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Wednesday, January 30, 2008

No sympathy for dead teen tagger


breakfast news comment
No sympathy for dead teen tagger
A 50-year-old man charged with the murder of a teenage tagger in Manukau should be allowed to "get away with it", Christchurch City councillor Barry Corbett says. Bruce William Emery has been charged over the fatal stabbing of 15-year-old Pihema Clifford Cameron in Manurewa on Saturday night. The stabbing allegedly happened during an argument that began when Pihema was about to tag a fence. "If I was on the jury, I would let him get away with it, but that is just me," Corbett said.
The comments have been criticised by city youth workers.


It didn’t take long for NZers real feelings about this case to pus up and pop did it? Remember the original narrative of this, it was ‘South Auckland teenagers stabbing rampage, shock horror, won’t someone think of the children’, but then of course it turned out it was a 50year old bloke who stabbed a 15 year old kid to death because he was tagging, well the news media didn’t know what tail to chase first did they, especially because so many old white people (their all important audience) would be secretly agreeing with the 50year old and lo and behold the public opinion of bigots starts to rule ok, here we have a Christchurch City councilor Barry Corbett proclaiming that the 50year old killer is now some type of folk hero – our culture’s insatiable contempt for our youth is now bordering on the psychotic, I wonder why so many teenagers commit suicide in a country that holds such hatred for them.

33 Comments:

At 30/1/08 8:29 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Still no sympathy for Krishna Bomber?
Surprise surprise.

I wonder why so many teenagers commit suicide in a country that holds such hatred for them.

And its the violent, vandalising mobs of youths in South Auckland killing themselves is it Bomber? Bullshit.

our culture’s insatiable contempt for our youth is now bordering on the psychotic

What a load of fucking crap. our "culture" loves young people who have have respect for themselves and others, who work hard and try to make life better for themselves, their families and community.
Our "culture" loathes the sort of shitheads who feel its their god given right to steal, destroy, hurt, bludge and screw the system that we pay for, reguardless of whether they are black, white or brown, whether they are 16 or 60.




Interesting to see you've dropped the 'white killer/brown victim'rubbish this morning Bomber, perhaps even you have now seen what a crock of shit that line is.

 
At 30/1/08 9:11 am, Anonymous Ben R said...

"our culture’s insatiable contempt for our youth is now bordering on the psychotic"

What about your complete indifference to 22 year old Krishna Naidu?

What about the 25 year old men and women on the North Shore, beaten with baseball bats?

What about 26 year old Karen Aim wandering home from the pub?

Those were unprovoked attacks yet you have no sympathy for them?

It seems you don't care about NZ youth either?

 
At 30/1/08 9:56 am, Blogger Bomber said...

Feeling better anon? Perhaps you need to stick to Kiwi Blogh or your blood pressure might kill you, easy now, just have a lie down before you respond, I'd hate for you to burst a blood vessel, of course the death of Krishna is appalling, as is any death you silly billy, only someone very dim - (Ben R perhaps?) would attempt to deflect my point with a very sad attempt to suggest I applaud the death of anyone, interesting that you both seem miss the irony of a white 50year old killing a brown 15 year old and the resulting media commentary about that, well not so much interesting as predicatble, come on boys, socks up and try a little harder eh?

 
At 30/1/08 9:58 am, Anonymous Grant said...

A woefully ignorant response from a blog that usually knows what its on about.

The facts around the fatal stabbing are yet to be ascertained or made public so hold your tongue...Who owned the knife ( for example) ..who attacked who ??

Grant

 
At 30/1/08 10:00 am, Blogger Bomber said...

Feeling better anon? Perhaps you need to stick to Kiwi Blogh or your blood pressure might kill you, easy now, just have a lie down before you respond, I'd hate for you to burst a blood vessel, of course the death of Krishna is appalling, as is any death you silly billy, only someone very dim - (Ben R perhaps?) would attempt to deflect my point with a very sad attempt to suggest I applaud the death of anyone, interesting that you both seem miss the irony of a white 50year old killing a brown 15 year old and the resulting media commentary about that, well not so much interesting as predicatble, come on boys, socks up and try a little harder eh?

 
At 30/1/08 10:23 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, come on Bomber, how about a post about the stabbing of Krishna? You can do it. I know the murderer was brown and therefore incapable of criticism in your book, but give it a go.

 
At 30/1/08 10:49 am, Anonymous ruth said...

Goos post Bomber - you get some very strange commenters here.

Yes, the reaction from the redneck side of the aisle has been as I expected.

These people don't want to do anything to help solve the problem and keep kids out of trouble (like coaching sport for example), they just want to find a group to hate.

 
At 30/1/08 10:49 am, Anonymous ruth said...

That's 'good'!

 
At 30/1/08 11:00 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its called a "hate share".

Whites are sick of being hated because THEY ALL work hard and have nice things.

Browns are sick of being hated because THEY ALL are criminals and bludgers.

So naturally any time THEY get a chance to give someone else a serve of hate they look toward the people who loath their group most openly.

Is that a big enough blanket for you Ruth?

 
At 30/1/08 11:30 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A white guy (Councillor, Christchurch) says that some other white guy should get away with stabbing some brown kid to death!

 
At 30/1/08 11:33 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And now white guys all around the country are applauding the white guy killer for doing the deed. I await all the sympathy to be handed out to the Mr White Guy Stabber. Expect the white guy jury, and a white guy judge to be very lenient.

 
At 30/1/08 11:55 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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Anonymous said...
Well, come on Bomber, how about a post about the stabbing of Krishna? You can do it. I know the murderer was brown and therefore incapable of criticism in your book, but give it a go.


Oh come on Anon, isn't this very childish? Of course the killing of Krishna was appalling and the natural anger at some dumb 16 year old who botched a robbery and killed a person deeply loved and respected within his community does rouse anger, but we can't be teenagers here, we are adults and need to be much more critical than 'write a blog about a brown kid who killed I dare you to'.

Ruth your point is very valid, Sport has a real ability to bind youg people who feel alienated and turn to gangs for a sense of belonging.

Oh and as for these postings...
Anonymous said...
A white guy (Councillor, Christchurch) says that some other white guy should get away with stabbing some brown kid to death!

30/1/08 11:30 AM

Anonymous said...
And now white guys all around the country are applauding the white guy killer for doing the deed. I await all the sympathy to be handed out to the Mr White Guy Stabber. Expect the white guy jury, and a white guy judge to be very lenient.


....now, now, now Anon, you and I (and Ruth?) all know that's just a coincidence and the white councillor from the white city that congratulated the white guy for stabbing the brown kid for tagging was just being funny, and if you dare bring up colour you are a white hating racist

 
At 30/1/08 12:00 pm, Blogger Barnsley Bill said...

Step away from the keyboard a moment and think about what you posted Bomber. unless you are tapped in at police HQ your knowledge of this case is as good as worthless.
As an earlier commenter said; Whose knife was used? how many others were there?
Whilst you will probably agree most people are generally supportive of a bit of rough Justice being handed out to some twat with a spray can, a death is a tragedy. That tragedy happens far too often in NZ.
Rather than using the death of a teenager tagger at 11.30 at night as an excuse to indulge in your usual self loathing whitey onanism, perhaps some critical questions about the circumstances leading up to the death.

 
At 30/1/08 1:41 pm, Anonymous deano said...

`our culture`s insatiable contempt for our youth is bordering on the psychotic`? Hold on. I work with youth. Most are good people. And most NZers like good people. But there is a very sizable group of youth who have no respect for others and their property. This is what it all comes down to IMHO. Those teens who feel nothing, no shame, remorse or guilt about injuring or killing others, or stealing or damaging the property of others. The current generation of teens is the most selfish of all time. Even the teens of the greedy 80`s and early 90`s still had more respect for others on average. There is a lack of empathy for others. I will respect good kids. But murderers, bashers, `gangstas`, spoilt boy racers, taggers, thieves,et al- I do have contempt for them.

 
At 30/1/08 1:46 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

unless you are tapped in at police HQ your knowledge of this case is as good as worthless

So you're just chiming in to tell everybody that there's no point in discussing it? Yeah right. (Ever considered a career in politics?)

Whose knife was used? how many others were there?

Wishful thinking mate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

 
At 30/1/08 2:34 pm, Anonymous ruth said...

The current generation of teens is the most selfish of all time.

Even the ancient egyptians were saying that...

Even the teens of the greedy 80`s and early 90`s still had more respect for others on average.

Kids learn what they live so chickens are coming home to roost.

 
At 30/1/08 3:05 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey come on 50 is not OLD dick head, you are so full of predjudice and sterotypes .....

Sadly people of all ages, races and classes kill themselves for many, many different reasons. Mostly nobody cares or notices, many suicude hearings are held in secret so only the selected ones make the news, its a cover up. Dentists and doctors are some of the highest risk suidice groups, don't hear you caring or worrying about them.

In fact its older people (especially those who live alone)who are becoming more depressed and ignored I think. Many more would kill themselves if they had the means.

What quality of life is there in SA for older people (especially white women alone) when they are forced to live in fear from violent children and their families and don't have the resources to move out.

Ask the blacks (if you ever meet any) they openly target certain white people for crime. Most whites are easy target they dont have a criminal gang family to protect them.

 
At 30/1/08 3:47 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dick head, you are so full of predjudice and sterotypes

Looks like we have a case of the pot calling the kettle "dick head"

 
At 30/1/08 5:26 pm, Blogger rangi said...

let me put it this way, tagging is wrong, but how can that possibly justify a murder?

some of you people need to get your heads checked

 
At 30/1/08 7:49 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MMmmmm ‘dick head’ is hardly an outrageous term here, given the obscenity, abuse and filth that bomber regularly posts. Seems he and his little friends like to give it out buy get very, very sensitive if they get a little back, no mater how mild it is. Bombers lack of insight always amuses me, like him saying he 'hates' bullies' Bomber us full of self hate, maybe that explains his anger problems.

Bomber is not exactly known for his charm, courtesy or polite language, I am not fan of swearing or obscenity and just because Bomber does it is no excuse for joining in, so although this is hardly a place for those of a sensitive disposition, you are right and I apologise. No-one should ever let another person influence them to lower their own standards.

Anyone who thinks people in their 50’s is old is (in my opinion) wrong and out of date.

I think Bombers research (if he does any) on suicide is wrong, just that some deaths make the news and others are a state secret.

Bombers posts on this are totally hypocritical and contradictory to his usual stance on (alleged) murderers – even Tim managed to post sensibly and with some understanding I thought.

 
At 30/1/08 8:38 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn't sure if Bomber was gonna back Barry or not.
I wondered if one mans spray can is Bombers hand held flame thrower.
I don't know Barry but have heard him spout similar shit in the past.
One CCCor repeat drink driver with convictions and on record as voting against her own bill due to the booze repeatedly gets re-elected.
To be charitable the grumpy old man syndrome is often a brain injury caused by a life of booze.

 
At 30/1/08 9:49 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope he gets off. He probably will, but yep, I hope he get off, free.... back onto the street of South Auckland.

Then I hope one or 10 of the victums homies, break every bone in his face and body. Send the message clean and clear.

Revenge is best served COLD...

"Freedom Reguardless"

 
At 30/1/08 9:54 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rangi you are right. Instead of using a knife, the old, frustrated, depressed, white guy could have smacked the kid about the body with the branch of a tree -with a nice whipping action. Then we would give the old guy a big cheer. Instead we have a killing that has taken place. If only...

 
At 31/1/08 2:33 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crime is linked to social deprivation and alienation caused by abuses of power and wealth!

 
At 31/1/08 9:46 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Crime is linked to social deprivation and alienation caused by abuses of power and wealth!"

That's partly true, but remember violence is actually much less common in modern societies than in tribal societies. So it's a bit more complicated than just saying those who are alienated become violent.

http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/media/2007_03_19_New%20Republic.pdf

"in tribal
violence, the clashes are more frequent, the percentage of men in the population who
fight is greater, and the rates of death per battle are higher. According to
anthropologists like Lawrence Keeley, Stephen LeBlanc, Phillip Walker, and Bruce
Knauft, these factors combine to yield population-wide rates of death in tribal
warfare that dwarf those of modern times. If the wars of the twentieth century had
killed the same proportion of the population that die in the wars of a typical tribal
society, there would have been two billion deaths, not 100 million.
"

 
At 31/1/08 10:51 am, Anonymous mike laws said...

`Crime is linked to social deprivation and alienation caused by abuses of power and wealth!`

So if we compared the crime rates of poor Maori with, say, that of immigrants from Eastern Europe or Asia with approximate incomes, would they be the same?

We know they wouldn`t. Because the problem is also cultural.

Many brown people in NZ worship the ghetto culture of the US streets. It`s `cool` to carry a weapon, to talk about `187`s, to be a gansta. School and hard work are not cool.

Combine this with ancient yearnings for tribal violence and you have a real problem.

Most people can see this but very few are brave enough to tell it like it is.

 
At 31/1/08 10:53 am, Anonymous Ben R said...

"attempt to deflect my point with a very sad attempt to suggest I applaud the death of anyone, interesting that you both seem miss the irony of a white 50year old killing a brown 15 year old and the resulting media commentary about that, well not so much interesting as predicatble, come on boys, socks up and try a little harder eh?"

Bomber,

I wasn't suggesting that you were applauding the death of anyone.

My point was that I don't agree that our culture is contemptuous of youth. Most of the victims of the high profile crime in the last month have been youth themselves.

Also, if anything, our culture is contemptuous of older people. Look at television, you rarely see an older face. Growing old is almost something to be ashamed of - witness the shows like '10 years younger' & constant pushing of anti-aging remedies.

If the tagger had been a 60 year old white male, I suspect the Christchurch City councilor would still have little sympathy for him.

The point is people are contemptuous of crime generally - regardless of what age or race of the assailants.

I would like to write more, but have to do some work.

 
At 31/1/08 8:42 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"ben r" you did say that Bomber dosen't give a shit about those other poor victims which is a load of horse shit.

"mike laws" you deliberately forgot to mention members of the white supremacy gangs. Instead you only focus on the brown ones? You reveal your agenda.

 
At 31/1/08 10:40 pm, Anonymous not all cantabs are racist rednecks said...

barry corbett is a f**wit.
heard him once on Nat Radio when the topic was 'Bar Workers hearing being threatened by exposure to noise levels WAY over WHO recommended levels' . His response? " if they dom't like it, tough, get another job "...just like that aye barry ? Who cares that bar workers suffer hearing damage ? he's a moron and a talkback radio redneck.

 
At 31/1/08 10:48 pm, Anonymous Foreskinner said...

If I was the old dude I would probably make up a story about how these cheeky darkies tried to assault me and tag on my fence. This caused me to plunge a kitchen knife deep into the feral child's chest.

How many 50 year old white men go out to confront people tagging on their property only to be beaten or harrassed?

My guess is he went out to confront this young piece of shit who didn't realise the old fart was brandishing a knife. The young butty boy and his mate decided to jump the old man who then decided to stab the deserving to death. Same kind of thing happens a lot in South Auckland except white people are on the receiving end and the weren't out tagging on peoples fences. That is a true story, not racism.

 
At 1/2/08 9:06 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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anyone see that the suggestion is that this 50 year old who chased and stabbed the tagger to death is going to try and use 'self sefense' as their defense? UNBELIEVABLE!

 
At 1/2/08 9:46 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

foreskin, that is racism not a true story

 
At 1/2/08 11:46 am, Anonymous deano said...

I think this dude is going to try to use temporary insanity or reduced mental capacity as a defence BTW.

Personally I think he should go to jail for manslaughter.

Not that I don`t hate taggers...I would have used a cricket bat myself. Given them a few bruises and a scare. Actually I have heard of two guys I know who caught a tagger. One held the tagger while the other used the tagger`s own paint cans to spray the clown from neck to toe. This seems like poetic justice.

 

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