not.
Gosh, I wonder what I'm basing that on Scott? Can you think of ANY examples in the last 10 months?
Hmmm, let's see, there is the incredibly undemocratic manner which National have misused urgency to ram through legislation the other party's haven't even read boycotting any selec t committee oversight...
Then there's the manner in which they screwed Maori for representation on the Super City before they had even finished consultation...
Then there's the way they have opted for an electoral system that is biased in their favour for the Super City...
Then there's the way they went with a 10% cut before the consultation process was even complete...
You are so right Scott, let's give them the benefit of the doubt again. Your trusting nature that your party will do the right thing is just a farce Scott.
No taxation without representation.
Therefore since the poor receive more than they pay in taxes then thier representation should be adjusted accordingly.
It is the ordinary working people of this country who get screwed by the taxman, you should already know that.
About time we had MMP back.
Frankly I'm sick of the govnt being held hostage to special interest groups, ideological fanatics, racial separatists and personality cults masquarding as minor parties. Only a utter moron would think that pinstripe fascists like Winston keeps the govnt honest or Green party version of Maoist 5 year plan offers somekind of economic salvation.
There is a reason why these clowns are polling (if they're lucky) at the margin of error, because normal middle of the road voters see them for what they are: extremists and opportunists.
Good riddence to them all.
A binding referendum would require a 51% vote to change the status quo. Do these rich white men make up 51% of those of voting age? No they do not. These rich white men which you allege are up to no good have to gather popular support to change the system.
Sorry Ivory, perhaps you can't read so let me repost for you...
The genius of molesting democracy into one that only benefits rich white old men is that all those who aspire to have the affluence of rich white old men blindly go along with it not realizing that the old boys club won’t let you sit at the same table with them.
MMP is clearly not working when you get fringe groups from both the right and the left getting a disproportionate say for their support.
I believe that List MP's are one of the main reasons for this, there is no way of holding to account someone who is on the list of a party, you have to leave that up to the party. I have a couple of suggestion over here to help sort that problem out
http://lukewebster.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/mmp/
I don't have all the answers, and those were my raw thoughts as they came to mind, so there will be some problems with them, but to me, it seems much better than the system we are working with now.
I was not around for FPP, so have not experienced it yet so really can't comment on how FPP would work.
"You made your bed NZ, I’m enjoying watching you lie in it."
Really! SO you'll enjoy the change back to FPP depriving your beloved Greens of what little power they had a consumer affairs spokes(person).
At least on this point we are in agreement.
Key is the most slimy piece of filth this country has ever put up on to the sacrificial altar of enslavement of our people, I will not rest comfortably until he is not our leader, and if he wants a war he'll get one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuSu02B2Eco
"As someone of the left, do you like the fact that a party that won 3.65% of the vote can hold a gun to the head of National?"
If National are going to let themselves be led around like a horny teenage boy by the whorish teenager that is ACT then that's their problem. Don't blame the system for the weak moral fibre of our current government.
Bomber, this is a great piece of commentary - my fave thing you've ever written.
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