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Thursday, January 31, 2008

10 dead - but it's a 'blip'


breakfast news comment
10 dead - but it's a 'blip'
The rash of violent crime that has cast a dark cloud over the new year masks a relatively steady rate of murder in New Zealand, according to long-term police figures. Experts have blamed "mad January" for the 10 murders since the start of the year - with the finger being pointed at everything from Christmas stress to alcohol to a full moon. That figure is up from seven in January last year and four the previous year - and is more than double the monthly average for the whole of 2006, according to Statistics New Zealand. The last time there were 10 murders in one month was October 2005. Prime Minister Helen Clark and National leader John Key have concentrated on youth issues in their opening speeches of election year. But figures for the past decade suggest the January rate of murder is unlikely to continue.

Let’s also add to this the fact that the News media have nothing else to report on (most aren’t back till March darling, still in Bali) and whipping up the public with the kids-are-evil war dance helps prop up slow summer TV ratings. The solutions to youth offending takes time but there are programs that work and can work, but violence has been here in NZ a lot longer than just last month and the knee jerk reaction by both political parties when the stats show us Youth Offending is on the decline is short sighted in the extreme, do we really want paramilitary bootcamps as a solution to a problem that has been ill defined in the first place?

25 Comments:

At 31/1/08 8:36 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember growing up in a country when one murder a year was a really big deal. Now ten a month is standard? It's sad to see New Zealand has become such a violent and unhappy place.

NS

 
At 31/1/08 9:37 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bomber,

Why do you do you try and frame this as "the kids are evil"?

It's kids who are the victims in most of these cases.

Judge Becroft has pointed out that while statistically there has been a slight decrease in offenders, there offences have been more severe.

Also, using army resources was touted by the 2002 Ministerial Taskforce on Youth Offending: http://www.justice.govt.nz/pubs/reports/2002/youth-offending-strategy/ministerial-report/section-2.html

 
At 31/1/08 9:45 am, Anonymous TJ said...

Annette King reckons it all due to a "hot January" and "the full moon" wtf?!

 
At 31/1/08 10:31 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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It's the media who are whipping this into a kids-are-evil war dance, not me and what did the military say to that report anon? John Key knows what they said, they said 'no thanks', he was on Breakfast on Tuesday saying he would force the military to do it.

 
At 31/1/08 10:38 am, Anonymous mike laws said...

Annette King blames the weather and the full moon, TJ, because it would be very racist to say that Maori and Polynesians have a predilection for violent savageries. Remember in NZ it is more important to be PC than it is to tell the truth.

 
At 31/1/08 11:37 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good on the army! why should the army have to listen the government of day? They should be able do what ever they want! I mean our army is very busy fighting lots and lots of wars at the moment....

 
At 31/1/08 12:35 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

mike laws said...
Annette King blames the weather and the full moon, TJ, because it would be very racist to say that Maori and Polynesians have a predilection for violent savageries. Remember in NZ it is more important to be PC than it is to tell the truth.

TRUTH Mike, shit I dont think you would regconise what TRUTH is you fell over it, Govt brought in slave labour with the Islanders in the 80's, too shay, they should have kids that become citizen here, the same children that remember the get out FOBB dance, as they tried to restore that little white utopia to dream of. As for Maori, I dont think youre up with the play to be talking about Maori, they are only doing what youre forefathers taught them, hatered runs deep down that line, maybe the past needs to be sorted before the future can get better.

Yes I know, it all in the past, forget move on right?.... I am wondering why you white people cant do the same when a maori or Island rips you off, fairs fair isn't it?

Now that sounds like the truth...

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At 31/1/08 12:44 pm, Anonymous ruth said...

I'm getting sick and tired of people hiding behind the 'politically incorrect' slogan.

Saying that certain races have a "predilection for violent savageries" doesn't make you un- PC - it makes you an idiot.

And youth are the most disliked group in society today - people don't want them to wear hoodies, drive modified cars, go to the mall, listen to rap music, walk around the street etc etc etc.

That doesn't excuse violent behaviour of course, but we have to start looking at the root cause of this alienation.

 
At 31/1/08 12:48 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where has you blog gone Hated? Hells Angles don't like you linking to them?

And tell me, What if it was your fence the kid had been tagging?

 
At 31/1/08 12:49 pm, Anonymous ha ha said...

ha ha lol "Maori are only doing what your forefathers taught them" No there never was any inter-tribal genocide in NZ prior to the white man lol move on...

 
At 31/1/08 12:51 pm, Anonymous Colourway Records said...

On could argue that the British government brought Indians to Fiji as 'slave labour' You don't see them going around acting 'staunch' and doing drivebys either...Hateds logic falls over again lol

 
At 31/1/08 1:05 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about Fijian Indians that came to work in NZ? The work hard, don't make trouble - good people.
What do they get for their trouble?

Stabbed to death by these mongrel 'hoods' - and Maori and polynesians are always waaaaay over reprsented in this group "killer beez yo!".

Probably a feeder gang for the Hells Angels to distribute drugs and recruit from, shows why Hated is so in love with ....

 
At 31/1/08 1:12 pm, Anonymous Colourway Records said...

No Killer Beez were originally set up as a feeder to Tribesmen MC, under the leadership of ex Tribesmen president Josh Marsters. Yesterday's shooting is a little weird in that respect, since reports have the shooting occurring as a result of dispute between Tribesmen and Killer Beez...still, when there's money to be made ay...

You don't see Indians in the gangs in any proportion to that of Maoris or Polynesians.

 
At 31/1/08 1:20 pm, Anonymous mike laws said...

Many Maori and Polynesians have been seduced by the gang culture Hated, and this is the problem.

Firstly motorcycle gangs and now LA style `gangstas`.

This ghetto culture encourages violence, selling drugs and theft.

It doesn`t encourage hard work or study which is what decent people do.

You know I am right.

 
At 31/1/08 2:11 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

IF YOU CAN GET IN MATE.NO OPEN ENTRY FOR MATURE STUDENTS AFTER 2009.DID THE P.M SAY WE HAD FREE EDUCATION ON YOUR RADIO STATION AND WHERE WAS JOHN TAMIHERE ABSENT FOR THE DAY OR TOLD TO FUCK OFF BY CLARK AND WHY WAS THE LINE ENGAGED ALL AFTERNOON APART FROM THE USUAL WANKERS RINGING UP IN SUPPORT FOR HER?

 
At 31/1/08 6:46 pm, Blogger dad4justice said...

The gangs run the prisons and the poLICE Minister says murders in South Auckland are due to a warm summer and a full moon.

God help New Zealand, please!~!

 
At 1/2/08 1:23 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Where has you blog gone Hated? Hells Angles don't like you linking to them?

And tell me, What if it was your fence the kid had been tagging?

I can say this much anony the kid wouldn't be dead. Now I thought I told you before that dont consider you worthly enough to login.... cry about somewhere else please that note bein hit already.
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ha ha said...
ha ha lol "Maori are only doing what your forefathers taught them" No there never was any inter-tribal genocide in NZ prior to the white man lol move on...

Now lets get one thing straight here haha hoho, the idea of a govt in this country was for who? No not Maori's it was for your fore-fathers, as said by the a Lord of privy council to govenor Hobson in a letter dated 1839.
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Colourway Records said...
On could argue that the British government brought Indians to Fiji as 'slave labour' You don't see them going around acting 'staunch' and doing drivebys either...Hateds logic falls over again lol

So I talk of the NZ Govt bringing in Samoans for slave labour, you reckon you can argue that the British brought Indians to fiji, now how is that same, did the british chse the Indian out of fiji as they did to the Samoans here? No hmmmm shit.

Though good point on the killa bum-bell beez, tribemen didnt actually kick them into play but sure as hell use them, which was the only reason why they established a bit stronger than most wannabe street gangs..

You don't see Indians in the gangs in any proportion to that of Maoris or Polynesians.

Maybe not in the same proportion, but they are in their alright.
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mike laws said...
Many Maori and Polynesians have been seduced by the gang culture Hated, and this is the problem.
Firstly motorcycle gangs and now LA style `gangstas`.

This ghetto culture encourages violence, selling drugs and theft.
It doesn`t encourage hard work or study which is what decent people do.

You know I am right.


I can swallow some of this Mike, Some Maori and Polynesians have been seduced by the gang culture, these to us are wannabes gangsta's, they walk around with their arms puffed out like they have basket balls under them. They think it cool, but when push come to shove, then you will usually find them giving state evdience against other members.

Some can relate to the to gang culture to Mike, because it is where they were accepted, equal, no one judged them. Shit be honest here, how many times have you seen a rough looking Maori or Islander and thought "low life" "get a job" yet how do you know that about them?

But some of us older members, we have done the hard yards some of us dont want that shit for our kids, so we try to curve them away from it all. But gang culture is also like family, we look out for one another & others family when times get tuff.

Theirs alot of answers to solve the problems with troubled youth, but this tougher sentences dont work, trust me, we know, been there done that and still moving on, its plain and simple, hard sentences dont work. Not saying their shouldn't be jail time for serious crime. I think prevention is better than a cure.

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At 1/2/08 9:04 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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anyone see that the suggestion is that this 50 year old who chased and stabbed the tagger to death is going to try and use 'self sefense' as their defense? UNBELIEVABLE!

 
At 1/2/08 10:13 am, Anonymous Ho Hum said...

Yeah Angels were prospecting an Indian down Wanganui a while back...

 
At 1/2/08 10:53 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Black power have indian members lol, there a few in the Templetons MC and in the Mother fucker MC to Ho hum

But whats the point?
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Unbelievable defence move alright bomber

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At 1/2/08 11:39 am, Anonymous mike laws said...

You are making a lot of sense today Hated.

 
At 1/2/08 5:01 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

must be the Moon, deano and I agreed in another post.. strange

Hated By Most

 
At 1/2/08 5:28 pm, Blogger stephen said...

figures for the past decade suggest the January rate of murder is unlikely to continue

In that case it truly is a blip, not a 'blip' you asshat.

We wait and see.

 
At 2/2/08 11:08 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets see how tough these little gangstas really are and send them to baghdad for a month.
Running for their lives while pissing their pants would make for great reality tv.

 
At 4/2/08 2:11 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"but this tougher sentences dont work, trust me, we know, been there done that and still moving on, its plain and simple, hard sentences dont work."

I sense some self-interest in your statement hated. Why should we trust someone who purports to be a member of a criminal organisation who asks for lower prison sentences - obviously because they don't want to go to prison.

 

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