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Tuesday, August 25, 2009

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CYF to be given smacking guidelines
Social workers will be told to change the way they deal with parents referred to them for smacking. Prime Minister John Key said yesterday that Child, Youth and Family had never given its social workers guidelines on how to deal with smacking cases after the 2007 law change removed the defence of reasonable force in cases of child assault.

What ev’s bro! National aren’t going to change anything to do with this law in any way shape or form, because they know religious fundy fire is best left to quietly die out on it’s own rather than actively fight it.

Fundy Christians ain’t friends with progress. You could rape your spouse in 1984 in NZ and get away with it, why? Because apparently God oversaw the matrominial relationship of total sexual obedience and any Government that tried to interfer in that would be damned to hell.

The Law was changed in 1985 (Crimes Amendment Act no 3) and belzebub didn’t suddenly appear and plunge the country into hell.

Could anyone really imagine being able to rape your wife now and get away with it? No, no one pretends they could do that, society progressed.

In 1985 you could throw someone in prison for being Gay. Isn’t that a riot? For simply being Gay, the Government could lock someone up. Fundy Christian groups of course were at the forefront of this intolerant bigotry and they were the ones who had to be fought to get the change through.

The law was changed in 1986, NZ civilization didn’t end.

No one could imagine trying to arrest someone for being Gay now, no one (except fundy Christians).

And that brings us to the here and now with a law change that removed the legal loophole of having the Courts protect an adult from assault charges against their child if they claim the assault was ‘discipline’.

The mainstream media have done all they can to misrepresent this debate and whip the country up with nanny state/political correctness gone mad headlines leading to a massive misunderstanding of the intent and purpose of this law, which was to remove the legal loophole – you can’t have a situation where the Court protects the abuser over the abused.

Don’t get me wrong, your children ARE awful and they all need discipline, but that can be done minus violence, all you teach a child when you hit them is that “I am physically bigger than you, and force can make you do what I want” – not a great message to send.

Rape within marriage, arresting gay people, hitting children legally – they are all parts of our past now and despite the claims made by fundy Christians each time that society as we know it would end it hasn’t.

Time to move on.

6 Comments:

At 25/8/09 9:16 am, Blogger Iri Ani said...

Couldn't agree more.

 
At 25/8/09 2:33 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

These are all crimes regularly and as of right performed by Muslim men - don't see much indignation from your site about their practices.

The involvement of Christian Fundy's in NZ's society is negligible - unlike Sue and Helen ramming unwanted legislation down New Zealanders' throats.
Shady

 
At 25/8/09 2:44 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

These are all crimes regularly and as of right performed by Muslim men - don't see much indignation from your site about their practices.

WTF ANON? Muslim men are raping their wives and arresting homosexuals in NZ? Please give me the details of these Muslim men doing this in NZ and getting away with it and I will condemn them! Note: IN NZ please anon, proof Muslim men are doing this in NZ please.

 
At 25/8/09 5:24 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apologies Bomber - misread your post for some reason - wrong goggles on.

My comment wasn't really relivant to your post - probably more relivant to your support of Zaoui - and the right of "fundy" Muslims (who absolutely believe in those "crimes" as taught by the Koran).

I actually agree with your post to a point, but would still reserve the right as a parent to give my child a smack on the bum (not beat, hit or any other term that implies assault) or hand to deter REALLY bad behaviour. It doesn't teach them "I am bigger than you" it teaches them "that is really bad behaviour and you will get a smack on the behind if you do it again" - and it does work. A child is likely to be more traumatised by having his/her arm nearly yanked from its socket (not illegal) to acheive the same outcome. You must have seen that happen - I have - and its really ugly. Far more offensive than a smack on the bum.

People need to be educated in non-violent ways of discipline - and it needs to start right from the beginning. Until people are given those tools, abuse (both trifling and severe) will continue. More importantly, they also need to learn to balance discipline with love.

Incidentally - its not the fundy Christians murdering their children is it?

 
At 25/8/09 6:56 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Please give me the details of these Muslim men doing this in NZ and getting away with it and I will condemn them!"

So you don't mind this happening in other countries bomber?

 
At 26/8/09 6:29 am, Blogger Bomber said...

I actually agree with your post to a point, but would still reserve the right as a parent to give my child a smack on the bum (not beat, hit or any other term that implies assault) or hand to deter REALLY bad behaviour. It doesn't teach them "I am bigger than you" it teaches them "that is really bad behaviour and you will get a smack on the behind if you do it again" - and it does work. A child is likely to be more traumatised by having his/her arm nearly yanked from its socket (not illegal) to acheive the same outcome. You must have seen that happen - I have - and its really ugly. Far more offensive than a smack on the bum.
I disagree. Hitting a child isn't the answer. Children certainly need discipline, I've met a lot of your children and they are awful, awful little beasts and they desperately need discipline, I just don't think hitting you child achieves that. All you teach a child is that physical forces gets you what you want, not a lesson we really want to teach.

So you don't mind this happening in other countries bomber?
I'm sorry ANon, what was this blog about? Muslim men in other countries or the recent referendumb in NZ? I'll give you a hint, the blog is called....

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