National plan to quietly privatize prisons while media on holiday
Nats' goal: Tougher bail laws by Christmas
Criminals will soon find it harder to get bail as the National Government moves immediately to get tough on law and order. Justice Minister Simon Power said repealing bail laws passed by the Labour-led Government would be a priority when Parliament sat next month. National will return to a law that says bail will not be given if there is any risk to the public, rather than the more qualified "real or substantial risk" of Labour's legislation. The tougher definition is likely to result in an increase in the number of people being remanded in prison after being charged with criminal offences. Mr Power said the bail amendment would be put through Parliament under urgency when MPs returned on December 9 for a two-week sitting.
The aim was to reverse the bail changes by Christmas. "It is extremely important that we send an early signal that public safety is the number-one issue on our minds in the law and order area," he said. "The previous Government had lowering the prison population as their primary concern. We believe that should be a secondary consideration."
A new prison, in a yet-to-be-revealed location, was also being planned to cope with the extra prisoners.
Public safety? Since when the hell did any politician work over time during the holidays for public safety? This isn’t going to be rushed through urgency while the news media go on holiday to Fiji for ‘public safety’, this is going to be rushed through because Simon (a Politician who has done more to convince NZers that Prison is a 3 star hotel and who also called to shut this blogsite down) intends to start the privatization agenda of prisons without the pesky media asking questions about such a mammoth change in our prison system. Nice to see the exact same private prison industry that Simon wants to bring quietly here over the holidays has resulted in an indictment in America against Dick Cheney..
Cheney, Gonzales indicted in South Texas county
Cheney is charged with engaging in an organized criminal activity related to the vice president's investment in the Vanguard Group, which holds financial interests in the private prison companies running the federal detention centers. It accuses Cheney of a conflict of interest and "at least misdemeanor assaults" on detainees because of his link to the prison companies.
Oh and while National are trying to implement Dick Cheney's prison system in NZ, let's also remember that they have adopted ACT's 3 strikes and you're screwed $3.5billion-$5.5billion vengence program through to select committee AND allowing police to take DNA samples from everyone arrested for an offence for which they could be sentenced to jail, note you won't have your DNA taken if you are CONVICTED of a crime, the cops will take DNA off us for merely being ARRESTED that is a massive erosion of your rights when under arrest that simply hasn't been discussed in the media.
The myth of the Nanny State is spent, now we have the reality of the Daddy State, how's that change feeling NZ? Does it feel like Barack Obama yet folks?
posted by Bomber @ 7:38 am
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The remand unit I worked in was over-flowing as it was. making it harder to get bail will see a lot of minor crims (or innocent people) spending weeks, months - or years - on remand with murderers.
As laws go, this will be another dumb one based on unfounded belief.
NACTional specialised in pandering to unfounded belief during the election campaign.
But we all get to suffer the long term consequences. In my experience working in prisons, prison makes more and better criminals. The gangs would have trouble sustaining their existence without prisons for recruiting and locking in their esprit de corps.
Putting more people into remand with gang members makes them MORE likely to go the wrong way.....not less.
The myth of the Nanny State is spent, now we have the reality of the Daddy State, how's that change feeling NZ?
If it means that scum like william bell and Graeme Burton won't be able to murder innocent people while out on bail then that change feels pretty damn good.
Interesting to note that you don't bother to talk about the victims of crime committed by perpetrators on bailor even cases of heinous crimes committed by the likes of Bell and Burton while on bail, why is that Bomber?
Fair call on the DNA testing though, I'd be happy for them to DNA test convicted crims though.
In my experience working in prisons, prison makes more and better criminals.
So what is your alternative? What do you suggest we do with violent criminals who poses a serious risk to society? What do you propose we do to stop gangs recruiting in jail?
Let's hear what you think could be done differently. Please don't start waffling about root causes, tell us what could be done to control the violent criminal menaces to society that we currently have to deal with.
If it means that scum like william bell and Graeme Burton won't be able to murder innocent people while out on bail then that change feels pretty damn good.
I've always wondered how long was Burton in prison and what was his decompression time?
Interesting to note that you don't bother to talk about the victims of crime committed by perpetrators on bailor even cases of heinous crimes committed by the likes of Bell and Burton while on bail, why is that Bomber?
They are human tragedies for everyone involved and I don't know how much more media wind up the situation ever needs seeing as we have public policy malformed by anger and hate now.
Fair call on the DNA testing though, I'd be happy for them to DNA test convicted crims though.
Hey if you are convicted of a serious crime you have to give up certain rights and being DNA tested is fine for someone CONVICTED - but come on the cops can arrest you for anything, that doesn't give them the right to DNA test you.
I've always wondered how long was Burton in prison and what was his decompression time?
I don't see how that makes a difference, he was out on bail and wasn't suppervised properly and he killed someone. If they can't supervise him properly or if he is such a handfull that they can't do it properly no matter how hard they tried, he should never have been let out in the first place, end of story.
They are human tragedies for everyone involved and I don't know how much more media wind up the situation ever needs seeing as we have public policy malformed by anger and hate now.
These human trgedies could so easily have been avoided, simply by not letting these shitheads out on bail. It is all very well having a go at the media, but what do you expect them to do? Ignore the fact that these heinous crimes were committed by men who quite clearly should not have been let out?
Hey if you are convicted of a serious crime you have to give up certain rights and being DNA tested is fine for someone CONVICTED - but come on the cops can arrest you for anything, that doesn't give them the right to DNA test you.
I think I worded my responce incorrectly, I agree with you that you shouldn't have to give DNA over just because you have been arrested.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't already a pretty massive DNA data base in existence? From about 1973 (I think) all or most new born babies had a small blood sample taken to test for various diseases and conditions, and these are all held on file. I seem to recall police being interviewed on TV saying that they used this from time to time in the most serious circumstances.
"DNA taken if you are CONVICTED of a crime, the cops will take DNA off us for merely being ARRESTED that is a massive erosion of your rights when under arrest that simply hasn't been discussed in the media."
If you're not committing crimes why would you care if they have your DNA or not?
Why not go and give the police a sample of your DNA Ben, just to prove that you haven't committed any of their unsolved crimes?
I personally don't like giving any public or private organisation any information about me that they don't need to have.
Convicted pack rapist and dirty cop Brad Shipton is out of prison after serving just three years of an eight and a half year sentence.
No doubt this particular case of early release pisses you off Bomber. Now you know how the rest of us feel when some filth walks free early because of good behaviour
Are you ever going to post on the victims of crime or continue to side with the criminals?
Thank god we are starting to get some sensible policies..after all the crap we've had to put up with I thought National might fudge a few of these issues...but bail if there is any perceived risk...REALLY like the use of the word any there...I mean we know what parole boards are like at determining risk levels...so the less wriggle room for the beauracrats the better.
And DNA for those who are arrested..top notch!!! That's gonna make future policing and crime resolution a hell of a lot easier.
Easy. Release all non-violent crims now to free up room for violent crims. Move them all to home detention.
Also..
If you're not committing crimes why would you care if they have your DNA or not?
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When they locked up the social democrats,
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When they came for the trade unionists,
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When they came for the Jews,
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"The myth of the Nanny State is spent, now we have the reality of the Daddy State, how's that change feeling NZ? Does it feel like Barack Obama yet folks?"
Obama advocates a harder line against the Iranians as well as launching border raids into Pakistan to neutralise the taliban.
Do you like the reality of that change or are you still high on the audacity of hope?
I never realised the Nazis might make a comeback!
Now I'm really worried.
start with the DNA testing for crims and eventually itll wind up in your home. you can pretend it wont all you like but you let em start it its never going to end
Obama advocates a harder line against the Iranians as well as launching border raids into Pakistan to neutralise the taliban.
Do you like the reality of that change or are you still high on the audacity of hope?
Has Obama been sworn in yet? Is he the actual President right now? Has he showjn us the way National and ACT have what they intend to do by way of the TABOR policy?
No, but these were part of his campaign policies so we should be seeing a more aggressive approach soon which as an Obama supporter you will be pleased to note.
I do like his unequivocal support for Israel through.
Is this the change you wanted bomber?
Right, so he's not actually President yet, in fact he isn't actually President until 20th January is he? However in NZ ACT and National have shown us what the intend to do via TABOR which does allow me to ask how NZ liked that change, when Obama actually becomes President and starts to implement policy that I dislike I will be critical then.
Show me a president, republican or democrat that hasn't supported Israel.
I'm concerned that your new found obamamania will blind you to his flaws.
"When Obama actually becomes President and starts to implement policy that I dislike I will be critical then."
You were critical about John Key right from the very start - even before he was sworn in as Prime Minister. Why the double standard?
LS
You were critical about John Key right from the very start - even before he was sworn in as Prime Minister. Why the double standard?
Because I was critical of National's policies from day one.
Well, granted.
But does that mean you agree with every single one of Obama's campaign policies?
LS
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