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Thursday, June 11, 2009

Unite's candidates' debate [+pictures]

I finally got to have a chat with David Shearer at the Mt Albert community hall - what a nice chap. Finally got to have a brief chat before the meeting with Melissa Lee...She is... awful really.

It was an amicable meeting, the audience of hard-core unionists were very well behaved and at this late stage in the campaign the candidates have formed a type of camaraderie on the hustings.
She's barely keeping her head above the red tide.

So I want to say something positive, but she gave us nothing. The backdrop was Unite's $15/hr minimum wage referendum campaign and Lee responded to a question about income with an idiotic remark that she only gets paid $2 an hour. Flippant and dumb - the same sort of thing that got her pinged about South Aucklanders at one of her first meetings.

This is not a naturally friendly or even neutral territory - this is Matt McCarten's Unite Union - the most militant union representing the poorest paid workers starting their minimum wage campaign - and the last thing you say as an MP on a six figure - a list bloody MP - on a six figure income is: I only get paid $2 an hour. After the initial shocked reaction she tried to explain herself - but it was too late.

And the sad thing was she actually had a very good hard-luck story of surviving on minimum wage as a solo mum - but that came out much later and the damage was done.

She is a very slow learner. She's so bad in these situations I feel a bit sorry for Dr Jonathan Coleman (who she described to me as being kind of like her campaign manager - which begged the question: don't you have one?) who is handling her. He's a Cabinet Minister, so you'd think he must have better things to do than attempt a rescue operation on this terminal patient. She needs - she needed, let's use the past tense and write her off now - some sort of media training. Ironic, given her media background; so one may speculate that she's not taking things onboard because she thinks she knows it all. She'll find out the hard way on Saturday that she does not.I think she deserves to come third or fourth from what I have seen of all the main candidates.

And the other candidates are left on the outer in these debates. Like the Backbenchers TV debate last night the Libz and the ALCP guys were not at the table. However they did at least get a minute to say something at the end (unlike Backbenchers) and Dakta Green (who had been heckling intermittently from the side of the hall) got the biggest round of applause, although Russel Norman won on the hand vote that was taken at the conclusion.

The National and Act candidates refused to sign the petition. The Green and Labour candidates did and now they need about another 300,000 or so people to do the same.It's not a proper union until you have protest folk songs played on a banjo.

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At 11/6/09 10:18 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hahahaha, Russel Norman's signature on the $15hr petition card is bold and clear, but Labour's David Shearer has a signature that is fading and barely legible. Does that indicate how rapidly Labour would back away from an immediate jump to $15hr if they were back in government?

Kinda like Labour insisted on raising the minimum wage to $12hr over a 3 year period, so inflation nibbled away at the $1hr increase each year so low wage workers were on a pay rate that was little different in real terms (inflation adjusted).

Oh, the joys of tweedle-dee and tweedle dum Labour & National governments...

 
At 12/6/09 1:37 am, Blogger Blair Anderson said...

Perhaps Tumeke should consider a more expansive acknowledgement of extra-participatory parliamentary election candidates and parties.
The inclusion of the Libertarians as 'extra-parliamentary' discounts the fact that Aotearoa Legalise (ALCP) has consistently and influentially polled since 1996 MMP and it has two of those candidates complete some thirteen years of participatory democracy. Should we be surprised then that New Zealand is the first country in the world to go beyond the primary UN obligations to the founding covenants and override its obligations to the Single Conventions on Narcotics by legally regulating (R18) recreational (use, sale, storage, exchange, labeling, etc.) soft drugs under the aegis and management of the Ministry of Health.

If nothing else, those candidates at the Mt Albert by-election tables 'because they are more serious' and thus deserving of media space thus mind share should be asked to explain and be tested against this crucial law and order issue. An issue that has seen honourable men killed on service to a mission impossible and civilians as collateral damage in our driveways, streets and motorways.

Yet "Class D" has escaped media or political attention, despite the first job of the PM's science adviser to take the P out of cough mixture (loud applause in CHCH town hall when RH J Key mentioned it...) and alcohol, and hoons, get the money - libraries, pools and culture are someone else responsibility. [What ever happened to 'for the people'.]

600 Cops is a sign of failure, whereas 600 less would be 'best practice' measure of social policy success. Purposeful implementation of Class D is the ticket to that success. Mt Albert voters have been deprived of an opportunity to send an important 'law and order' signal to RH Key and Co. One that would better inform the alcohol debate.

 
At 12/6/09 8:21 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...libraries, pools and culture are someone else responsibility. [What ever happened to 'for the people'.]

I challenge anyone to show us any proof the Pools and Libraries are going to have all the money taken off them or privatised.

It isn't going to happen. I heard Hide talk to a NZRA meeting in Elerslie a couple of weeks ago and he was asked specifically about pools and Libraries and whether or not they would still be funded and he said yeas, of course they would as the are core services for Councils. What he is targeting are things like housing and "economic developement" that Councils have no business being involved in.

Pretending that Rodney Hide is going to start selling off libraries is stupid at best, but more likely dishonest and deliberately scare mongering.


[What ever happened to 'for the people'.]

What happened is that you probably woke up from the dream you were having in which Councils are some magically benevolent set of organisations run purely for the enjoyment of "the people" i.e. you and your friends special interest groups. Councils ARE NOT for dishing out ratepayer money for social services and funding cultural events for who ever lobbies the hardest or promises the best photo oppurtunity for the current mayor.

 
At 12/6/09 8:43 am, Blogger Bomber said...

Anonymous Troll 8:21am: While you are correct that Councils don't care about the people they are supposed to represent, that doesn't mean the public shouldn't demand more services to make a city work.

Your defence of Hide however ignores the manner in which he has so far gone to by misusing process to ram through his changes with zero public consultation and oversight - you continue to pretend that any concerns that Hide will do a Rodger Douglas are scare tactics, which when put alongside the manner in which Hide has acted since election simply show your claims up for the apoligist smokescreen it is.

This is a right wing coup being spun as rate payer accountability.

 
At 12/6/09 8:56 am, Anonymous anonymous troll said...

that doesn't mean the public shouldn't demand more services to make a city work.

When "the public" start paying a a couple of thousand dollars per year in rates like I do, THEN they can start demanding what ever the hell the like from councils - I'd Love to know which rate payers are demanding "economic developement" and subsidised housing for other people.

Until they start contributing I don't give a shit what they think the rest of us should be paying for.

Your defence of Hide however ignores the manner in which he has so far gone to by misusing process to ram through his changes with zero public consultation and oversight

My defence of Hide is based on what I personally witnessed the man saying at the NZRA meeting infront of 500 or so council employees from all the Auckland regions Councils - nothing else.

You on the other hand are dreaming up some nonsense about Roger Douglas and privatisation. It is no coup and rate payer accountability is the very bare minimum we should be expecting from our councils anyway. If you had any dealings with councils you would know just how much time and money they waste all kinds of bullshit. Hide straightening them out is long over due.


Incidently - why you insist on mentioning Roger Douglas all the time is beyond me as it has been pointed out to you - time and time again - none of the successive governments have undone any of what Roger Douglas brought in: because what he did had to be done and undoing it would be a fucking disaster for the country.

 
At 12/6/09 9:44 am, Blogger Bomber said...

When "the public" start paying a a couple of thousand dollars per year in rates like I do, THEN they can start demanding what ever the hell the like from councils - I'd Love to know which rate payers are demanding "economic developement" and subsidised housing for other people.

Until they start contributing I don't give a shit what they think the rest of us should be paying for.

Anonymous Troll, Show me where I defend Council's more outragous waste of rate money? Even the NZ Herald, that most conservative of organs doesn't agree with you or what Hide is planning...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10577717

My defence of Hide is based on what I personally witnessed the man saying at the NZRA meeting infront of 500 or so council employees from all the Auckland regions Councils - nothing else
My criticism of Hide comes from the manner in which he annexed Auckland and appointed his hand picked clique to run the city, all by mis-using urgency to ram changes through with zero public consultation and oversight.

You on the other hand are dreaming up some nonsense about Roger Douglas and privatisation. It is no coup and rate payer accountability is the very bare minimum we should be expecting from our councils anyway. If you had any dealings with councils you would know just how much time and money they waste all kinds of bullshit. Hide straightening them out is long over due.
And this is why you are an 'anonymous' troll, note folks how the anonymous troll ignores the criticism that the manner in which Hide has abused parliamentry process to ram these changes through by claiming it's just cleaning up Council spending.

Incidently - why you insist on mentioning Roger Douglas all the time is beyond me as it has been pointed out to you - time and time again - none of the successive governments have undone any of what Roger Douglas brought in: because what he did had to be done and undoing it would be a fucking disaster for the country.
Hide is using the exact same tactics as Rodger did, you have spent time reading our political history right anon troll? The last time law was passed by misusing urgency was the mother of all budgets under Ruth and prior to that it was Rodger Douglas.

This is a coup that National need to reign in because currently ACT are the tail owning the dog and pretending it is not is exactly that, pretending.

 
At 12/6/09 10:10 am, Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

Blair Anderson - I'll put a link to the ALCP (and Alliance) on the extra-parliamentary list.

I talked a bit to Dakta and he's a very capable guy who is doing a very good job for the ALCP despite not being included in most of the debates.

 
At 12/6/09 10:20 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Accountability is one of the defining characteristics of democracy Bomber. So why are you against it?

You automatically assume that ratepayers will vote against any spending but you have yet to provide any proof.

This kind of accountability of a much needed check against council abuse of ratepayer monies yet your opposition to it rests upon a very uncharitable view of your fellow citizens as mindless selfish fuckwits who don't see things your way.

 
At 12/6/09 10:46 am, Blogger Bomber said...

Anonymous Troll 10.20am - I am in no way promoting Council waste, the farce over the footpaths is a perfect example of Council corruption. The herald editorial is a good counter to wholesale cuts to the social services Rodney Hide only this week was suggesting as he redefined core services.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10577717

 

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