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Tuesday, January 29, 2008

50 year old white business owner stabs to death brown teenage tagger


breakfast news comment
City looks to New York to stop tagging
Manukau city Mayor Len Brown believes zero tolerance of graffiti could be the answer to reducing more serious crime in his city. New York's famous broken windows policy - not letting even small crimes go unpunished - is part of the inspiration behind the mayor's crackdown on tagging. "You sweat the small stuff. You start with the graffiti, you start with the tidiness, you deal with at level, and if you deal at that level then maybe you can stop the serious stuff at the other end," he says. To the people who live in Manukau city, tagging is a big deal. Locals are tired of it and the path it leads to.

Hmmm, shouldn’t the headline read, ’50 year old white business owner stabs to death brown teenage tagger’, instead we now have from the media the idea that the taggers are to blame and we need to look at the failed concept of broken windows that lead to human rights abuses in America, can we start racial profiling yet, that’s how New York ‘solved’ it’s crime, (of course it cost them about $200 million in damages awarded against them but hey, why bother with reason when you have knee jerk reactions to fall back on?), of course tagging needs to be dealt with, but to suggest Zero Tolerance would have somehow 'solved' this case is just an absolute joke - how about getting the 50 year old to not stab teenagers? I suggested the tone of this story would change from ‘South Auckland Teens stabbing out of control’ when the older news audience realised the boy stabbed was tagging and the News Director responsible for reeling in those audience numbers realizes most older NZers secretly sympathizing with the 50 year old killer, hence the sudden story of cracking down on taggers – how about a story where we look at the fucking 50 year old prick who took a kids life because the kid was spray painting – how bout that?

29 Comments:

At 29/1/08 8:29 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about getting the 50 year old to not stab teenagers?

I wonder if bomber would be so sympathetic if the white business ower had confronted the vandles and had the shit beaten out of him or stabbed to death? HELL NO. Oh the poor little tagger, no mention of the fatal stabbing of the poor kid stabbed to death working in his parents dairy - why is that Bomber? People murderered while running their own business not worthy of your sympathy?
Flip through the tumeke archives and you'll see no mention of the "gangsters" brutally bashing several people on the North Shore a couple of weeks ago either, clearly the victims there were to affluent/white/likely National-supporters or some crap.

You can look forward to seeing plenty more of this sort of thing - people taking the law into their own hands because 14 year old punks get off scott free as they know how to work the system. And even when these little shit bags do get charged they get a slap on the wrist and you have the likes of Bomber making excuses for them.

Did the kid deserve to die? No, but he'd still be alive if he hadn't gone out wrecking other peoples shit. You reap what you sow.

 
At 29/1/08 9:37 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"50 year old white business owner stabs to death brown teenage tagger"

Hell Yeah! Lets start including the skin colour of the killer and victims in all murder headlines! What a good idea, it should become apparent very quickly to everyone who is doing most of the killing...

 
At 29/1/08 10:00 am, Anonymous Ramesh said...

I'd have to say that I sympathise with the alleged killer in this case. Try living out here Bomber, try being imtimidated on a nearly daily basis by young thugs anxious to prove their 'staunchness' to their mates. Try having your house and property continually damaged and stolen by people who seem to thin thatjust because you have something, it is their god given right to take it also, and if youtry to resist, it is also their god given right to give you a beating, stabbing or whatever. And no its not just the white people who are subject to this.

 
At 29/1/08 11:14 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Perhaps the most dramatic effect of legalized abortion, and one that would take years to reveal itself, was its impact on crime.

In the early 1990s, just as the first cohort of children born after Roe v. Wade was hitting its late teen years—the years during which young men enter their criminal prime—the rate of crime began to fall. What this cohort was missing, of course, were the children who stood the greatest chance of becoming criminals. And the crime rate continued to fall as an entire generation came of age minus the children whose mothers had not wanted to bring a child into the world. Legalized abortion led to less unwantedness; unwantedness leads to high crime; legalized abortion, therefore, led to less crime.

This theory is bound to provoke a variety of reactions, ranging from disbelief to revulsion, and a variety of objections, ranging from the quotidian to the moral. The likeliest first objection is the most straightforward one: is the theory true? Perhaps abortion and crime are merely correlated and not causal.

It may be more comforting to believe what the newspapers say, that the drop in crime was due to brilliant policing and clever gun control and a surging economy. We have evolved with a tendency to link causality to things we can touch or feel, not to some distant or difficult phenomenon. We believe especially in near-term causes: a snake bites your friend, he screams with pain, and he dies. The snakebite, you conclude, must have killed him. Most of the time, such a reckoning is correct. But when it comes to cause and effect, there is often a trap in such open-and-shut thinking. We smirk now when we think of ancient cultures that embraced faulty causes—the warriors who believed, for instance, that it was their raping of a virgin that brought them victory on the battlefield. But we too embrace faulty causes, usually at the urging of an expert proclaiming a truth in which he has a vested interest.

How, then, can we tell if the abortion-crime link is a case of causality rather than simply correlation?

One way to test the effect of abortion on crime would be to measure crime data in the five states where abortion was made legal before the Supreme Court extended abortion rights to the rest of the country.

In New York, California, Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii, a woman had been able to obtain a legal abortion for at least two years before Roe v. Wade. And indeed, those early-legalizing states saw crime begin to fall earlier than the other forty-five states and the District of Columbia. Between 1988 and 1994, violent crime in the earlylegalizing states fell 13 percent compared to the other states; between 1994 and 1997, their murder rates fell 23 percent more than those of the other states.

But what if those early legalizers simply got lucky? What else might we look for in the data to establish an abortion-crime link? One factor to look for would be a correlation between each state's abortion rate and its crime rate. Sure enough, the states with the highest abortion rates in the 1970s experienced the greatest crime drops in the 1990s, while states with low abortion rates experienced smaller crime drops. (This correlation exists even when controlling for a variety of factors that influence crime: a state's level of incarceration, number of police, and its economic situation.) Since 1985, states with high abortion rates have experienced a roughly 30 percent drop in crime relative to low-abortion states. (New York City had high abortion rates and lay within an early-legalizing state, a pair of facts that further dampen the claim that innovative policing caused the crime drop.) Moreover, there was no link between a given state's abortion rate and its crime rate before the late 1980s—when the first cohort affected by legalized abortion was reaching its criminal prime—which is yet another indication that Roe v. Wade was indeed the event that tipped the crime scale.

There are even more correlations, positive and negative, that shore up the abortion-crime link.

 
At 29/1/08 12:32 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well then, maybe we should start profiling mothers who are most likely to have children that will end up committing violent crime and encourage them to abort their babies?

How telling that Bomber should choose to ignore this part from the article he quoted:
"One of our workers was shot at with a 22 rifle. We had another case where one of our workers' daughters was beaten up at school because the taggers had seen her Dad painting out the tags," says Manukau Beautification Charitable Trust spokesperson Mark Beale.

Kind of backs up what Ramesh said earlier doesn't it?

When your only options are waiting for the cops to do absolutely nothing, let these thugs trash your property or give you the bash for trying to stop them, it was only a matter of time before one poor bugger was driven over the edge with horrible consequences.

 
At 29/1/08 1:32 pm, Anonymous deano said...

Firstly I think stabbing someone for tagging is obviously wrong and is murder.

But it is telling that you would bring this story up on your site, Bomber, when there has been nary a mention of all the other killings and bashings over the last month.
And I, and others who have already commented, know why. Because most killings and bashings recently have been committed by brown youth.

I know how many on the left are so concerned with seeming to be PC and non-racist that they will actually ignore the truth.

How about venting your outrage evenly?

 
At 29/1/08 2:06 pm, Anonymous Buggy said...

Not murder if it can be argued that the accused was temporarily insane...thats proberly worth investigating as defence counsel...

 
At 29/1/08 2:34 pm, Anonymous JP said...

It's hardly surprising though Deano because it hits Bomber's ideological trifecta:

- Old people vs The Youth
- Whites vs Brown
- Business vs The People

If Bomber lived in Maurewa he would know this evil "businessman" operates out of the garage of his completely unassuming Mahia road property. I drive by the place several times a week. Exploiting the proletariat this guy was not.

I find it hard to credit race as a factor. The man flipped out because someone was tagging his stuff. Does anyone really think he would have been less mad had it been a white boy holding the spray can?

Speaking from personal experience tagging is a right pain in the arse. To make matters worse the Police are too busy to do anything about it. Our house got tagged and some windows etched but nothing happened despite us giving the offenders name and address to the cops. The same goes for other victims in our street. There has been talk of giving the 20-ish year old responsible a hiding. When people can't get justice legitimately then these things happen.

I grant that the age of the victim might have been a factor. But not from any animus against young people per se. An older person might well be big enough to intimidate a 50 year old even armed with a knife.

 
At 29/1/08 2:44 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've now realised that it's not safe for my kid to go out tagging unarmed so I'm going to get him a gun. Thanks for setting me straight on this guys.

 
At 29/1/08 3:36 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tell the little prick to get a job moron, mind you in NZ he is probably more likly to get murdered at work than out being a criminal - no wonder that filthy country if fucked when people thinks its OK for their kids to be criminals - you let morons breed and wonder why there is trouble, have them adopted you idiots.

Parents who are proud of vandal kids what fucking filthy losers you are.

 
At 29/1/08 3:46 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The south auckland police aren't 'busy' they are useless and lazy, if they dealt with crime and criminals then the victims wouldn't feel so abandoned and want to do it for themselves.

South auchland is totally fucked and the police do nothing until there is a murder then they run around like the keystone cops.

I was there when that filthy black prick excucuted the bank officer in MB, the police and courts could have prevented all those killings but did nothing. The place was crawling with cops for days - they weren't doing anything useful but they wanted to pretend they were - chickens with heads cut off.

If they stopped wasting the resources they have, used some brains and did their fucking job people might be less angry.

I (and all the neighbours) used to fantasise about killing the mummys boys who kept damaging and stealing my property, so yep I can understand.

Go live in the South for a couple of years Bomber and then lecture us you sanctimous prick.

 
At 29/1/08 3:48 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for the intimidation and threats, Bombers a coward he would be crying and running away within a day.

 
At 29/1/08 4:00 pm, Anonymous deano said...

NZ is a joke. Victims get billed by the justice system and violent offenders get Bomber and his ilk to support them, then get a slap with a wet bus ticket and are out in a few years to steal, beat, rape and murder the innocent again.

 
At 29/1/08 4:16 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'50 year old prick'

Hey Bomber I though crimnals need love and understanding not vilivacation.

Is it because he is white, may surprise you to know there are a lot of white people in south auckland, ask you black crimnal friends they will tell you how they target them.

Unlike you I am not easily scared but even I was finding it tough to stand up for myself against these young (imune from punishment) black kids and their pit bull dogs.

I am so thankful I was able to get out it is far to dangerous to live there especially if you are white.

 
At 29/1/08 4:20 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think bomber will support sensible sentancing for this '50 year old (white) prick'.

The double standards seem to be lost on him, who would have thought it with him being so smart and educated ....

He was angry I suspect, you'd understand that bomber you get angry don't you.

 
At 29/1/08 4:22 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Provocation ... has anyone ever provoked you to violence Bomber - come on tell the truth.

We all know your little friend and hero tim is easily provoked.

 
At 29/1/08 4:39 pm, Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

I don't want to pre-judge the guy who allegedly stabbed the kid or the kid and what he was up to - we don't really know the details. Everyone in their right mind hates taggers - I've chased one half way down the road myself when I heard him spraying the front fence - but they're fit buggers who run out in front of cars and I'm not fit and don't want to get run over and I didn't have any footwear... so he escaped. If he hadn't and I'd caught him I suppose I would have tried to unload the entire can onto him. I think that would be the fair thing to do.

In Auckland City and Waitakere City at least there is a lot less tagging than say 5 years ago because the councils have a very good scheme of painting it out within 24 hours of it being reported. I was very skeptical about this policy (because of the expense) until I saw that it worked in practice.

The stabbing will make a good case study in editorial stance over time.

 
At 29/1/08 6:39 pm, Anonymous Ben R said...

I agree with what Ramesh says:

"Try living out here Bomber, try being imtimidated on a nearly daily basis by young thugs anxious to prove their 'staunchness' to their mates...And no its not just the white people who are subject to this."

I suspect Bomber lives in a comfortable middle class suburb & is insulated from what it's like for people putting up with this stuff all the time.

I guess you saw white attacker/brown victim, property owner/poor youth & it fitted into your Marxist reverse racist view of the world.

As someone above has said, there is no mention of the white victims of bashings on the North Shore. The guy bashed in Ellerslie yesterday, Krishna Naidu working in his parents dairy?

Why don't they warrant any sympathy?

 
At 29/1/08 8:42 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suspect bomber doesn't own anything so he has nothing to vandalise.

Bomber doesn't belive in property, or any investment, his type expect the state to look after them, if and when they don't work. They don't believe in working, saving, investing and trying to leave something to your children.

He likes people who squander, drink and drug whatever they have away rather than provide for themselves and their families.

 
At 29/1/08 9:38 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

Come on guys, credit where credit is due.

The only way Bo ber can get twenty comments on a post these days is to be a racist dick.

Its not his fault, its just that, in the golden days, when Tim was a heinous criminal and Bo ber was still popular with the 'radicals', he had mana, man.

It's so unfair to see the stars like Bo ber has and then go back to the mediocrity that is his natural state. Cruel even.

So please, look past his racism.

Look past his ageism.

Look past his ideas that criminals deserve 'human rights' but victims don't.

See the pain people, feel it, and don't blame Bo ber for being a racist gimp.

He needs your support, not your criticism.

Why.....

I'm almost overcome......

I can hardly go on.......

Sob....sob.

Oh, and -

You can't get round the fact that if the tagger wasn't out fucking up other peoples property none of this would have happened.

 
At 30/1/08 2:24 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Manurewa police station has heaps of patrol cars parked up every night, and the station is only run in daytime.

Rumour is there is only 1 cop car assigned to Manurewa - a town of over 70,000 people - each week night.

And the local Labour MP is George Hawkins... who was Minister of Police for many years til getting sacked for bumbling incompetence!

So why does the ex-Police minister not check that the cops are doing their job and patrolling the crime hot spots? (he is currently recovering from a cancer op, but that only took him out for the last 2 months)

Most crime in south Akld is no longer reported, because:
* the Police don't want to know (they actively discourage reports of 'minor' crime
* the Police 'don't have' the staff to respond ... until you're dead!

Get a Police Minister who gets cops doing thir job, and vigilantism will decline.

 
At 30/1/08 8:10 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope the Youth group together, arm themselves and go on a rampage, united they will create a crime wave, you fuckers will be curled up under the bed sheets with the laptop talking shit on TUMEKE.

That 50yr ol, is looking at Jail, if he doesn't get I am sure the youth in South Auckland will seek venegence, if he does get Jail, his ass will be so clappy, he'll probably shit himself when cornered. I have a brother in there Ill ask him to keep and eye out.

"Freedom Reguardless"

 
At 30/1/08 8:15 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So your brother is into sodomy is he freedom reguardless? Why am I not surprised.

 
At 30/1/08 10:25 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Freedom Reguardless has a foggot brother lol

 
At 30/1/08 1:29 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Freedom regardless is another stupid ugly criminal loser.

 
At 30/1/08 9:35 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh anon do you feel so cool writing comments for youre tenny wenny little mind..

Clap clap their pointdexer. ok now

"Freedom Reguardless"

 
At 30/1/08 9:36 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

what a foggot brother?

 
At 1/3/09 6:53 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The attitudes of some people is disgusting. It does not come down to a race or the fuckn colour of there skin. Every town of new Zealand has a ghetto part of town u chose to live there then that is what you have to put up with, but stabbing a young boy coz he proved to be a annoyence to ur day to day life is just a disgusting way to eliminate the problem. Don't forget it's just paint vs a boys whole life.
Kids do that but that white man did not give him the chance to grow up and mend his sins by becomin a respectable young man, now I'm not saying what that boy was right n justifyin it in any way. But to some comments above seems like you r justifying cold blood murder because of abit of paint n anger. And to the stupid fuck that mentioned encouraging woman to abort if they think there child is going to become " thugs" I think u r poor excuse narrow minded human being don't u realize that the outcome of ones life n future lies in there own hands! I have seen meny kids rise up above from a ruff neighbourhoof n ruff family because they have the strength n hunger to want more all because someone believed in them and encouraged them. How bout you get of ur arse n lend a helping hand instead of sutton round bitching bout what the youth of today r like!
I would love to see u live a couple of years in there shoes n watch you never slip up or fall into the ways of the lifestyle. Don't preach about somewhere u have never been.
Now I'm white had a good up bringin n I have had plenty of kids tag my fence even keyed my car yes I was fuken angry but I realizes that there are ways to go about things and know that stabbing the kid because I had to pay a couple of bucks to repaint my fence is not the fuckn answer . I work at a youth group and I see more n more kids come because it's safe n they r off the street they experience a sense of warmth n someone takin an interst in them something I may point out they lack at home they connect with there creative side and outta trouble do not discriminate you worthless fuks

 
At 9/11/10 9:47 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

kid didnt really deserve to die but if your tagging on peoples property then you better be ready to accept the punishment. the 50yr old was probly just sick of there shit n snapped. t know cos there are a couple kids round my block that i wouldnt mind not seeing again.

i dont blame the 50yr old, he was probly full of rage because his neighborhood was being defaced n had a bad day.
i blame the parents of the kid!! it you raised your son better then hed be doing something productive with his time instead of defacing other peoples property. if you raised your kid right then ryt now hed be getting a report card full of A and B grades instead of an invoice for a funeral! its up to you parents to sort your kids out before someone else has to!!
the man probly had a bad day but what did the parents have? a bad 14yrs of raising they're kid?!?
All you crappy parents need to sort your kids out!!

 

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