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Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Shirtcliffe already spending up for MMP referendum II

The graph shows that approaching election time people start caring about their two votes - late '99 and mid '02 were elections. The interests that want to restrict that to just one vote never sleep. The Nats have promised a referendum - the wording and details of which are still to be established - on MMP at, or before the scheduled 2011 general election.

UMR Electoral system poll results tell us what most people will already know - that old people, mostly white people, yearn for the good old days of First-past-the-post voting. What I found interesting was people behind it, the wealthy elite and their business interests are similarly old fashioned. You would think they would be modernists - not so.

Since a smaller parliament with less representation of minorities is a central plank in these people's dream scenario of re-exerting corporate influence over our democracy their first hurdle is to repeal MMP. They are prepared to fork out as much money to do that as they were to defend FPP back in 1993, ie. shit loads.

I remember a guy from Act popped up a few years back fronting some sort of organisation trying to get a petition to get parliament to 99 MPs. The only reason he would spend time on that fruitless enterprise was if he was being paid - a lot. On that score:People remain unconvinced that 120 MPs (and it's 120 minimum, the current parliament, like the one previously is in overhang) is necessary. But that is a back door to making the chamber disproportionate - certainly the way they are thinking.

Now Graeme Hunt, a business journalist (and author too) is fronting this new show focused on MMP rather than 100 MPs. When money and power and status are at stake these guys are making calculated investments:

The poll was commissioned by Put MMP to the Vote, a campaign for an informed referendum on the electoral system led by Graeme Hunt and Peter Shirtcliffe.

I can't find any website for this organisation, cabal or whatever you want to call it. The trembling terror of poor governance (ie. that a Ruth Richardson type might have to compromise with a Winston Peters or a Pita Sharples type in order to rule the country) is answered in the survey: The negatives increasing five points over two years, but still eight points less than the people who think that MMP has been positive. They won't be too pleased with that in the boardroom, or lodge or whatever you want to call it.

64% would be comfortable seeing a referendum on MMP - but the wording was "to keep or change" the MMP system - the question of what the other options are to change it to is an unknown. I hope Shirtcliffe gets his arse kicked in round 2 even harder than round 1 in 1993, or round 0 in 1992 (the first time I voted... for MMP). The main problem for Shirtcliffe is that his daughter, who helped him immensely 16 years ago, will not be as hot looking now. Seriously. She was worth more than a couple of points to FPP because watching a very wealthy, old, ugly, white man lecturing us that his very wealthy, old, ugly, white mates will have less influence over politicians if minorities were allowed in and that everyone's votes shouldn't count and that just a few people in marginal, middle class and provincial electorates should decide the government is the natural order of things made the rest of us want to fucking puke. Coming from his daughter however made it palatable to many which was why they switched tactics and her fronting it towards the end.

8 Comments:

At 14/7/09 7:36 pm, Blogger Idiot/Savant said...

Hunt wrote a book called Why MMP Must Go, whose central thesis is that the original MMP referenda were unfair and reflected a short period of intense dissatisfaction at government (strangely, he doesn't think the same of the 1990 or 2008 elections, though). The book has a forward by NBR editor Nevil Gibson and an intro by Ruth Richardson. Which I think says everything that needs to be said about it and the people who back him.

 
At 14/7/09 9:02 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

The elite are moving to kill off representative democracy and the challenge will be to wake NZers up to Shirtclikke & Co's vested interest at making it less representative. This fight will get very nasty, the right are playing for keeps now with this and the TABOR changes Rodney is trying to push through.

 
At 14/7/09 11:43 pm, Anonymous Tom Semmens said...

FFS, this is a dead issue.

 
At 14/7/09 11:55 pm, Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

Yes, Tom, I suppose Shirtcliffe is rather cadaverous.

 
At 15/7/09 10:14 am, Blogger Hans Versluys said...

MMP should be made even more proportional by getting rid of the electorate seats (Maori ones included)

 
At 15/7/09 2:07 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as voters were concerned, the biggest development may have been the results of a referendum in September 1992.They were given the choice between electoral reform and maintaining the present 'first past the post' (FPP) system.A majority voted for a change, and when asked to indicate their preferred option, mixed member proportional (MMP) was the clear favourite---beating off supplementary member, single transferable vote and preferential voting.A second referendum held in 1993 established that nearly 54% of voters wanted MMP, while 46% wished to stick to FPP.As a result, the 1996 general election was New Zealand's first under MMP.

The system was designed to ensure that the number of MPs in each party accurately reflected that party's share of all the party votes cast at the election.It also eliminated the bias against smaller parties and provided for a more representative Parliament, reducing the likelihood that one party would have an absolute majority.Based on a German system, MMP did away with one of the elements of the Westminster system (the need for absolute majority) and represented the severing of another constitutional connection with Britain.

New Zealand voters were now entitled to both a party vote---to chose the party in Parliament---and an electorate vote---to chose an MP to represent the voters own electorate.There would usually be 120 (121) MPs, half of whom repersented the sixty general electorates throughout the country and five of whom represented Maori electorates (later to be 7).

Some say that all the electorates should be put out to pasture, Maori ones included!


The remaining fifty-five were list MPs, and their numbers depended on each party's share of the party votes and its number of electorate MPs.Each party had to either receive at least 5% of the party vote or win at least 1 electorate seat to receive an allocation of parliamentary seats based on its share of the party votes.

New Zealanders soon discovered that MMP reacquainted them with something they had not known since 1935: Coalition Government.The first under the new system was in February 1996 whem Jim Bolger led a coalition of National and United, and was followed by one in which National swapped partners and chose the New Zealand First Party.Soon afterwards, Bolger was replaced by Jenny Shipley, New Zealand's first woman Prime Minister.She held the job for just over 15 months, and at the general election in December 1999 relinquished the post to Helen Clark.

(...and the establishment of the royal commission that recommended that the country consider MMP)

National was returned in 1993 and again in 1996, which was the first election under the new MMP system, and Bolger now formed his Coalition Government with the New Zealand First Party.He also revealed that while he was not initially in favour of MMP, he believed it should be given time to settle down.Shipley admitted that her term as Prime Minister was made 'extraordinarily demanding' by it being the first MMP Parliament.

While the first MMP election in 1996 was a disaster for Labour, the stability of the Coalition Government proved an increasing problem for National.On 4 November 1997, after Shipley had dispaced Bolger, Clark noted 'the Government benches are not happy benches' and referred to the 'latest reshuffle of the deckchairs upon the Titanic'.

 
At 15/7/09 3:21 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Each party had to either receive at least 5% of the party vote or win at least 1 electorate seat to receive an allocation of parliamentary seats based on its share of the party votes.
Except the maori party!

 
At 16/7/09 10:33 am, Anonymous bc said...

Under a true proportional system the Maori seats shouldn't exist. It was in fact recommended that upon adopting a proportional voting system that the Maori seats be abolished. Of course it didn't happen.
As a result we get this overhang happening with the Maori party winning seats and which will continue to happen as long as the Maori seats exist.
Reduce the 5% threshold to 4% and abolish the Maori seats. After all if the Maori party can't get 4% of the vote (which they didn't get at the last election) do they really represent Maori people?

 

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