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Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Maurice accidentally reveals agenda and gets a smack for being excited


Nats do fast u-turn over road-tolls gaffe
National is reversing away from an embarrassing blunder by one of its most senior MPs, Maurice Williamson, who now says he was wrong to suggest drivers might pay road tolls of $50 a week if his party becomes the government. National swung into full damage-control mode yesterday to limit fallout from Mr Williamson's weekend comments, which leader John Key has disowned and political opponents have seized upon. Mr Williamson said on Sunday that he didn't know anyone who wouldn't pay a $3 to $5 toll for a new road if they were going to save 40 minutes of commuting time - an equation that potentially added up to $50 a week. He also named five major projects that could be tolled, including the next harbour crossing in Auckland and the Waterview tunnel. But yesterday, Mr Williamson issued a statement to "clarify" that National would not be imposing $50 a week of road tolls on motorists as he had freely discussed in interviews. "I am passionate about roading projects and unfortunately let my enthusiasm go unchecked," he said. "In the National Party we are in the business of reducing people's costs, not increasing them." The gaffe is the latest in a string of mistakes in major policy areas that National MPs have had to correct or clarify in recent months. From KiwiSaver employer contributions to the sale of state-owned Kiwibank, National leader John Key has had to publicly say his MPs got it wrong three times since late May. Yesterday, he said Mr Williamson had got "overexcited" and his comments were not National's policy.

Ouch, Key spat out Maurice ‘got excited’ about 4 times in his interview as he publicly spanked Maurice for releasing policy on Agenda. How come we have to always wait 24 hours for National to clarify their position away from what they’ve just revealed. See why 50% of NZers polled last week don’t believe National, everytime we see some of their user pays agenda Key quickly smothers it, 3 times now since May. So what is it National, $50 a week for tolls on motorways built with our taxes which we will have to borrow for and pay interest on or not? How could Maurice get it wrong, he’s a front bencher and possible Infrastructure Minister so how did he get the entire policy completely wrong, or is it the real policy but Key doesn’t want it out yet? How do we really know what National are actually standing for when they don’t seem to know what they are standing for?

You can’t make this stuff up.

38 Comments:

At 26/8/08 7:03 am, Anonymous lock and load said...

No way, why can't National get their story straight? I'm really looking forward to hearing from the anonymous posters here who support National explaining this one.

 
At 26/8/08 7:26 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

so National will give $50 a week in tax cuts and Maurice will take it away with his tolls? WTF? Does National not want to win?

 
At 26/8/08 7:34 am, Anonymous lol said...

why would Maurice get it wrong, he's their front bencher on transport, how could he get his own policy so wrong, just like Kate Wilkenson did and Bill English did, do National actually know their own policy or not?

 
At 26/8/08 7:56 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And it doesn't say much for the leadership of the party either. Seems like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is up to.

NS

 
At 26/8/08 8:18 am, Anonymous red man said...

I'm really looking forward to hearing from the anonymous posters here who support National explaining this one.

Same, where are they, I really want this explained to us.

 
At 26/8/08 8:32 am, Anonymous Legio X said...

What are you Leftards getting so excited about?

How can Williamson saying what he said be part of a secret agenda when he said to the Press?

Hahahahahaha , grasping at straws.

Oh, anything to take attention away from the good trashing you're going to get at the ballot box in a couple of months huh?

When is Helen going to announce the election anyway?

When are Labour going to release some policy?

Are the Greens going to commit political suicide by voting for the ETS?

Much more important things going on than a minor gaffe by National, but I guess you guys have to grab anything you can when things are looking so bad for you, aye?

 
At 26/8/08 8:44 am, Anonymous lock and load said...

Is legio bi-polar? I think you would be hard pressed not to admit this is damaging, and it comes across as very desperate.

 
At 26/8/08 8:47 am, Anonymous SeaJay said...

LegioEx, Maurices proposals: a minor gaffe? are all these 'slips' minor gaffes? Legio on the Titanic, 'oh, that iceberg we touched? a minor gash', all of these minor gaffes build up in our minds as the secretive untrustable selection of mediocre white men that Natzional look like and are. Look Forward to all LegioExs postings after the election when yr party hits the bottom and stays down there.

 
At 26/8/08 8:56 am, Anonymous lol said...

Legio X said...
What are you Leftards getting so excited about?

How can Williamson saying what he said be part of a secret agenda when he said to the Press?

Hahahahahaha , grasping at straws.

Oh, anything to take attention away from the good trashing you're going to get at the ballot box in a couple of months huh?

When is Helen going to announce the election anyway?

When are Labour going to release some policy?

Are the Greens going to commit political suicide by voting for the ETS?

Much more important things going on than a minor gaffe by National, but I guess you guys have to grab anything you can when things are looking so bad for you, aye?


Legio you are so out of touch if you honestly believe that, this does matters, it goes to the core of the trust people feel towards National and it makes John Key look weak, he has had to pull up 3 of his MPs now.

 
At 26/8/08 9:00 am, Anonymous Legio X said...

Lock and load - Its far less damaging than Helen keeping a man who's about to be revealed as a corrupt lying thief as her Foreign Minister.

I'd watch the house sessions this week if I was you.

seajay - instead of writing comments on blogs how about you go back to school and learn to write in a legible manner? I couldn't make head or tail of that pap you've posted above.

What with you Leftards? you all seem to only be semi literate.

I guess this is our sterling education system shining through huh?

 
At 26/8/08 9:12 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lock and load - Its far less damaging than Helen keeping a man who's about to be revealed as a corrupt lying thief as her Foreign Minister.

I'd watch the house sessions this week if I was you.

seajay - instead of writing comments on blogs how about you go back to school and learn to write in a legible manner? I couldn't make head or tail of that pap you've posted above.

What with you Leftards? you all seem to only be semi literate.

I guess this is our sterling education system shining through huh?


That's all you've got Legio? That's it? You don't even try and defend the gaffe or explain it away! Ouch, that speaks volumes

 
At 26/8/08 9:14 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hold on, isn't legio the bitter chick who believes global warming is a hoax?

Don't feed the trolls folks

 
At 26/8/08 9:16 am, Anonymous lock and load said...

Lock and load - Its far less damaging than Helen keeping a man who's about to be revealed as a corrupt lying thief as her Foreign Minister.

1: What has that got to do with Maurice? Explain the policy, $50 tolls per week or not and why didn't Maurice know what the policy is?

 
At 26/8/08 9:16 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"and it makes John Key look weak, he has had to pull up 3 of his MPs now."

So when is the former Labour MP"s Philip Fields trial for slavery start?
What happened to the former Labour MP Benson Pope, who assaults children?
So who was the Labour MP who was driving drunk?
Oh thats right, Ruth Dyson, the same woman who gave her husband and mate juicy DHB contracts.

I understand Helen Clark had to "pull up" these three MP"s.
Did it make her look weak?

Nah. People forget.
As they will with National MP's gaffes.

 
At 26/8/08 9:18 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"hold on, isn't legio the bitter chick who believes global warming is a hoax?

Don't feed the trolls folks"

That would be the same anon that doesn't want a referendum on MMP.

Why do you hate democracy anon?

 
At 26/8/08 9:45 am, Anonymous lol said...

"and it makes John Key look weak, he has had to pull up 3 of his MPs now."

So when is the former Labour MP"s Philip Fields trial for slavery start?
What happened to the former Labour MP Benson Pope, who assaults children?
So who was the Labour MP who was driving drunk?
Oh thats right, Ruth Dyson, the same woman who gave her husband and mate juicy DHB contracts.

I understand Helen Clark had to "pull up" these three MP"s.
Did it make her look weak?

Nah. People forget.
As they will with National MP's gaffes.


That's not true, those Labour MPs have had their effect that's why Labour has taken a hiding in the Polls, where as the National Party gaffs are all happening weeks out from the election, especiallly as National try to shut down any suggestion they have a secret agenda.

 
At 26/8/08 9:47 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"hold on, isn't legio the bitter chick who believes global warming is a hoax?

Don't feed the trolls folks"

That would be the same anon that doesn't want a referendum on MMP.

Why do you hate democracy anon?

What are you talking about? I was saying doesn't legio believe global warming is all one big hoax, so why should we take anything she has to say seriously?

 
At 26/8/08 10:03 am, Anonymous sdm said...

"I was saying doesn't legio believe global warming is all one big hoax, so why should we take anything she has to say seriously"

Well considering a considerable number of scientists dont believe in anthropogenic global warming, it seems to me you are dismissing people on ideological rather than scientific grounds.

 
At 26/8/08 10:08 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT THE FUCK? Scott you're defending Legio of all people? Legio? And what is this you .... it seems to me you are dismissing people on ideological rather than scientific grounds. this coming from someone who blurted out how much they hated labour, HATED Labour is wagging their finger at dismissing people on ideological rather than scientific grounds?

What a joke

 
At 26/8/08 10:10 am, Anonymous lock and load said...

Scott you are defending legio? That's the last thing I ever expected to see.

 
At 26/8/08 10:14 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What are you talking about? I was saying doesn't legio believe global warming is all one big hoax, so why should we take anything she has to say seriously?"

What has global warming have to do about this blog?
It doesn't, it is just your attempt to deflect the argument.

So, as someone who hates democracy, why should we take you seriously?

Oh, and legio has said he is male, so if you want to be taken seriously, stop with the ad hominem attacks and just debate the issue, unless you yourself want to be considered a troll.

 
At 26/8/08 10:18 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Scott you are defending legio? That's the last thing I ever expected to see."

Whilst I am not Scott, and I don't support Legio's beliefs re; climate change, I fully support his right to have them, and to voice them.

 
At 26/8/08 10:20 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What has global warming have to do about this blog?
Well if she's as crazy as that, why take a flat earthers thoughts seriously?

It doesn't, it is just your attempt to deflect the argument.
The way legio did, legio didn't even mention Maurice, in fact neither do you, please explain why Maurice didn't know his own transport policy?

So, as someone who hates democracy, why should we take you seriously?
What? What is this Democracy thing you keep banging on about?

Oh, and legio has said he is male,
Has she? I was reading a thread where she referred to herself as female, is legio a male? Really?

 
At 26/8/08 10:23 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whilst I am not Scott, and I don't support Legio's beliefs re; climate change, I fully support his right to have them, and to voice them.

Oh Yes, I think they should be able to voice them too, it's good to know who the really crazy ones are.

 
At 26/8/08 10:31 am, Anonymous sdm said...

My point was simple. It was said "I dont take Legio seriously because he believes GW is a hoax" So?

Its not even relavent to this. That was my point. Its like often when i debate foreign policy, people come back with "oh Scott's pro-Israel, ignore him" even if israel isn't the topic.

It actually shows an interlectual weakness on the part of those arguing against legio.

 
At 26/8/08 10:36 am, Anonymous lock and load said...

That's the icing on the cake, not only is Scott defending legio, people who argue against Legio are intellectually weak?

Oh Scotty weren't you the one who declared they hated labour, I mean HATED Labour and you are lecturing the rest of us on bias?

 
At 26/8/08 10:43 am, Anonymous sdm said...

Lock and load: Considering I campaigned for them in the last few elections, perhaps you should reconsider.

 
At 26/8/08 10:46 am, Anonymous lock and load said...

Lock and load: Considering I campaigned for them in the last few elections, perhaps you should reconsider.
No way - are you trying to say you didn't post online here at Tumeke that you HATE Labour? Please don't embarrass yourself here Scott, you've already lost a lot of respect this morning, you aren't going to cross the final threshold are you?

 
At 26/8/08 10:49 am, Anonymous sdm said...

I posted it, and then withdrew and said it was over the top

 
At 26/8/08 11:44 am, Blogger Bomber said...

let's not roast Scott, he is an honourable blogger. Of course everyone has a right to an opinion, but not every opinion is valid, readers need to work out if Legio is a valid opinion or not, but there is no question Legio has a right to it.

 
At 26/8/08 12:23 pm, Anonymous sdm said...

I work in a building company. If I have less time with my staff sitting in traffic and me paying them, but being unable to charge them out, then I am ahead. If it cost me $50 a week yet I was able to save 1 hr a day (30 mins every morning and afternoon) then I am ahead.

 
At 26/8/08 12:38 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

I'm actually a hermaphrodite as far as you plebs are concerned.

And whilst I don't need anyone to defend me against such lightweights as -

Well if she's as crazy as that, why take a flat earthers thoughts seriously?

Cheers for defending my right to have my own opinion.

Anyone who thinks GW/CC is settled science is a fool.

Anyone who wants to commit us, as a country, to a hugely expensive scheme(in taxes, job losses, loss of production, reduced manufacturing ability) to reduce our output of something (carbon) that is not been proven to have any effect on whatever temperature changes are occurring on Earth (and there's no proof that these are anything other than normal changes within normal cycles) is an idiot.

The information that the IPCC has based their entire scaremongering on has been proven to be at least suspect if not completely false.

Because of these falsehood you now have the situation of political activists on the Left saying 'we need to do this to save the Earth' and businessmen on the Right eyeing up the bonanza of a $1 trillon (conservative estimate of US market alone) carbon 'market'.

Can any of you genius's tell me who's going to pay that $1trillion dollars?

I'll give you a hint -

Not Goverenment
Not Business

Anyway - how about that Maurice aye?

 
At 26/8/08 1:11 pm, Anonymous illuminatedtiger said...

A hermaphrodite legio? No you're just plain retarded, bro.

 
At 26/8/08 3:33 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

Why Illumuntated, you promote yourself as such an intelligent chap yet your words are that of a first class fuckwit.

If I was retarded does that mean my opinion is not valid?

You could just try answering the question -

Can any of you genius's tell me who's going to pay that $1trillion dollars?

...especially in light of it being announced that the Green Party is going to support the ETS.

The Governments own report had the cost of this legislation at $4000 per NZ'er per year by 2012.

Thats right, $76.90 per week in extra costs that all those big bad business s are going to pass on to their customers.

Seventy six dollars and ninety cents that you and me and everyone else in this country isn't going to have to pay their bills.

Do you have $76.90 to spare every week Tiger?, do you?

Well if you did, you don't any more.

The Greens have just signed their own execution order.

I for one will be cheering them on to the block.

 
At 26/8/08 3:51 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd be throwing genetically modified tomatoes.

 
At 26/8/08 4:59 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh look, it appears the Labour party is going to introduce tolls.

Lets blast National for having a secret agenda, then steal their ideas.

You can't make this suff up.

 
At 26/8/08 7:25 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thats right, $76.90 per week in extra costs that all those big bad business s are going to pass on to their customers.

I really can not wait until the dumb motherfuckers who get all up tight about global have to start paying for the knee-jerk policies they support.

 
At 26/8/08 8:01 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

National’s Plans For Roads

http://election08.scoop.co.nz/national%E2%80%99s-plans-for-roads-blogging-biden/

 

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