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Sunday, December 28, 2008

Israel butchers 200 Palestinians in Gaza airstrikes


Massive Israeli air raids on Gaza
Israeli F-16 bombers have pounded key targets across the Gaza Strip, killing more than 200 people, local medics say.
Most of those killed were policemen in the Hamas militant movement, which controls Gaza, but women and children also died, the Gaza officials said. About 700 others were wounded, as missiles struck security compounds and militant bases, the officials added.


Ahh, the good old, ‘They are firing glorified sky rockets at illegal settlements which justifies our total over the top reaction from helicopter gunships” game, and doesn’t Israel play it well? Funny how America and Israel always howl about democracy yet when a party wins whom they don’t like it’s not democracy but a ‘terrorist’ organization. Perhaps Hamas wouldn’t have won so much support if Fatah hadn’t been so corrupt and the 4 decade long illegal occupation of Palestine hadn’t radicalized so many, but Hamas won the elections fair and square yet America and Israel are still trying to act like Hamas are not legitimate and justifies retaliation that has killed 200 in one of the worst attacks in decades.

Israeli politics are so defunct and embroiled in such deep corruption at present (perhaps when you perpetrate occupation you yourself start becoming corrupt?) and still trying to save face from the fiasco of their last war against Lebanon that they need a diversion and firing hell-fire missiles into one of the most densely populated places on earth for ‘self defense’ purposes will create that diversion.

With zero US leadership from the Bush Administration on reigning in Israel’s aggression and end the illegal occupation of Palestinian land, Israel has been allowed to exacerbate their own wound to the point where they can’t function beyond that of a shell shocked child in a refugee camp. Obama must go beyond the usual bullshit every President needs to mouth to keep the Zionist Lobby happy and force Israel to the peace table or no more US guns for them. The only reason Israel doesn’t seek peace is because America arms them with such an uneven amount of military force that they think they can keep running the occupied territories as the largest open aired prison on the planet. That mentality must be stopped and Israel must leave land they have stolen for occupation and only then can there be any real attempt at peace, it seems the Israeli’s are more concerned with enflaming the conflict beyond any possible Obama led change.

There is no military solution here.

25 Comments:

At 28/12/08 10:59 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why you close eyes who start war?

 
At 28/12/08 11:24 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

throwing stones at the neighbours and getting a shocked look on your face when they retaliate isnt really such a good idea!

 
At 28/12/08 11:28 am, Blogger Brewerstroupe said...

It is hard to fathom just what Israel expects to get out of this. I suspect that, given the nature of the targets, it may presage a second attempt by Israel's proxies, Abbas and Dahlan to wrest power from Hamas.

 
At 28/12/08 11:28 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, OK; I'll bite. The pro-Palestinian contingent continually refers to the "illegal occupation" being perpetrated by the Israelis. I need to know how this position is justifiable. The world's borders are set by nation-states that come to an agreement amongst themselves. When those agreed-upon borders are broached, military action typically ensues (think Iraq v. Kuwait). Well, the world agreed that that little spit of land on the Med is now Israel. The WORLD agreed. That's it; it's over. The fact that a group of people feel that that little spit of land is theirs because of what their god told them is immaterial. Their are many religions on this planet, and the fact that muslims have proven to be excellent procreators, and vicious defenders of their faith, does not make their religion any more valid than anyone else's. Have your god appear and straighten out the whole situation, and we will all relent. Until then, adhere to the international rule of law. Don't shoot "glorified bottle rockets" at anyone. Don't send your young, idealistic (read: stupid) citizens into pizzerias with semtex belts on. Don't tell your fighters that they will get 72 virgins when they get to heaven (they won't; what did the virgins do wrong to get THEIR end of the deal?). Don't blow up airliners, or fly them into buildings. Come to the bargaining table and negotiate; that's how the civilized world does it. Until then, you will be viewed as savages, and when you piss off the neighboring nation-state that has all of those sophisticated weapons, don't act surprised when they use them on you. If the Israelis had the moral attitude of Hamas, there wouldn't BE any Palestinians left.

 
At 28/12/08 12:21 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If the Israelis had the moral attitude of Hamas, there wouldn't BE any Palestinians left."

Also if Egypt, Syria etc had succeeded in their planned 1967 genocide there would be no Israel. Instead they got ass raped with no condom and now cry "illegal occupation" (spoils of war).

 
At 28/12/08 12:25 pm, Blogger Brewerstroupe said...

Unfortunately for the thesis expressed above, not all "the world agreed that that little spit of land on the Med is now Israel" The Zionists were the first to disagree:

The day after the plan for partition was announced, Menachim Begin proclaimed:
“The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever.”
Ben Gurion:
“The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan. One does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today--but the boundaries of the Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.”

 
At 28/12/08 12:32 pm, Blogger Brewerstroupe said...

"Also if Egypt, Syria etc had succeeded in their planned 1967 genocide there would be no Israel."

Prime Minister Menachem Begin, in a speech delivered at the Israeli National Defense College, clearly stated that: “The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him” (Jerusalem Post, 20 August 1982).

“… Reserve General Matityahu Peled, a lecturer in the history of the Middle East at the University of Tel Aviv, who had been chief of the logistical command during the 1967 war and was one of the 12 members of the army General Staff, said at a symposium at the Zavta Club in Tel Aviv: “The thesis according to which Israel was fighting for her very physical survival was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war.” Israelis, he added, were under no threat of destruction “either as individuals or as a nation”. While Egypt had 80,000 soldiers in Sinai, Israel had “hundreds of thousands of men poised against them”.

Then, Mordechai Bentov, a former member of the ruling coalition during the June war, said he had not voted in favour of the war because he was convinced that all diplomatic and political means had not been employed to obtain the reopening of the Gulf of Akaba. He added: “This whole story about the threat of extermination was totally contrived and then elaborated on afterwards to justify the annexation of new Arab territories.”

 
At 28/12/08 12:42 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

President Nassar while his armies and allies rolled up to Israel's door step:
"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight"

 
At 28/12/08 12:45 pm, Anonymous Kerry said...

Israel need to pull their heads in and remind themselves that they are invaders and that Israel doesnt exist...its called Palestine and always will be!!!

 
At 28/12/08 12:55 pm, Blogger Brewerstroupe said...

"President Nassar while his armies and allies rolled up to Israel's door step:
"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight"

If you can prove that he said that you could earn yourself some money:

"At the time of the June 1967 war it was stridently asserted by Israel’s supporters that Egyptian President Gamal Nasser threatened to drive the Israelis into the sea.
This claim, for which there was no evidence at all, was almost universally believed in the West and it had a powerful effect on public opinion in Britain and the United States at that time.
In Britain one Member of Parliament even quoted it during a television program, provoking another Member of Parliament, Christopher Mayhew, to offer 5000 pounds to any of the millions of viewers who could produce evidence that Nasser had made such a statement. Mr. Mayhew repeated the offer later on television, and in the House of Commons and broadened it to include genocidal statements by other Arab leaders. As he explained in a letter to the Manchester Guardian:

“I made this 5000 pound offer with a quite serious intention. I wanted to help reassure Jewish people that, in spite of much Israeli propaganda to the contrary, responsible Arab leaders are not genocidal. Those who try to suggest otherwise are seriously mistaken and merely help to increase the fear and hatred in the Middle East which does so much to prevent a peaceful settlement.”

During the following four years Mr. Mayhew received a steady trickle of letters from eager claimants, each one producing some blood-curdling quotation from an Arab leader, usually culled straight from one pro-Israeli publication or another. Mr. Mayhew replied to each claimant, explaining that the quotation was mistranslated, wrongly attributed or invented, as the case might be, but always adding that if the claimant was not satisfied he could take him to court.
Eventually, one claimant, a Mr. Warren Bergson, did take Mr. Mayhew to court. Bergson issued a writ during the October 1974 General Election for Parliament at a time when Mr. Mayhew was contesting the constituency of Bath.
In February 1976 the case was heard. Significantly, Mr. Bergson was unable to offer evidence of Nasser’s alleged statement. Instead, he produced a genocidal threat alleged to have been made by the then Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, in 1948. When Mr. Mayhew produced the original statement in Arabic, however, the claimant was unable to deny that his English version was a flagrant and apparently deliberate mistranslation.”
From: Facts & Fables: The Arab-Israeli Conflict by Clifford A. Wright
http://www.answerway.com/expertans.php?category=369& expertname=abirl&catnam=Breaking+News
see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Mayhew

 
At 28/12/08 1:08 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Christopher_Mayhew

RE:Bergson Allegation

 
At 28/12/08 1:17 pm, Blogger Brewerstroupe said...

From the link:
"but the Egyptians had by that time closed the straits of Tiran, which was a military act. It is like a man choking you and then saying "If you yell I will murder you."

Less than 5% of Israel’s trade flowed through the Straits and was easily re-routed. Nasser knew this as did the Israelis. It was a token gesture in protest at Israel’s behaviour in the Golan and Nasser offered a moratorium on it almost as soon as it was announced, along with an offer to have the World Court arbitrate the issue.
http://www.ussliberty.org/orenbook.htm

Of course the entry is disputed. One simple way to defeat it would be to check the court records and Hansard. The disputers have not done this. Why not?

 
At 28/12/08 1:29 pm, Blogger Brewerstroupe said...

No doubt the next rabbit out of the hat will be Nasser's "ordering" the U.N. out.

Why did Nasser request the withdrawal of UNEF?

Two reasons. Intelligence provided by the Soviets convinced him that Israel was about to attack and he was concerned that UNEF would be in the firing line and he would be blamed for any casualties. One must bear in mind that UNEF was there at Nasser’s invitation subsequent to the attack on Egypt by Israel/Britain/France in ‘56. Nasser requested that they be stationed on Israel’s side of the border. Israel refused. The second reason, to which I attach little weight, is that he was taunted by both Israel and other Arab States with “hiding behind the U.N.’s skirts”.

U Thant (U.N. Secretary General)said in his memoir that the war could have been avoided had Israel complied with this request.

One must understand the context of the times. Israel was harassing the Syrians to clear the ground for their diversion of the Jordan River:
Moshe Dayan, Israel’s defence minister at the time, said that 80 per cent of these confrontational episodes were planned and executed by Israel. When asked if the Syrians initiated cross-border wars of attrition from the Golan Heights, he stated:
“It went this way: We would send a tractor to plough some place where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the demilitarised area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end [the] Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.
“And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was.”
Moshe Dayan says Israel lured the Arabs into battles they would lose.
In April 1967, one of these Israeli provocations became a full-fledged aerial battle with the Syrians. The Israelis shot down six Syrian planes, including one over Damascus.
At this point Gamal Abdel Nasser, president of Egypt, was highly criticised for his ineffectiveness and was seen as simply an orator, and not a doer, for Arab nationalism and unity. He signed a defense pact with Syria and sent troops into the Sinai hoping to deter an Israeli attack. With 50,000 of his first rank forces bogged down in Yemen, the forces available to him were ill-equipped and took up defensive positions only. It was at this point that Israel attacked.
One interesting theory has it that Israel’s attack was prompted by fears that Nasser planned a surgical strike on Israel’s nuclear weapons facility at Dimona.

Further reading:
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/arabunity/2008/03/2 008525184024810153.html

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/israel/gat1967.pdf

 
At 28/12/08 1:44 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions, in favor of a Partition Plan that created the State of Israel.

That's what I meant by "THE WORLD"; even with the abstentions, the motion carries.

The fact that the directly involved parties did not agree with every tenet of the Plan means nothing; that's what the bargaining table is for.

So there's going to be an Israel. Deal with it as adults.

In peace.

 
At 28/12/08 1:51 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In fact the partition plan did not go into effect. Israel unilaterally declared itself a State and the ethnic cleansing began.

 
At 28/12/08 1:54 pm, Blogger Brewerstroupe said...

"So there's going to be an Israel. Deal with it as adults."

Adults who recognise historic injustices endeavour to repair them

 
At 28/12/08 1:55 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, you're missing the point. Once the planet decided that there was going to be a jewish state, and it was to be Israel, the rest is details. Whether Israel or anyone else liked it. Or not.

 
At 28/12/08 3:24 pm, Blogger Muslims Against Sharia said...

Hypocrisy in Action:
Where were Egypt, Russia, OIC, EU, Britain, Sarkozy, US & Austria when Hamas was pounding Israel with daily barrage of rockets?

http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/12/hypocrisy-in-action.html

 
At 28/12/08 3:37 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

123 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,050 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/


- where have you been?

 
At 28/12/08 10:09 pm, Blogger hahajohnnyb said...

The US must take a leadership role against Israel and stand up for justice for the Palestinians. Israel is worse by large measure than any other country that has ever existed in modern times. Yes even worse than Saddam's Iraq or Hitler's Germany. Israel must recognize Palestine as an equal nation of the Earth, pull out of occupied zones, stop imprisoning their entire nation and imposing forced starvation on them, or else the world should come together to destroy the State of Israel.

Cutting off foriegn aid is not enough for the US at this point because the US has enabled Israel to sustain its 40 year campaign of terror against the Palestinians. Either it stops right now, or we finish what Hitler started and wipe your evil synagog of Satan off the planet.

 
At 29/12/08 1:03 am, Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

hahajohnnyb:
It was fine up until:
"Either it stops right now, or we finish what Hitler started and wipe your evil synagog of Satan off the planet."
- that's when you become a genocidal, Hitlerian anti-semite - and that's the bit where I lost you.

 
At 29/12/08 9:50 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah hahajohnnyb, don't be so obvious about it. You're not supposed to say "Jews", you're supposed to say "Zionists" like Bomber does.
Gotta keep that fig-leaf over the lefty/islamist antisemitism...

 
At 30/12/08 1:58 am, Anonymous sether said...

Apparently no one can say anything negative about anything Israel does. They seem to be in an untenable position. Much like Mexicans in the USA, Israelis need palestinians to do jobs they won't. Israel also needs water sources rooted in disputed territories. Paliestinians will overrun Israel in terms of population very soon unless many are killed on a regular basis.

 
At 30/12/08 1:32 pm, Blogger Paul said...

"Israel is worse by large measure than any other country that has ever existed in modern times. Yes even worse than Saddam's Iraq or Hitler's Germany."

"...the world should come together to destroy the State of Israel."

Are you really comfortable with those statements, Tim?

 
At 30/12/08 1:50 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Israel should be wiped out because it was a huge mistake creating it in the first place.

And the people who ramble on about 'holy land' should be locked in padded rooms.

 

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