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Sunday, April 27, 2008

The Sunday Newspaper Brunch Club


On the Sunday Newspaper Brunch Club today at 11am, Sky Digital 65, with the best political news team on television, AUT media lecturer, Wayne Hope, Bomber from Alt, Ben Thomas, Political Editor of the NBR and the last man to be convicted of sedition in NZ, blogger Tim Selwyn.

News that caught my eye –
1: From calling them running dogs at the beginning of the week, China now says they will meet the Dalai Lama. How about those aggressive pro-China protests, there’s one happening today in Aotea Square.

2: NYPD let off the 50 shots they gunned down an unarmed black guy on the night of his wedding – when you see how American Police treat their own citizens, is it so hard to believe they torture and beat Iraqi’s in their charge?

3: Israel snubs Hama offer of truce – even after that nice Jimmy Carter had done so much to talk to Hamas this week. Is Israel actually interested in peace? Oh and hasn’t the blaming Iran for trouble in Iraq become the theme from the Bush Administration all of a sudden again. Oh and the IDF is looking into a killing of a Reuters Cameraman shoot on film.

4: Environmental canary in the coalmine this week – massive decline in European-African bird migration and the sudden increase in Methane levels after being steady for 10years, we are in a La Nina cycle when we would see the opposite, a methane decrease so its not the traditional sources, it could be the frozen methane starting to melt, which could cause a runaway climate event.

5: Tracey Barnett in the Herald asking where our Olympians are with speaking out against China.

6: Report showing Police are blue – any surprise?

7: Hillary beats Obama – where now?


STORY 1 – ANZAC Day delusions
In the Herald on Sunday, Matt McCarten writes a column exploding our ANZAC Day myths, that many of the soldiers who signed up had been horse riding strike breakers who beat up striking workers, that we actively helped in the brutal suppression of the Boer, that the British Officers were idiots who ended up bombing the only NZ Officer who took the hills, that we don’t remember the Turkish dead and that the whole thing is a sugar pop wrapped Nationalistic feelgood handjob. How does everyone feel about ANZAC Day, does Matt have a point?

STORY 2 – Happy Valley: Spies have fingers in many government pies - sst
THE MINISTRY of Agriculture and Forestry quietly severed its contract with controversial private investigators Thompson and Clark Investigations last year, after the Sunday Star-Times revealed that TCIL's "corporate intelligence" included infiltrating and spying on community groups. Maf initially refused under the Official Information Act to confirm or deny any contract with the private investigators. However, when chief executive Murray Sherwin became aware of the issue the contract was cancelled.
Do anyone of us believe that TCIL weren’t infiltrating Happy Valley for Solid Energy, TCIL’s official position is that they were infiltrating Happy Valley activists because they were frightened for their security – LOL, yeah right that’s why you were infiltrating them.

STORY 3 –Parents use spyware to keep watch on kids - sst
NEW ZEALAND parents are spying on their children with special software secretly reading every Google search, website hit, chatroom conversation, email and MSN message and even every keystroke the child makes. Parents buy the programs, known as spyware, for between $35 and $130 and secretly install them on their child's computer. They can then watch screen shots in real time from another computer or order regular reports on their child's activity, which the program will compile and email to the parent. Some programs also email the parent immediately if they "sense" the child may be in danger online or is using unsuitable websites.
Paranoia or smart parenting?

STORY 4 - Soaring food prices force families to make compromises - sst
A Sunday Star-Times reader survey shows one-third of you are making significant changes to the way you shop, after a shocker of a year at the supermarket. Overall, groceries cost 9% more this March than they did last year. The biggest price rises are happening in the dairy aisle. Cheese is up more than 44%, milk almost 22% and butter an incredible 82%, since last year. Bread costs 12% more than last year and other healthy basics fruit and vegetables and red meat, poultry and fish are each up by almost 3%. Experts blame the worldwide demand for biofuels, and the increasing wealth of huge developing countries.
AND climate change – with the shadow of peak oil and climate becoming more unpredictable these conditions are only going to get worse aren’t they? See in America Wal-Mart has started putting food restrictions on rice sales per person – things are only going to get worse are they not? This is the market working isn’t it Ben Thomas? Haiti is having food riots, Egypt is running out of bread, West Africa is running out of rice, China and India have banned exports of rice. Time to dump bio-fuel subsidies? It is cheaper to buy NZ cheese in Australia than it is to buy it in NZ.

STORY 5 - Stop dithering over tax cuts says union - sst
UNION LEADER Andrew Little is warning of rising industrial action as workers seek to compensate for savage increases in the cost of living. And economists say they can't see any immediate relief for consumers with food, petrol and housing costs picked to keep rising. Petrol prices have rocketed 20% since March 2007 and last week hit $2 a litre for premium grade. Grocery food prices rose 9% and electricity 6% in the same period. BNZ chief economist Tony Alexander says motorists should budget for 91-octane fuel to cost $2 a litre in the next few months and warns it could climb to $2.20 by mid-2009.
Isn’t it time to seriously consider taking GST off fresh fruit and vegetables and non-produced food

FINAL WORD – Nicky Hager on the Let’s be Frank repeat 10pm tonight – and Dr Pita Sharples next on Lets be Frank Tuesday 8.30pm and Henry Rollins on Music Wank with Thane Kirby Wednesday 8.30pm

20 Comments:

At 27/4/08 10:46 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Matt McCarten is so damn right about the Anzac day illusion.

 
At 27/4/08 2:28 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, McCarten is incorrect and is fighting a losing battle. ANZAC Day is getting bigger each year and is far more important to the average New Zealander than Waitangi Day. Long may it continue!

 
At 27/4/08 3:10 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"ANZAC Day is getting bigger each year and is far more important to the average New Zealander than Waitangi Day. Long may it continue!"

Totally dude, who wants to see out PM, even if it is helen clark, spat on and abused by maori protestors.

 
At 27/4/08 6:05 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our men were sent in as canon fodder while the brits stood at the back. I don't want to celebrate that! Flung against cliffs while the Turks defending their country waited with machine guns. To fight and die for what?

 
At 28/4/08 11:25 am, Anonymous exclamation Mark said...

You clearly know NOTHING about the Gallipoli campaign fool, so perhaps you should STFU.

"Our men were sent in as canon fodder while the brits stood at the back

What a fucking ill-informed retarded thing to say. The ANZACs lost around 8000 men during the Battle. Between 33,000 and 40,000 British troops were killed. Feel like a dickhead now?

"does Matt have a point?"

No I don't think he does. He seems to going for his "aren't I brave, taking a swing at ANZAC day" Badge as several others like him have done in the past few years.

Gallipoli was a disastrous campaign and a poorly planned one at that.

What people seem to forget about NZ's part in WW1 is how much closer out ties were to Britain in that time, not sending our troops was out of the question.

People also forget how many of the ANZACs volunteered to go to war - while many young NZers are 5th, 6th plus generation NZers, but most NZers were only 1st or 2nd generation NZers then, so that was a huge motivation that is hard for us to relate to now.

"that we don’t remember the Turkish dead"

Wrong. if Matt had been to Gallipoli on ANZAC day, as many young kiwis and aussies have done and will continue to do, he would know about what a truly amazing and humbling experience it is to be welcomed by the Turkish people and to share a day of remembrance of our forefathers with the people of a nation we once battled.

What Matt doesn't seem to realise, or is wilfully ignoring is that people use ANZAC day to remember all of our fallen soldiers not just those from WW1. WW2 is still living memory for many people alive today, these Soldiers were the brothers, uncles, fathers and grandfathers of people alive today.
If you really feel you post bang on about some point to do with ANZAC day at least have some respect and do it some other time when people aren't remembering their loved ones and giving thanks for their sacrifices.

 
At 28/4/08 12:11 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"giving thanks for their sacrifices"

Wtf? Thankful for what? Being used as dead meat? freakin lunatics.

 
At 28/4/08 12:13 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Much like those idiots who went to fight in Vietnam. What did the Vietnamese ever do to us to deserve that?

 
At 28/4/08 2:44 pm, Anonymous exclamation Mark said...

"Wtf? Thankful for what? Being used as dead meat? freakin lunatics.
So you don't think fighting against German and Japanese fascism was worth while? the invasion of Poland and Czech was something that the rest of the world should have ignored? You think the extermination of Jews, gypsys, homosexuals etc wasn't woth going to war over?

What a sad looser.


Much like those idiots who went to fight in Vietnam. What did the Vietnamese ever do to us to deserve that?

So all you can do to bolster your argument is to try and lump the WW1 and WW2 into the same boat as the Vietnam war? Pathetic.

Just like Anon at 27/4/08 2:28 PM said, the battle you two retards is lost, ANZAC Day is getting bigger each year and the disingenuous whining of the likes of you becomes increasingly insignificant.

 
At 30/4/08 8:42 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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So what about the British bombing malone when he finally got to the top and then blaming Malone when it was Britsih incompetance?

I think we need to remember the madness of war don't we and the death mincer so many of our young were sent to? I agree World War 2 was a fight that needed fighting, but I can't see your justification for the other wars we have been involved in.

 
At 30/4/08 10:11 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a fucking ill-informed retarded thing to say. The ANZACs lost around 8000 men during the Battle. Between 33,000 and 40,000 British troops were killed. Feel like a dickhead now?

If we lost 8,000 compared to the brits total, given the population sizes we lost a whole deal more than anybody. Cannon fodder is exactly the right description.

 
At 30/4/08 10:13 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do we have to celebrate such a worthless, monstrous defeat such as Gallipoli? For such a worthless cause. What a waste of time.

 
At 30/4/08 11:39 am, Anonymous exclamation Mark said...

So what about the British bombing malone when he finally got to the top and then blaming Malone when it was Britsih incompetance?

Utterly disgracefully.
As I said Bomber: Gallipoli was a disastrous campaign and a poorly planned one at that.
As were many of the other battles NZ fought in e.g. the battle for Paschendale.
But saying that "while the brits stood at the back" etc is patently bullshit - the British soldiers - largely the working class, just like the ANZACs - who were killed are no less dead just because their leaders were idiots.

I think we need to remember the madness of war don't we and the death mincer so many of our young were sent to?

I agree, if you ever get a chance to go to Gallipoli and see rows upon rows of graves for boys as young as 15 or 16 - brings it all back to reality very quickly. What I am saying is at least let people grieve and remember their loved ones on ANZAC day, regardless of which war they fought in.

"but I can't see your justification for the other wars we have been involved in.

I don't think I am trying to justify our involvement in WW1, I am saying that most of our forces volunteered and wanted to go but even if they didn't want to, they probably wouldn't have had much choice in the matter given how closely we were still tied to Britain at that point - we were still part of the British Empire after all.

Vietnam is another story but do you really think ANZAC day is the right time to try and make a point about it? I doubt the vast majority of people who make the effort to attend dawn services around NZ are doing it for fallen Vietnam soldiers, but even if some of them are - why begrudge a family members mourning their loss on ANZAC day?

If we lost 8,000 compared to the brits total, given the population sizes we lost a whole deal more than anybody.

Wow. Three days and that's the best you can come up with? You are clearly back peddling on your oh so fucking dumb "while the brits stood at the back" line now huh? Do a little research on the British losses at the Battle of the Somme before you open your stupid trap again fool.

 
At 30/4/08 11:56 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ANZACs lost around 8000 men during the Battle

Last I knew this happened at Gallipoli, not at the Somme you dumbass. Now the brits couldn't hide at the back at the Somme, they hid at the front of German machine guns haha.

 
At 30/4/08 12:08 pm, Anonymous exclamation Mark said...

Last I knew this happened at Gallipoli, not at the Somme you dumbass. Now the brits couldn't hide at the back at the Somme, they hid at the front of German machine guns haha.

What a pathetic individual you are, I totally destroyed your 'argument' and now it is clear why: You have no reading comprehension at all. Then to top it all off - after trying to play the peacenik - you have a laugh about people being machine gunned. What sad, clueless cunt you are.

 
At 30/4/08 12:13 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess they deserved to get gunned down because they wanna fight in some worthless, useless war.

 
At 30/4/08 12:15 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyhow you destroy nothing. every time I got to you, you twist everything you said around, all can see that. You are very sad my little friend.

 
At 30/4/08 12:39 pm, Anonymous exclamation Mark said...

"every time I got to you"

LOL! You NEVER got anybody sonny.

Your ignorance of British casualties with your "while the brits stood at the back" bollocks shows you up for the ignorant fool you are.

Your "guess they deserved to get gunned down" comment shows how little you care about human life and what a no-account scummy loser you are. Good luck getting anywhere in life with that attitude boy.

 
At 30/4/08 2:40 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually I care about human life very much, unless they waste it on some worthless cause such as a war like that, or in Vietnam, on in Iraq. And I do very well with my attitude.

 
At 30/4/08 2:41 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And would you remind of what is was that they were fighting for again? Was it for freedom and democracy? Pffft!

 
At 30/4/08 7:05 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Vietnam is another story but do you really think ANZAC day is the right time to try and make a point about it? I doubt the vast majority of people who make the effort to attend dawn services around NZ are doing it for fallen Vietnam soldiers, but even if some of them are - why begrudge a family members mourning their loss on ANZAC day?

Exclamation Mark makes a lot of very valid and reasoned arguements, many of which I agree with so I don't think anyone should attempt to paint Exclamation Mark out as some sort of war lover - and I also respect the fact that they put a name to their post so that it is identifiable and so a dialogue can be acheived, that is honourable.

You are right to say that everyone must grieve their dead in their own fashion, and hell I get a lump in my throat when I hear the last post as well, and I've had family involved in the Navy - but I suppose in our desperation to find a day we can all celebrate (because we are still unable to connect as a country over Waitangi Day) - we've clutched to ANZAC Day without any of the critical thinking element - I would just hate for us in these uncertain times to go rushing into the same mistake and if not ANZAC Day - when? I agree that this debate needs to be sensitive, much more sensitive than some of the anonymous posts here, but I also see in their posts the bottled up frustration that lack of critical debate produces. We should never ever ask our best and brightest to die meaninglessly again should we?

 

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