Open-door policy on migrants 'a danger'
Open-door policy on migrants 'a danger'
New Zealand First has suggested the door should be shut on Asian immigrants. Deputy leader Peter Brown said yesterday that there was a danger Asian "mini-societies" were being built in New Zealand. Statistics New Zealand said yesterday New Zealand's Asian population was expected to grow faster than any other. Government statistician Geoff Bascand said the four main ethnic populations - Maori, Pacific, Asian and European - would all increase but those who identify themselves as Asian would grow the most. A projected increase of 3.4 per cent a year would take the Asian population from 400,000 in 2006 to 790,000 by 2026. Mr Brown said the folly of New Zealand's "open-door" immigration policies was reflected in the latest population projections.
Now issues of race and immigration CAN be discussed in a rational way without the words, ‘racist’ or ‘xenophobe’ being thrown around, sadly Peter Brownshirt is really not the vessel for that message, nor is he through his thick Pommy accent, intellectually capable of holding such a debate. The irony of course is that while Peter is crying yellow peril, his party is signing a Free Trade Deal with China that includes in it an enforced immigration clause where China wipes tariffs with us if we agree to take immigrants from them. This is a first for a trade deal, and the reason why China is so keen to sign it with little old us is because we are small enough to be arm wrestled into accepting enforced immigration and China wants that as a blueprint for the rest of the World, when you have over a Billion people, you start exporting them.
And talking of Asian's coming to NZ and importing culture that as NZers we find offensive, how was this odd little story...
Craccum copies stolen over advert
An unusual theft at Auckland University has student leaders claiming attempted censorship. Around 800 copies of the student magazine Craccum were stolen and it's thought those responsible had taken offence at one of the advertisements. Thieves targeted Craccum bins at around mid-morning, when most students are barely awake, let alone involved in well organised dissent. Security video recorded the young men stacking the magazines and hastily loading them onto a getaway car. Daniel Sloan, the Craccum editor, says he has never seen thieves this organised before. The thieves say they stole the copies because of an advertisement in the magazine promoting people to buy tickets for a dance group that has links to the Falun Gong, the spiritual movement that is outlawed by China's government. They say they had asked Craccum to withdraw the advert because they believed it was too political. "We don't want to see these advertisements...it does not represent the Chinese people (the dance group) at all," said Jim Sun, on of the advertisement's opponent's.
...Ummmmmm, IF this isn't an April Fools day hoax, how appropriate is it for Chinese students to steal Craccum because Craccum has an advert for Falun Gong in it? As a former editor of Craccum I find this whole issue flys in the face of everything people at University should be champions of, how dare anyone from the largest dictatorship on Earth gag free speech in a country they are guests in because there is an advert from a group they persecute in their home country.
posted by Bomber @ 7:20 am
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16 Comments:
OK bomber, sell to me the idea, in a rational way, that Chinese immigration is a bad thing, without coming across as xenophobic and/or racist.222
We had this discussion in the 1990's, and New Zealand popular opinion has decisively rejected uncontrolled Asian immigration. The current Asians by and large are not integrated and have not been made welcome by the huge majority of European and Maori New Zealanders. Whether you like that fact or not thats a fact. Everyone knows it.
That the chattering classes will unite with the ruling elites to try and kill any debate on immigration by hysterically labelling any attempt to discuss the issue as inherently racist I don't doubt. But by doing so they will - like the 1990's - hand the immigration debate agenda to half wits like New Zealand First.
It is my view that it is not inherently racist to have the serious debate we should have had 15 years ago about what sort of demographic makeup and what sort of country we want as a result of immigration BEFORE some sort of anti-immigration party gets 20+ seats and demands the removal of hundreds and thousands of people who are already here. And if the outcome of that debate is we decide we want an immigration policy that retains as much as possible our current ethnic and cultural makeup that isn't a racist rejection of others - its an agreement about what sort of country WE want, a right we absolutely have.
When I talk to today's 25-32 year olds - the teenagers of the 1990's - the failure of our leadership elites in both main political parties to engage in a rational immigration debate still echoes in an appalling and unreconstructed anti-Asian sentiment. By and large, it seems to me the general view of this next leadership generation is that, in a time of recession, a large and unwelcome new competitive element was introduced into N.Z. that just made their lives tougher for no apparent gain for them. They still feel resentful and disempowered because they were not asked if they wanted this type of immigration here and they have not really altered in their views. Now, I don't know enough 13-20 year olds to even begin to guess what they think about Asian immigration but I would guess it wouldn't be much different from their previous peer group.
Wow - that has to be the best thought out anonymous post on Tu Meke this year, well done sir/madam!
Maori aren't immigrants to NZ as they were born here. Many non-Maori in NZ aren't immigrants because they were born here. The pseudo-argument based around the assertion of "We are all immigrants" is utter crap.
Zaouhi was a refugee. He didn't migrate here under the skilled migrants category, so I believe it is a different issue.
If immigrants arrive here in small numbers, they are more likely to integrate socially with those already here, than if they were to arrive in large numbers.
Let them in. They work hard, are largely law abiding and have tasty food.
Also, the white population seems unable to procreate and have babies, so we need some new faces to change the demographics of the country and further dilute any ridiculous claims of superiority/supremacy that Maori have over the rest of us. It'd be hard for any government to carry on with a policy of 'affirmative action' when the population is 50% white, 40% asian, 7,5% PI and 2.5% Maori!!! He he.
An immigrant.
all the time bomber look i just llok at that picture you got there that chinese girl with them garter belt mn things bomber, peterquixote
Its not the immigrants fault that they have to a culture which focuses on the family, reveres the elderly, encourages scholarship and academics and places great value on entrepenurship and self reliance.
If only they would embrace kiwi values then they would be fully fully integrated into our great nation.
Frankly, if they can speak English and handle a full time job, there shouldn't be a problem with migrants.
Unfortunately, many recent migrants don't even fulfill that basic criteria. The number of people (of ALL ethnic backgrounds) who struggle to maintain a basic interaction at the counter of my local supermarket is mind boggling.
Being able to speak the language would also aid the process of integration.
All under heaven
Bomber,
you have had 24 hours to tell us, in a rational way, why Chinese immigration is bad for NZ.
Are you going to tell us?
Btw, craccum issues have been stolen before, but nice of you to add that in, so you can use the racist canard "you are (guests) in our country now".
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Gosh that's a large chip on your shoulder isn't it? I've been reading some interesting comments here and soaking in the ideas there are many points of view, it's good to see we live in a country where the range of opinions can be expressed, unlike many other parts of the planet.
As for why Chinese immigration is bad for NZ, I thought I had made that very obvious, I don't think Chinese immigration is bad for NZ, those are your words you've put in my mouth for your point scoring, what I believe is that it is NEVER a good idea to EVER allow another country to dictate to you your terms of immigration, which is what this Free Trade Deal will be doing - my issue is with being bullied by the largest dictatorship in the world my dear anonymous poster.
Of course Craccum has been stolen in the past, being a past editor I am well versed in the history of Craccum thefts, however they have always in the past been over petty student politics, I can't however recall a Craccum that was stolen by Chinese students angry that a persecuted group in their home country had an advert in the magazine before, perhaps you could provide a date when that has happened before? As for the racist canard, "you are guests in our country now" - what part of that is racist? I am assuming that the Chinese student who stole Craccum because Falun Gong had an advert in it is a visiting Chinese student from China and is one of many overseas students the Auckland University cater for, and thus his slightly authoritarian world view of censorship hasn't been rubbed off yet by access to a more liberal culture, are you suggesting to me anonymous poster that this act of political censorship via theft was in fact carried out by a NZ Chinese student and that even after being a citizen of this country this person still feels strongly enough in support of the Communist Dictatorship to steal all the Craccums???????
"however they have always in the past been over petty student politics,"
Not true, do you remember that arab stole those craccum with the female dressed in a berka showing a bit of leg. I think it went as far someone at the craccum offices being punched in the head after the offices had been 'besieged' by muslims.
I'd rather have craccums stolen by temporary chinese students than be assaulted by people who were given refuge by NZ and who spat on our hospitlity and customs.
I was at a BNZ ATM in town the other day and the first screen prompt that came up was language options.
High immigration and low English language thresholds are a bad combination for this country. The stats from the Census will always under-count immigrants - and there are people living here officially as visitors (with there families)who are in actual fact residents but will never be recorded as such.
I am no longer surprised to see elderly immigrants around in such large numbers. Many of these people do not have the ability to hold a conversation at all with locals - and being so old, and language being such a difficult thing to learn - these people have no prospect of "integrating". I smiled at a Chinese-type old man the other day in the street and he gave me a brief wave that was one of those salutes with the hand raised above the head - the communist one. How much value is derived from this man? Immense amounts to his immigrant children who quite legitimately take advantage of our overly generous and unnecessary family (reunification?) policies, but seeing as how the government will end up paying his pension and his health care bills etc. it does not make economic sense to encourage young immigrants to drag their elderly parents into a country already facing a funding crisis over elderly health, housing and superannuation.
Now I realise some pensioners carry there own super or wealth with them and that there are reciprical agreements with some countries over paying state pensions - so I'm not saying it's all a net loss across the board. But throw in the usual social services and support that the elderly inevitably require and the bill could be quite a bit.
As to immigrants who keep saying that in the NZ context Maori are merely immigrants in the same way that they are - that shows a great deal of arrogance and deliberate misunderstanding of this nation's history. If immigrants are racist toward Maori then they should not be able to stay here. If they are here to reinforce a Pakeha regime to use the Crown against Maori - like many settlers of the past and recent past - then they should go and live in Australia.
"If they are here to reinforce a Pakeha regime to use the Crown against Maori - like many settlers of the past and recent past"
If they could put this on the application form it could confuse them. What would you think if you were applying for permanent residence and it said you would not be allowed in if you didn't help subvert the sovereign government representing the majority in order to put into power a group representing the minority.
You know what I mean, there isn't any way of putting those sorts of things in a form - people would just lie anyway. They should not be here, but they will come.
The ATM language options are indicative of many things, the most important being that it is becoming more and more convenient for non-English speakers to function in NZ without having to learn English. Govt. departments have things in other languages, banks are moving the same way and have had Chinese or Asian migrant specialist branches for many years now. Many retail shops are run by Chinese who cannot sustain a reasonable communication. It takes so much effort for both sides to understand each other. As such complex issues just cannot be dealt with. These are not quality service situations.
Having the immigration dept. within the Labour Department when 40% of immigrants aren't coming here under employment categories is part of the problem. The dept. is a joke - always has been. They refused to check for HIV/AIDS for years and years. The English language requirements - based on a street level survey that anyone in Auckland can carry out - is a total have... the wealth requirements that just turn out to be all borrowed money... "Business" category being another $2 shop... and the most ridiculous error of all, from a bureaucratic perspective, is their policy of having the applicants send them their own police reports etc. instead of finding out the truth themselves - which requires them to make an effort. What dodgy immigrant would hesitate in creating there own documents? It's not as if they will ever be checked properly is it?
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