Immediate Heart Attack Syndrome after spicy pork

Politicians back pepper spray review
The Green Party yesterday joined calls for the use of pepper-spray to be reviewed, despite findings that show the man who died after being sprayed on Tuesday had a pre-existing medical condition and suffered a heart attack. Henry Bailey, who also has a history of mental health issues, died at his Mangere home moments after being pepper-sprayed by police who had been called there about an assault. A post-mortem examination showed the 42-year-old died of a heart attack, but police are still awaiting toxicology results. Head of the investigation, Detective Superintendent Andy Lovelock, said Mr Bailey had a pre-existing heart condition which made him susceptible to suffering a heart attack at any time, particularly when in a heightened emotional state.
R-I-G-H-T, I love the way the Detective is creating a narrative that Mr Bailey had some type of pre-exiting heart condition that would make him susceptible to a heart attack at the drop of a hat ”at ANY time”, it had NOTHING to do with being pepper sprayed in the face and battened, oh no, Mr Bailey was a gonna from I.H.A.S (Immediate Heart Attack Syndrome) and the small matter of being pepper sprayed and battened was merely an incident that caused Mr Bailey a heightened emotional state, as if being pepper sprayed and battened was akin to a humble rollercoaster ride. Add to the fact that Mr Bailey was a mental health patient and is now the fourth pepper sprayed mental health patient to have died. Two official reports assure us it was the ‘excitability’ of pepper spraying and pre-existing heart conditions, but fails to acknowledge that a lot of mental health patients on medication have the same symptoms and that perhaps pepper spraying mental health patients might be a bad idea, just as the Green Party predicted, (like they predicted with the TSA).
An investigator from the Independent Police Conduct Authority is looking into the actions of the police officers involved.
Hahaha, it makes it sound like the cop who has been appointed to look into this death is independent doesn’t it, an investigator from the independent Police Complaints Authority – when of course it should read, cop investigates cop under the guise of independence – which is part of the problem as to why Police know they can get away with pepper spray because there is no independent body whom watches over them to make sure they don’t overstep the mark.
Here’s what I think is the problem, ever since we lowered the physical and fitness restrictions for the Police, we have a new breed of smaller, weaker cops who aren’t as physically sure of themselves in a confrontation, big cops have the self-assured calm quality of, ‘Hit me son and I’ll take half your head off’, and because of our woeful ’19-weeks-and-you’re-a-cop’ training we don’t have cops who can talk situations down and calm people down, instead we have ill trained kid cops who are physically less sure of themselves who go immediately for the taser or pepper spray when spooked or challenged.
I do wonder though how many pepper sprayed mental health patients need to die before the Police admit there is a problem and don’t pin it on bullshit ‘Immediate Heart Attack Syndromes’, what are we talking 10 deaths before they decide it isn’t a good idea? 20 deaths? Just give me a round figure under 50 perhaps?








19 Comments:
It's not the cops preogative to determine whether an offender is mentally troubled. On your logic, the cops couldn't pepper-spray John Kirwan if he physically assaulting his wife.
If this man was as sick as you say he was, then he shouldn't have been where he was. He would clearly need to be in an instutition. Again, it's not the cops fault that the bureaucrats bungled.
I (along with 90% of the population I suspect) consider that pepper-spraying an offender in a domestic confrontation when he won't respond to any other police threat is totally reasonable. Let the police do their job! You clearly have no idea of what threats the cops actually face on the street.
That said, I think your theory of "weak cops" does have some merit. Although it wouldn't have changed anything in this situation.
some type of pre-exiting heart condition ????
Well, he certianly did Exit....
pre-exiSting....
Neen someone to do your proof reading ????
Hehehe, NEED... !!!!
Having no experience of being on the streets I will not make any comments on our police and the 'generally' fine job they do for us. We do need to think long and hard though about the 'non lethal' deterents that are in place for our Police. We have been complaining about the Police having tazers and spray but surely these are better deterants that lethal force such as pistols. I wouldn't want to be on the streets with the gold mag light and battons of old... If we deny the police some degree of defence they will at some point just say: "Fuck it... you had your chance. Now we arm ourselves permanently with pistols". Back to the first reply - and he was right to flag this point. What was the poor guy doing in society anyway. Surely this speaks of far greater failings than the police and their 'small, poorly trained recruits'?
Anyway what do I know ...
"Hahaha, it makes it sound like the cop who has been appointed to look into this death is independent doesn’t it, an investigator from the independent Police Complaints Authority – when of course it should read, cop investigates cop under the guise of independence "
Hey Bomber, how many police officers are part of the IPCA?
"Here’s what I think is the problem, ever since we lowered the physical and fitness restrictions for the Police, we have a new breed of smaller, weaker cops who aren’t as physically sure of themselves in a confrontation, big cops have the self-assured calm quality of, ‘Hit me son and I’ll take half your head off’, and because of our woeful ’19-weeks-and-you’re-a-cop’ training we don’t have cops who can talk situations down and calm people down,"
So according to Bomber the problem is that we have smaller and weaker cops who as we all know are much more prone to using violence and not using the gift of the gab compared to the the big thuggish Clint Rickard type cop who Bomber now thinks we need. Funny that.
It was a male and female cop as well Bomber so maybe thats something the Police should look at as well, taking females off front line duties.
I'm curious how much experience you have in restraining mental health patients who are out of control as well Bomber, do you know how many 'nurses' they use in places like the Taharoto unit? Heres a hint its would take alot more than 2 large cops to safely restrain an out of control large mental health patient. Three to four and your getting somewhere but chances are someone is still going to get hurt in the process.
Of course there are other options to stop them, such as hitting them in the head with a batton, carotid holds or shooting them, are those your preferred options to pepper spray Bomber?
"I do wonder though how many pepper sprayed mental health patients need to die before the Police admit there is a problem and don’t pin it on bullshit ‘Immediate Heart Attack Syndromes’,"
Yeh cos we all know patholigists and coroners are part of this whole big immediate Heart Attack syndrome conspiracy as well eh Bomber?
Do you actually bother doing any reading or research whatsoever Bomber before you go off on one of these ridiculous juvenille rants?
Bomber shows his true colors by aligning with the repeat child molester & schizophrenic who attacked our noble police out there keeping us safe from these guys who have a taste for 11 year old boy cock and walk around high as a kite all day on a catalog of pills to try contain the demons inside from crawling out their eyeballs.
I still think we need to put a barrier around the Ureweras and we could chuck all these Maori radicals, retards, the cripple and pedophiles in there together to form their own kind of independent country. Kind of like Australia except the coloured people would probably be in charge.
I have a serious heart condition and police withheld my daily medication for three days while I was held underground in the basement at Ch Ch Central.I was lucky to live.
These are dangerous times for Peter.
Perhaps cops should get offenders to sign a medical release form stating that they are not mentally ill, or taking medications, or suffering from a heart condition before any use of force?
Statistically speaking I would rather be pepper sprayed than hit with a baton or punched in the head since the risk of death or significant injury is about an order of magnitude less.
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Hey Bomber can you please explain how having a capsicum sprayed into your eyes makes your heart suddenly stop beating as you appear to believe?
Cos you do have some evidence to back this up right?
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Hahah, sorry didn't read any of this - am busy organising the John Key interview on Alt - the usual brayings I see
Hey Bomber, how many police officers are part of the IPCA?
The Judge refers the case to Police to investigate - hence it is not independent
So according to Bomber the problem is that we have smaller and weaker cops who as we all know are much more prone to using violence and not using the gift of the gab compared to the the big thuggish Clint Rickard type cop who Bomber now thinks we need. Funny that.
Where did I say that Clint Rickards should be back? Show me where I said that?
I'm curious how much experience you have in restraining mental health patients who are out of control as well Bomber
Prolly as much time as the Police are actually trained during their 19 week crash course - I don't restrain the mentally ill, so that means I can't have an opinion on the Police doing it? 4 dead since the use of Pepper Spray suggets the cops aren't very good at it either anon.
Do you actually bother doing any reading or research whatsoever Bomber before you go off on one of these ridiculous juvenille rants?
Could you show me where I said I wanted Clint back again, can you research that, or do you just post what you want me to say Anon? Come on, lift your game, you are starting to sound like some of the other pro police apologists here (we had to remove some of their comments, now now children, this is a blog site where people can express an opinion, wanting to beat, rape or hurt those you don't agree with because you are pro police is just, well a little out of line isn't it.)
Hey I don't mind if you have tasers and peper spray, I just want an independent system that can investigate you if you over step your powers, real simple kids.
You need some stronger glasses moleman, he says "big thuggish Clint Rickard type cop". Either glasses or you are backpedaling like always.
So a child molester had a heart attack while being subdued by the police for an assault he committed? My heart bleeds for him. OH the tragedy.
"Hey I don't mind if you have tasers and peper spray, I just want an independent system that can investigate you if you over step your powers, real simple kids"
I would like stronger defamation laws so that the media and journalists can be held accountable for what they say. I'm all for freedom of the press but if you overstep the boundaries of truthful and factual reporting then you'll be toast, real simple kids.
Unfortunately this may mean the end of tumeke but its a small price to pay.
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I would like stronger defamation laws so that the media and journalists can be held accountable for what they say. I'm all for freedom of the press but if you overstep the boundaries of truthful and factual reporting then you'll be toast, real simple kids.
Yawn - come on anonymous poster (why is it always the anonymous posters) - point out what I've said is an actual lie? Your complaint was that you suggested the Police don't end up investigating complaints against them - when the do, complaints to the IPCA are passed to Police to investigate, your attempt to suggest there are no cops on the IPCA is a joke, yes there are no cops on the IPCA, but the complaints are sent to the Police to investigate most of the complaints.
Try again son.
bomber truth squad said...
You need some stronger glasses moleman, he says "big thuggish Clint Rickard type cop". Either glasses or you are backpedaling like always.
Hey it's the disinfo bomber - like the interview on Radio Live didn't you, pray tell disinfo bomber how a person who pretends to be me and posts the most homophobic, sexist and racist posts has any honour to lecture anyone on truth? I'm afraid you've spent too much time on the anarchist fringes to have a real point of view, sorry for shutting down your myspace site btw and we've told most of the people you falesly post on that you are a fraud, still tracking down blogger to get your profile deleated.
It's pretty clear to the some of us boober. I guess given your m.o being held accountable for your idiotic assertions by defamation law would have you on the streets panhandling where you belong.
t's pretty clear to the some of us boober. I guess given your m.o being held accountable for your idiotic assertions by defamation law would have you on the streets panhandling where you belong.
what is pretty clear to the some of us? I'm reading your posts anonymous and all I see is a bunch of name calling, I'm yet to hear what your actual argument is - jesus bomber you do get some angry little right wingers here don't you? Keep up the good work, love the SNBC.
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