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Thursday, May 29, 2008

Make kids respect the law by disrespecting their rights


Government rejects drug testing
The Government has ruled out adopting an expensive plan for drug testing in schools and workplaces. The rejection of the proposal, which would have cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars and was based on models used in the United States, follows an admission this month by Justice Minister Annette King that police are losing the fight against pure methamphetamine, or P. A former detective who runs the drugs education service MethCon put the case yesterday for a "zero-tolerance" approach to drugs. The Australian National Council on Drugs, that country's principal advisory body on drug policy, spent a year looking at evidence from around the world on drug testing in schools. In a report issued in March, it concluded there was insufficient evidence of any proven benefits. That report found saliva and urine tests were notoriously unreliable and caused considerable hostility and mistrust. There was also the risk of increased truancy and students switching to less detectable substances. The Australian report estimated the cost at $NZ432 million to conduct a single saliva test a year for each Australian student. Urine tests were slightly cheaper, at $371m. Random testing of just 10 per cent of the school population three times a year would cost more than $100m, while weekly random testing in all schools would cost taxpayers billions.

Look, I don’t have much confidence in coming down like a ton of bricks on people over things like drugs, if you are truly an addict and are sick, then how the hell does putting you into a prison help solve your sickness? Now sure go after the organized crime that sells the stuff and profits from it, but you need clever tools to do that – LIKE the SFO in it’s old format with the powers to compel evidence, go after organized crime with forensic accountants which would be much more effective at pruning organized crimes ability to build profits and as for P itself, real simple – ban all pseudoephedrine products coming into the country, the drying up of the main ingredient would shut the entire industry down – but of course the legal pushers of that drug who make Billions would NEVER allow a government to ban their drug so we are left coming up with bullshit solutions like mass random testing of school kids – wars on drugs don’t work because to make people respect the law you destroy their rights, it’s like trying to force democracy at the end of an M16 barrel – the means are incompatible with the ends.

12 Comments:

At 29/5/08 8:59 am, Blogger MikeE said...

"an all pseudoephedrine products coming into the country, the drying up of the main ingredient would shut the entire industry down"

Lol... yeah right.

So not only are we denying the ability for people with legitmate needs for the drug to purchase it when sick, but we are also ignoring the fact that at NO time has prohibition of a susbtance EVER worked.

Better to allow safer legal alternatives, and treat drug harm like a health issue rather than a law and order issue.

Once again Bomber proves that he's a conservative pretending to be a liberal.

 
At 29/5/08 9:16 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Err Bomber, the govt have said they are not going to do this. It was a proposal put forward by a fringe grouop.

 
At 29/5/08 10:52 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It may have escaped your notice Bomber but it is already illegal to smuggle pseudoephedrine into NZ but it still happens all the time. Around 800 thousand tablets a year seized and Police admit that is just a small portion of what actually gets through. Now you can get all authoritarian and ban people with colds from buying even a single box at a time and getting their details taken at the pharmacy. But you are kidding yourself if you think that it will make much of a dent in the P trade. Smurfing has got to be the least efficient way of sourcing psuedo.

 
At 29/5/08 12:17 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those of us who have to work and look after a family Codral can be a help.

I am sick of having my rights taken away because of other peoples choices, I haven't done anything wrong with drugs so leave me alone and target those who have.

If there is one thing that should be banned (realistically is can't be of course) is cigarettes, they serve no useful purpose and the 'freedom' to smoke yourself to death is hardly a right worth defending.

Quite how banning me from taking a couple of Codral when I have a bad cold will have any impact on NZ's drug problem or banning me from having a glass of wine at the beach has helped NZ drinking problem are mysterys to me.

People make bad choices - they get fat, they smoke, they sit around on their backsides, use drugs, commit crimes, have kids they can’t care for ..... leave me alone and focus on them.

Many will choose to go to McDonalds today – good luck to them, I will choose to go for a run. If people choose to abuse themselves target that if you think it would help but please leave me alone.

Please sir can I have your permision to eat an apple now ...

 
At 29/5/08 12:35 pm, Blogger Paul said...

"wars on drugs don’t work because to make people respect the law you destroy their rights,"

But in this instance we are talking about kids, breaking the law, and harming themselves. They DON'T have the right to break the law, and anyone in charge of these kids has a responsibility to make sure that they're not breaking the law or harming themselves. Maybe, just maybe, people want to be able to drug test kids so that they have proof of the help they need and can make sure they get it, rather than only having suspicions and being stone walled by a system that would rather expel them or take them out of their homes?

Yeah, spend money on bringing down drug distribution, but how about spending some time and money on the kids caught up in it too? After all, they deserve more than the shitbag who sells them the shit.

 
At 29/5/08 1:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about the parent/child relationship? Is testing and increasing surveillance of children really the path to go down? If you've bought your children up well you shouldn't have much to worry about.

A much bigger danger to children than cannabis is alcohol, which most kids could get there hands on easily as it's sitting around at home. And alcohol doesn't stay in the system long enough to test for, unless the child is drunk at the time.

How long before all children get micro-chipped at birth so we can watch their every move?

 
At 29/5/08 1:21 pm, Blogger Ruth said...

Now sure go after the organized crime that sells the stuff and profits from it, but you need clever tools to do that – LIKE the SFO in it’s old format with the powers to compel evidence, go after organized crime with forensic accountants which would be much more effective at pruning organized crimes ability to build profits and as for P itself, real simple – ban all pseudoephedrine products coming into the country

Absolutely Bomber. But we have libertarian idiots whose REAL objection to the War on Drugs is that it interfers with the profit motive. Yet one stupid Libz woman objects to Hallensteins selling black and white scarves! I posted on it a couple of days ago.

No one has the right to destroy the life of anyone else via drug use.

 
At 29/5/08 3:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ruth - Until you can grasp the essential difference between having a moral position and forcing your moral position on others you should really avoid commenting on Libertarian philosophy.

Also TWOD has not removed the profit motive from the equation of selling drugs. A fact apparently lost on you but grasped firmly by even the most poorly educated gang members.

 
At 29/5/08 3:14 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet one stupid Libz woman objects to Hallensteins selling black and white scarves! I posted on it a couple of days ago.

She must be pretty stupid to not see the delicious irony of a company named "Hellensteins" (JOOOOOOS!!!) profiting from impressionable idiot middle-class kids trying to be trendy by wearing keffiyeh scarves.

 
At 29/5/08 3:25 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

PLO scarves are so passe donchanooo?

 
At 29/5/08 7:05 pm, Blogger Mr Grinch said...

Whether prohibitions work or not is debateable, but I'd rather see work done with families. It's a breakdown at the lowest level that leads to this kind of stuff, lack of ethics and morals.

 
At 4/6/08 3:24 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have 2 family members addicted to P and they have been for a few years now. They used to be good parents and fairly well off but that's all gone now. Both their kids know they are on drugs and they are really upset. One's left home and one comes to us every school holidays (both older kids). They never used to smoke pot or even drink but now it's P and booze, morning noon and night and they fight and beat each other up. I'm afraid they are going to kill each other one day. Our family are normal law abiding kiwis and we are devastated. Stop the ephedrine so they can't make it, I don't see any other way to stop it. It's not just gang members involved in the P epidemic.

 

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