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Tuesday, December 18, 2007

Rising seas 'to beat predictions'


Alt tv/Fleet fm breakfast news comment
Rising seas 'to beat predictions'
The world's sea levels could rise twice as high this century as UN climate scientists have previously predicted, according to a study. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change proposes a maximum sea level rise of 81cm (32in) this century. But in the journal Nature Geoscience, researchers say the true maximum could be about twice that: 163cm (64in). They looked at what happened more than 100,000 years ago - the last time Earth was this warm.

Here is the drill – the effects of global warming are happening expedientialy faster than anyone guessed, human beings have experienced stable weather since we crept out of caves so the idea that our weather patterns could change abruptly and catastrophically is just not part of our understanding of the natural world, just like how scientists didn’t used to think meteors hitting the planet could cause any damage. The reality is that things are changing now and we have about 100 months left to change or else.

16 Comments:

At 18/12/07 7:10 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just look at Venus for crying out loud! It could have been Earth's twin. It has no oceans left, primarily due to a runaway greenhouse effect. It's smothered in CO2 with a surface temperature of over 450 degrees. Think about that people and I actually think some panic here wouldn't be inappropriate.

 
At 18/12/07 7:29 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually no panic is required. Your quote ignores the Middle Ages Warm Period, about 1000 years ago, in which the earth was actually WARMER then than it is today. Why? CO2 emmissions caused by humans? NO! Natural climate change caused by the sun.

Thats right folks, the evidence for anthropogenic climate change simply doesnt stack up.

Gore et als arguement goes like this: Following WW2, economic boom and increased industrialisation the higher levels of C02 emmited by humans have caused climate change. Thats bullshit. It is the sun that causes climate chance.

And remember, this global warming theory will kill people, as it is doing in africa

 
At 18/12/07 8:39 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just look at Mars. Like on Earth, its ice caps are melting. Must be all those Martians driving their SUVs. Couldn't possibly be caused by variations in output of that big yellow thing in the sky.

 
At 18/12/07 9:25 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Global warming??? yeh right, its a conspiracy of gvts. Warming means moist air leaving our seas moist air becomes rain, rain comes from clouds, clouds cover the world and wont let the sun in. Wheres ya global warming now. Should be called a cooling of the world but then the Conspriacy theorist on this site would not believe that would they.
Stand by ya Girlfriend Helen Bomber shes as fucked as you are on this theory.

 
At 18/12/07 11:00 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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YAWN

Oh come on boys, you can do better than that? Yes there was a warming, yes it occured by very natural means, sun radiation fluctuation, volcanoes, over millions of years it is the slight creep of degrees that spill over and create abrubt change - NOW HOWEVER we have a unique situation, the increase in temperature IS NOT part of our natural 100 000 year cycle (we should be slightly cooler now if we were following those cycles) it has nothing to do with Sun fluctuations and volcanoe activity has been ruled out as well - the only thing left is human pollution. I love how skeptics get half the science right so they sound like they know what they are talking about when really it's the same old crap you can hear at Fox News 24/7. If you are smart enough to follow half the arguement, you should be smart enough to see how flawed your tired old arguements are.

 
At 18/12/07 12:11 pm, Anonymous Naganata Horseman said...

Tell us about the new scince bomber which is being shutdown by politacied media.But you wont tell us that because your being decived by fradulant science

 
At 18/12/07 12:15 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bombewr we are in the middle of a cooling period. So Called Global Warming stopped in 1998. Consider the findings of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).

Christopher Booker and Richard North wrote recently:


"For three decades, after a sharp rise in the interwar years up to 1940, global temperatures had been falling. The one thing certain about climate is that it is always changing. Since we began to emerge from the last Ice Age 20,000 years ago, temperatures have been through significant swings several times. The hottest period occurred around 8,000 years ago and was followed by a long cooling. Then came what is known as the "Roman Warming", coinciding with the Roman empire. Three centuries of cooling in the Dark Ages were followed by the "Mediaeval Warming", when the evidence agrees the world was hotter than today.

Around 1300 began "the Little Ice Age", that did not end until 200 years ago, when we entered what is known as the "Modern Warming". But even this has been chequered by colder periods, such as the "Little Cooling" between 1940 and 1975. Then, in the late 1970s, the world began warming again".


Lets take a look at some core data

Comparison of Global Mean Temperatures from Climate Research Unit to Estimated Atmospheric CO2 levels from ice core samples.

Year …………….. Temperature …………. CO2 levels (ppm)
1958: ……………….. -0.019 …………………… 314.9
1959: ………………. -0.073 …………………… 315.6
1960: ……………….. -0.118 ………………….. 316.3
1961: ………………. -0.031 …………………… 317.0
1962: ……………….. -0.034 …………………… 317.7
1963: ……………….. -0.009 ………………….. 318.4
1964: ……………….. -0.277 …………………… 319.2
1965: ……………….. -0.210 …………………… 320.0
1966: ……………….. -0.150 …………………. 320.8
1967: ……………… -0.147 …………………… 321.8
1968: ……………… -0.159 …………………… 322.8
1969: ……………….. -0.025 …………………… 323.8
1970: ……………….. -0.073 …………………… 324.8
1971: ………………. -0.181 …………………… 325.8
1972: ………………. -0.066 …………………… 326.9
1973: ………………. +0.058 …………………… 328.0
1974: ……………….. -0.206 …………………… 329.2
1975: ……………….. -0.161 …………………… 330.3
1976: ……………….. -0.240 …………………… 331.5
1977: ………………. +0.006 …………………… 332.6
1978: ……………….. -0.059 …………………… 333.7

As you can see from the 20-year sample the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere has continued to rise at a fairly steady rate, but the Global Mean Temperature fluctuated from being marginally warmer to marginally cooler. The correlation of higher CO2 levels and temperature appears to be non-existent.

 
At 18/12/07 2:27 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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until you get to a certain threshold of CO2 and the temperature feedback loops start kicking in as we see them acting now. Your conclusion taken from 20 year data 30 years old doesn't take into account the exlpsion of consumerism in the US or the explosion of Co2 creation in India and China

 
At 18/12/07 2:39 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alright more recent data

CO2 levels as measured by Ice Core samples vs Temperatures 1998 to 2006

CO2 Concentration ........ Temperature

1998 359 ppm ........ +0.526
1999 360 ppm ........ +0.302
2000 361 ppm ........ +0.277
2001 363 ppm ........ +0.406
2002 365 ppm ........ +0.455
2003 366 ppm ........ +0.465
2004 367 ppm ........ +0.444
2005 367 ppm ........ +0.422
2006 368 ppm ........ +0.423

What this shows is that while between 1998 and 2005 have only vaires by a couple of hundredths of a degree - year to year. At the same time the CO2 has increased.

Clearly there is no relationship between the two

 
At 18/12/07 4:08 pm, Anonymous nznative said...

.........It took a very long time for people to stop believeing the world was flat ..................

With anony mouses last data you think they could at least of also told us that 7 out of the last 10 years have been record breakers for tempetures ..................

Human kind not affecting the world and its climate ......................yeah right

 
At 18/12/07 4:12 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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No, you are wrong - it is the hundredths of degrees that do matter and do build the average temperature higher and higher- the numbers you have here clearly show CO2 growing, enormously within the last 50 years - you start with 319ppm in 1958 and now it is 368parts per million - it's like you are holding the proof up that shows we have increased Co2 but want to deny that it has had any effect on the temperature because it fluctuates - what happened to your first line of attack which was 'temperatures fluctuate all the time (here is where you insert your Fox news-esk Global warming is a hoax 101 stuff about the 'warming' and 'cooling') - which is easily explained away, then when that is knocked over it is the 'Co2 doesn't warm the planet' farce with temperature fluctation graphs to 'proove' this, when that doesn't succeed try the 'But Al Gore is a hypercrite because he uses more power' blah blah.

 
At 18/12/07 5:23 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Al Gore is a hypocrite, but that is not the issue. We have increased CO2 emmissions, thats not my point. My argument is that there is no proven relationship between the level of CO2 and the global temperature. The earth has not warmed since 1998.

How about the lag argument Bomber?

 
At 19/12/07 6:19 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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the fact that we are currently in a 'cool' cycle may be part of that - is it warmer now than 1958? The lag is a 7 year thing ie if we stopped now we would still see the heatiung effect 7 years from now. C02 traps heat, to suggest that it is not driving temperatures is a misreading of the data

 
At 19/12/07 7:41 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But if CO2 traps heat, why are we not seeing an increase in the temperature of the atmosphere itself?

 
At 19/12/07 8:21 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys are forgetting something.

Human activity, like pollution from smokestacks and kicked up dust, reduces the quantity of sunlight that reaches the earth.

Increases in cloud cover also reduce the quantity of sunlight reaching the surface.

Look up global dimming.

 
At 19/12/07 1:16 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tried but I kept on getting Channel 65 isnt that dimming.

 

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