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Thursday, November 22, 2007

We’re in Afghanistan fighting for feminism and women’s rights yet not a word at Saudi Arabia


I remember many of the justifications for war in Afghanistan, the one that made me giggle was women’s rights, I’ve never thought of US Marines or NZ SAS as particularly feminist organizations, but what do I know? I do find it surprising that if we are in Afghanistan fighting for women’s rights, not a word at Sudia Arabia for this insult to reason…

Saudis back rape victim sentence
Authorities in Saudi Arabia have defended a judicial sentence of 200 lashes for a rape victim. The justice ministry said in a statement that the sentence was justified because the woman was in a car with an unrelated man. The 19-year-old, who has not been named, was travelling in a car with a male friend last year, when the car was attacked by a gang of seven men who raped both of them.

So the woman is to receive 200 lashes for being raped in a car with a man she wasn’t related to? How backwards is that, I mean how really, really, knuckle dragging backwards is that? It is so against what Islam stands for, it’s as warped as those American Christians who protest soldier funerals because they believe every soldiers death is God punishing America for not burning homosexuals at the stake.

18 Comments:

At 22/11/07 2:54 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All Homo's should be publiclly flogged just like those that say the F word on live television on a sunday morning. Close down Alt once and for good I say that way our kids wont be subjected to this disgusting language and TV porno.

 
At 22/11/07 3:59 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is so against what Islam stands for,

Oh really? and perhaps you'd like to remind us all what Islam stands for again. oh thats right, peace, its the Religion of Peace tm. isn't it?
... it’s as warped as those American Christians who protest soldier funerals because they believe every soldiers death is God punishing America for not burning homosexuals at the stake.

Wow! How would believe that some of those middle eastern types could be as nutty as those darn fundamentalist Americans? This is simply a petty attempt by you to make this issue about Christianity rather than Islam.
But ignoring that for a second, you can hardly compare the Westboro Baptist church, who are castigated by mainstream Christians (between 70 and 150 members, who are very much castigated and ostracised by main stream society and indeed christianity)and the Justice Ministry of a sovereign nation - you know the government of Suadi Arabia.

And no, I'm not a Christian, I just find these ridiculous comparisons laughable.

 
At 22/11/07 5:17 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't islamic judges hand down the sentences which were based on islamic law. If so then it must be what islam stands for.

So how is it that you bomber a non muslim, can say what islam stands for

 
At 22/11/07 9:26 pm, Blogger rangi said...

anon, are you thick?

seriously mate

 
At 22/11/07 11:33 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey rangi why don't give us the low down on islamic jurisprudence that you studied for your PhD.

Shit thats right you don't have one. So who is thick again?

 
At 23/11/07 6:02 am, Blogger Bomber said...

...
This is simply a petty attempt by you to make this issue about Christianity rather than Islam

LOL - and who are you? The Protestant Defence Force? I wasn't trying to make the petty point you've focused yourself on - I was making the point that there are religious freaks on both sides of the debate, it was anti religious nut bars, not anti Christian.

 
At 23/11/07 12:33 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alt TV screens PORNO ???
COOL!! I must start watching it !!

GREAT advert for ALT TV .....

 
At 23/11/07 1:23 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was making the point that there are religious freaks on both sides of the debate, it was anti religious nut bars, not anti Christian.
Yes and on one side there is a tiny, much reviled minority and on the other there is a state-backed court system - its a piss poor comparison.

 
At 23/11/07 2:25 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The anon calling for all "homos" to be flogged is none other than the in-closet, semen-craving bigot who's been cyber-stalking all the liberal males in these fora.
I think when he finally takes the plunge (down that chocolate slide of man love), he'll feel a lot better about himself and the world around him.
Let's pray he embraces his inner-gay.

 
At 23/11/07 5:03 pm, Blogger tussock said...

Meanwhile, in the USA.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/07/AR2007080701595.html

Military woman charged with sexual misconduct after being raped. Rapists given immunity from prosecution for offering testimony.

Can't find any followups with a quick search, anyone know what came of it?

 
At 24/11/07 5:16 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's be straight here. Organized religion, and the cultural implications there of, are to blame for most of societies problems. Anyone who bases their moral judgements on ancient scripture, rather than real knowledge and rationality, is far more likely to commit acts of evil. There is plenty of evidence to support this theory but if you think science is the devil's work and don't give your god credit for the wonder he has created for us all to ponder and progress within, the bible will tell you too! By the fruits, it's in the fruits people! http://biblelight.net/false-prophets.htm

 
At 24/11/07 8:32 pm, Blogger unaha-closp said...

When Islamic scholars employed by a Muslim state whip the victim of a rape (and lock schoolgirls in burning buildings and execute homosexuals and ban free speech) you cannot say some Christians shouting loudly in public spaces demonstrates equivalency. Islam - Christian faith based nut jobs are as nutty as each other. However one is a minute annoying bunch of kooks and the other legitimate powerful rulers of a nation state. Religious governments are nutjobs, always will be, and it is Islamic to have Islamic government - this situation is not against Islam.

 
At 25/11/07 7:20 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"you cannot say some Christians shouting loudly in public spaces demonstrates equivalency." -unaha-closp

[I'm the fruits guy] Is this to suggest that just because these christians are outnumbered and not getting their way, that they do not share a conservative, hate-oriented interpretation of a peace-based moral code with Saudi Arabia's Islamic government?

Note: Bomber is a solid cat. Do not underestimate his solidarity. -Fruits out.

 
At 26/11/07 5:30 pm, Blogger unaha-closp said...

Fruits,

Yep. I am making the judgement that demonstrating loudly in a public space is not "as warped as" flogging a rape victim or locking children in a burning building. This is based purely on the observations of reality, speculation on what their heartfelt beliefs is impossible to verify.

However you raise an interesting point asking if - "because these christians are outnumbered and not getting their way" - the Christians limit their behaviour. If so then it seems that the only way to stop Sauds from pursuing their displayed immorality is to coerce a change in behaviour. Perhaps you are solid with the concept of applying coercion to Saudi by all means neccessary.

u-c

 
At 26/11/07 11:19 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on. She isn't being whipped because she was raped. She is being whipped because she traveled alone with a male. That doesn't make it ok, but the media has crapped out the wrong context yet again. The rapists are being jailed for upto 9 years, but few media are reporting that.

Saudi Arabia is far from perfect, but it's quite a decent society if you live by its rules. I lived there for 10 years so I speak form experience.

 
At 27/11/07 8:29 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lucky you didn't commit adultery then you pathetic apoligist.

 
At 27/11/07 7:52 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Perhaps you are solid with the concept of applying coercion to Saudi by all means neccessary." -unaha-closp

Coercion! Exactly... deadly coercion. We'll call it "THE WAR AGAINST NAUGHTY ISLAMIC INTERPRETATION" Okay here be the plan: Ruddo, Clarkie, Gordo and Obamzie can call up Saudi Arabia all the time and argue with them about the meaning of certain passages of the Koran till they cave "For Allah's sake! We'll change some laws, if you promise to never call again!"

"a minute annoying bunch of kooks" -unaha-closp

I wonder how you would describe them if they were protesting against your husband's funeral.

"it is Islamic to have Islamic government - this situation is not against Islam." -unaha-closp

Having an Islamic government may not be against Islam, but sending the rape victim to the whipping post is. Hence, the point Bomber was making.

"speculation on what their heartfelt beliefs is impossible to verify." -unaha-closp

You raise an interesting point. What would qualify as 'heartfelt belief'? I suppose it would have to be belief born out of the free, individual thought. An observation to be made here would be that such circumstances do not lend themselves to the teachings of any religion.

Note: Solid Bomber cats. -Fruits out.

 
At 28/11/07 8:07 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Lucky you didn't commit adultery then you pathetic apoligist."

I'm not being an apologist for anything. The point I'm making is about media perspective.

 

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