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Tuesday, November 27, 2007

The 156 page police affidavit


I've read it - we are debating if we should post the link here - it's fascinating stuff - for me it says the Police action in Ruatoki was an over reaction, that this could have been dealt with in a less ninja police style - but that the Police had every right to be concerned and claims that everyone of the Urewera 17 are as pure as the driven snow is just wrong. I said that we would hear arrogant boasts in this evidence and that middle NZ would be very, very, very angry and I challenge the activist community AGAIN to state that protest with guns isn't on. I feel my stance has been vindicated by this affidavit.

44 Comments:

At 27/11/07 12:36 pm, Blogger stephen said...

Jesus, why weren't they all using stolen or prepaid phones? Were they trying to get caught?

 
At 27/11/07 12:44 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

probably because they were bumbling idiots, the fact the cops are only marginally smarter means they were unlucky to get caught.

 
At 27/11/07 4:31 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its disgusting that you have sold peoples right to have a fair trial through the courts down the drain with a witch hunt mentality. You are not activist anymore just a puppet of the state. Shame

 
At 27/11/07 4:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and you actually think they would have had a fair trial??

This whole episode has made the NZ Govt. and its agencies look like UTTER fools but lets see how much sticks.I Sincerley hope the civil actions that must follow succeed.

 
At 27/11/07 5:01 pm, Blogger jack said...

A cop wrote an affidavit about me once, pack of lies it was.

Dick Smith asks for your name and address if you buy a prepaid phone there. Tricky Dick doing the cops snooping for them.

 
At 27/11/07 5:08 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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Its disgusting that you have sold peoples right to have a fair trial through the courts down the drain with a witch hunt mentality. You are not activist anymore just a puppet of the state. Shame

Where did I say they were terrorists Anon? I in fact claimed right from the beginning that they were not, and that all that would come out would be arrogant boasts, but that the Police attention would turn out to be warrented and that when the evidence was released middle NZ would be very, very, very angry. That makes me a puppet of the state does it? Well that's an improvement from earlier allegations that I was a CIA agent. Sorry if I shock your sensibilities Anon, but as a matter of principle I don't believe in guns. Real simple.

 
At 27/11/07 5:15 pm, Blogger Mana said...

chances of seeing the goods bomber?
you could email me...

 
At 27/11/07 5:15 pm, Blogger Yoza said...

The 'trial' by media continues, interesting that someone who presents himself as an alternative voice is singing from the same song sheet as the corporate media. The very fact that this countries security apparatus, after spending $8,000,000 and eighteen months, could only capture 4 rifles and a couple of cases of ammunition is testament to the abject failure of this sordid excess.

People should be tried in the judicial system not the corporate controlled media. If the evidence was as concerning as some claim then let it be aired in the courts, not selectively alluded to and presented as a vindication of state terrorism. If 'middle New Zealand' are going to be very, very, very, very, very angry about this, then the opinion of 'middle New Zealand' isn't worth bothering with.

 
At 27/11/07 5:38 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leaving anything for the Courts to decide the truth of in this country is a waste of time. Jeez, a judge just granted bail to Chris Kahui after 4 previous bail breaches, and another tosspot judge has just granted bail to a 19 year old who attempted to murder his mum's boyfriend. So much relevant evidence is routinely suppressed by judges taking an "accused have more rights than victims" approach, no wonder these nasty pieces of work want the issue to go before a Court.

 
At 27/11/07 6:07 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bomber is Disinfo Bomber.

The lap dog of the prosecution & TSA, friend of Gareth "Hang 'em High" of the Sensible Sentencing Trust.

What's liberal about that Bomber?

Nothing.

 
At 27/11/07 6:14 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people are all screwed in the head! Terrorists or not, any talk anywhere on earth that talks of anything to do with George Bush and threats etc. makes us all look bad! All New Zealanders!

Mind you, any future surveillance will be much easier now that other foreign agencies will be heavily interested. As if having a stolen phone makes any difference!? Heard of satellites?

Good on them for getting caught - may this be the ned of their plans

 
At 27/11/07 7:07 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yoza said...
The 'trial' by media continues, interesting that someone who presents himself as an alternative voice is singing from the same song sheet as the corporate media. The very fact that this countries security apparatus, after spending $8,000,000 and eighteen months, could only capture 4 rifles and a couple of cases of ammunition is testament to the abject failure of this sordid excess.

People should be tried in the judicial system not the corporate controlled media. If the evidence was as concerning as some claim then let it be aired in the courts, not selectively alluded to and presented as a vindication of state terrorism. If 'middle New Zealand' are going to be very, very, very, very, very angry about this, then the opinion of 'middle New Zealand' isn't worth bothering with

NICE POST

bomber said.....
Sorry if I shock your sensibilities Anon, but as a matter of principle I don't believe in guns. Real simple.
I understand where you're coming from bomber, truly I do. Yet as a gun owner, guns are not the problem, no gun kills anyone one its own. I know that wont go down well, but we can agree to disagree in the gun issues. In my opinion some Maori's get sick of the shit we face all the time, only to be told to take the peaceful approach, such as the Hikoi over the foreshore and seabed which achieve what? the Maori Party lol... I know that mild class white, semi white, brown longing to be white will voice their shit about my comments, yet personally I couldn't give a shit. I don't stick my head in the ground and say shit don't happen, until shit changes for the better for maori these things, activism wont stop its in our blood until the day we die.. What the cops did on the 15/10/07 when the young children saw the cops pointing guns at Maoris, climbing on a school bus, the cops just created the activists of tomorrow.

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At 27/11/07 7:11 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

but I guess we should just get over it and move on as one lol haha haha

YEAH RIGHT

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At 27/11/07 7:40 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why dont you take the same stance towards kyle Chapman and his right wing tossers playing with guns?

 
At 27/11/07 8:13 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What the cops did on the 15/10/07 when the young children saw the cops pointing guns at Maoris, climbing on a school bus, the cops just created the activists of tomorrow."

They didn't board school buses or point guns at kids, why on earth are you lying?

All the Te Reo buses were waved through the checkpoint and were not boarded or checked. A cop did briefly check one unmarked bus containing one driver and one 15 year old.

If you now have to invent injustices to have something to cry about your on shaky ground indeed.

 
At 27/11/07 8:14 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bombers consistant line of activists with guns is a lie. Don't buy into it.
There is no crime in what has been done with firearms, no terrorist charges. This is nothing more than Bombers salacious fantasy.

I'm not saying all firearms were registered (I don't know), but that there was nothing illeagal done with them.

Where are your claims of Napalm & Grenade Launchers now??

How is your new friend Garth McVicar of the Sensible Sentencing Trust - You radical you.

Anyone notice a change in Bombers friends - Cops leak him info (poss via an intermediary) and he walks hand in hand with Garth McVicar.
All the while making up lies about activists.

Take off the sheeps clothing Bomber.

 
At 27/11/07 8:25 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That you don't believe in guns is commendable Bomber. That you choose to claim that all who hold guns have no right to be activists is not.

Ghandi & Mandela would be excluded from your special circle of friends. (Ghandi sent Indians to WWII & Mandelas terrorist bombs).

Their actions as peace makers is legend - Do you not respect these men Bomber?

 
At 27/11/07 8:28 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is this retard.

There is a crime in what has been done, hence the fact that they have been CHARGED.

The only reason the aren't facing terrorist charges is because the legislation was so poor. You might wanna actually bother reading the SG's decision.

And if you actually bothered to read the affadavit you would have come across the Napalm and grenade launchers.

Whats even more funny is you think that this info was all leaked to Bomber by the Police, hahah are you really just that fkin thick? The info is all over the internet and it appears it didn't come from the Police but from one of the lawyers involved.

The simple fact is Bomber has been proved right while the rest of the extreme activist community are looking horribly stupid right now.

 
At 27/11/07 8:34 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That you don't believe in guns is commendable Bomber. That you choose to claim that all who hold guns have no right to be activists is not.

Ghandi & Mandela would be excluded from your special circle of friends. (Ghandi sent Indians to WWII & Mandelas terrorist bombs).

Their actions as peace makers is legend - Do you not respect these men Bomber?"

You can't even begin to remotely compare the two scenarios. Ghandi and Mandela were fighting against tyranny and systemic murder for a just cause. Tame Iti and Jamie Lockett want to kill white people and are fighting a liberal left wing labour government whose tyranny extended to paying Tame Iti's wages.

Get a fkin grip and if you bothered reading Bombers comments he has actually differentiated and acknowledged when armed resistance is needed.

 
At 27/11/07 8:46 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Tame Iti and Jamie Lockett want to kill white people and are fighting a liberal left wing labour government whose tyranny extended to paying Tame Iti's wages."

True true bro. No more area health board money for this brother.

Once more on to the dole dear friends, once more.

 
At 27/11/07 9:03 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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At 27/11/07 9:13 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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At 27/11/07 9:34 pm, Blogger Puppy Cuddles said...

bomber said.....
Sorry if I shock your sensibilities Anon, but as a matter of principle I don't believe in guns. Real simple.
Anon said.....
I understand where you're coming from bomber, truly I do. Yet as a gun owner, guns are not the problem, no gun kills anyone one its own. I know that wont go down well, but we can agree to disagree in the gun issues.

Guns have legitimate uses as tools - pest control, hunting, sport shooting (olympics etc) and the like.
Guns have no place in NZ society as weapons.
If you're looking to use guns to advance your activism then you can only be looking to use them as weapons - either to harm, to threaten or to intimidate - offensively or defensively.

 
At 27/11/07 9:43 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Tame Iti and Jamie Lockett want to kill white people and are fighting a liberal left wing labour government whose tyranny extended to paying Tame Iti's wages."

True true bro. No more area health board money for this brother.

Once more on to the dole dear friends, once more.

They might not have to worry about the dole anon if there lawyers can sort out a compensation case case against the police, then again they might stay on the beny and contact compo if they know it fucks you off so much hahaha good on them too. more money to buy more guns, isn't the system wonderful.

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At 27/11/07 9:57 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are a lot of 'mights' in this world just like cheap talk.

You're obviously not a Shakespeare man Turd or you would have gotten it.

 
At 27/11/07 10:08 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

wee Puppy Cuddles said...
If you're looking to use guns to advance your activism then you can only be looking to use them as weapons - either to harm, to threaten or to intimidate - offensively or defensively.
Look puppy you seem like a good little doggy so lets not confuse the situation, look at were these people lived it was K'rd its Ruatoki nor do you need guns to; either to harm, to threaten or to intimidate - offensively or defensively; ask a group of South Auckland teens.

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At 27/11/07 10:20 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon seriously come out from your closet. I saw how you abuse and accused the nation lol it must seriously piss you off those boyz walked huh lol

That Shakespeare speech was different, didn't realise you thought outside the box, must be challenging. better luck next time.

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At 27/11/07 11:27 pm, Anonymous deano said...

I`ve just read the afadavit too. It drags in places, it could have been a more exciting read! But it does prove Bomb right. My favorite parts were when some of the terrorists were unable to attend the camps because of lack of gas money because they are too stupid and lazy to have jobs. Lucky for us Tame and Jamie Lockett are only a few IQ points above retardation, or someone would be dead. Possibly Helen Clark. Now hang on, maybe they should have been allowed to complete their plans...

 
At 27/11/07 11:59 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of your titillating "I've read it, should I post it?" come hither bullshit, just post the FUCKING link because I can't be FUCKED googling the motherfucker.

 
At 28/11/07 12:12 am, Anonymous FUCK YOU! said...

So comments are under "blog approval" now?
Is this your version of free speech?
Well, fuck you ya pair of pretend uber-liberals.
Drink a gallon of fart juice and join your mole-whore Helen. She'd approve of your MOTHERFUCKING censorship.
It's times like these that make me realise that the Left is as ass-riddled and corrupt as the Right.

 
At 28/11/07 6:16 am, Blogger Bomber said...

So comments are under "blog approval" now?
Is this your version of free speech?
Well, fuck you ya pair of pretend uber-liberals.
Drink a gallon of fart juice and join your mole-whore Helen. She'd approve of your MOTHERFUCKING censorship.
It's times like these that make me realise that the Left is as ass-riddled and corrupt as the Right.

How charming, sorry FU - we had some disinfo bomber issues last night so switched on comment moderation, we managed to shut down his myspace site and are working on his blogger profile and fake tumeke site. We'll switch off moderation shortly.

Guns have legitimate uses as tools - pest control, hunting, sport shooting (olympics etc) and the like.
Guns have no place in NZ society as weapons.
If you're looking to use guns to advance your activism then you can only be looking to use them as weapons - either to harm, to threaten or to intimidate - offensively or defensively.

Hmmm - for me only farmers and police should have access to guns, I'm very dubious about 'collectors'.

"That you don't believe in guns is commendable Bomber. That you choose to claim that all who hold guns have no right to be activists is not.

Ghandi & Mandela would be excluded from your special circle of friends. (Ghandi sent Indians to WWII & Mandelas terrorist bombs).

Their actions as peace makers is legend - Do you not respect these men Bomber?"

Hey Anon - great question - of course there is a time and place to stand up and defend oneself - Nelson Mandela himself says the Oppressor states the nature of the struggle - in NZ the 'oppressor' uses 3 yearly proprtional representation and misuses tasers - not exactly a call for armed revolution is it? The second the Police suspend our rights, postpone elections, put in a fascist government and then proceeds to torture and shoot citizens on mass - hey, I'm all happy to pick up a gun and fight for our liberty - but we are so far from that point in NZ society the concept is just a fucking joke.

How is your new friend Garth McVicar of the Sensible Sentencing Trust - You radical you.

Anyone notice a change in Bombers friends - Cops leak him info (poss via an intermediary) and he walks hand in hand with Garth McVicar.
All the while making up lies about activists.

Take off the sheeps clothing Bomber.

Sigh - let's go through this shall we - since when was I a friend of Garth McVicar? I have been more vocal in my contempt for the sensible sentencing trust than most - I went to the march against the EFB because there were major problems with that legislation, I went out of concern for my democracy, I believe the legislation proposed now is much better because it limits anonymous donations but in the format Labour tried to ram through it was unacceptable. How that makes me a friend of McVicar is something in your head, not mine. I wasn't leaked anything via the Police, my inital contact was with activists who had seen the evidence, it was from that awful moment I've been decrying some in the activist community, as for lying about the activist community - I stated right at the beginning of all of this that they were not terrorists and said a chunk of the '17' were totally innocent, what I'm not prepared to do however for the sake of 'solidarity' to just jump on the band wagon and keep my mouth shut when something as dumb as this occurs - what our merry militia have managed to acheive is the excuses the security spiders need to weave their webs all that much tighter. As for the grenade launcher, I'll have to go find the quote where someone is talking about the different types of grenades that can be used.

Why dont you take the same stance towards kyle Chapman and his right wing tossers playing with guns?
Right so that's where left wing activism is now placed is it? On par with a bunch of racist bigots who have been righfully marginalised by the country because they are knuckle dragging bigots? What a peak to climb. The National Front HAS no moral high ground to take, left wing activism always has, it's actions like this though that damage - look at the latest poll with the Greens now sinking - how could an environmental party in the age of global warming not do well all of a sudden?

Bomber is Disinfo Bomber.

The lap dog of the prosecution & TSA, friend of Gareth "Hang 'em High" of the Sensible Sentencing Trust.

What's liberal about that Bomber?

Nothing.

Grin - a couple of weeks ago it was claimed I was a CIA agent, now I'm a friend with McVicor and a lapdog of the prosecution. If anyone has been reading this blog for any period of time they would know I have attacked the Police and the Sensible Sentencing trust probably as much as I attack George Bush (is that possible?) - claims that I'm now 'on the other side' because I criticised activists who wanted to train with guns because I get the abhorrance mainstream NZ (you know, the ones we want to convince to vote for us) would feel towards that concept sound like the ideaologicaly blinded fumblings of someone dripping with talkback bitterness rather than reasoned debate.

The 'trial' by media continues, interesting that someone who presents himself as an alternative voice is singing from the same song sheet as the corporate media. The very fact that this countries security apparatus, after spending $8,000,000 and eighteen months, could only capture 4 rifles and a couple of cases of ammunition is testament to the abject failure of this sordid excess.
Welcome to the digital age where very little won't have the ability of getting onto the internet

People should be tried in the judicial system not the corporate controlled media. If the evidence was as concerning as some claim then let it be aired in the courts, not selectively alluded to and presented as a vindication of state terrorism. If 'middle New Zealand' are going to be very, very, very, very, very angry about this, then the opinion of 'middle New Zealand' isn't worth bothering with.
I think the stance the Dom Post took means the other charges MUST be dropped because they can't get a fair hearing - as for not careing about the opinion of middle NZ - you have your wish - look at the latest poll today where the Greens have dipped below the 5% threshold.

 
At 28/11/07 9:23 am, Anonymous bring back buck said...

I've read it too. i've always been a big fan of Tame Iti however i have to say after reading this that my opinion of him has gone WAY down.
WTF did they think they were PLAYING at ?
How bloody stupid are they ?
Like I said : I used to be a big fan of his, that says something , i liked the stroppy way he totally stood up for and lived for what he believes in, his 'in yer face' attitude, the great twinkle in his eyes .
When this whole thing first erupted i argued in his defense at every opportunity : " it'll just be bullshit talk... who hasn't said they'd like to take a swing at Bush..etc etc - this is a ploy to get the Terrorism Bill through ( actually i'm still not convinced that isn't true - esp after the leaking of the papers)

Nup - I have to say i'm disappointed - pissed off - surprised they were carrying on like a bunch of testosterone-driven rambo teenagers.
And yeah - hopelessly hopeless - codewords that a 4 yr old could crack, using phones easily identifiable - actually its more of a " How NOT to organise an uprising " talk about micky mouse ! as far as uprisings go - i'd mark it 1 out of 10 - and they only get a 'one' for using reo in texting - the rest of the texting was crap

 
At 28/11/07 10:30 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've looked for the link, can't see it using google (.pdf search of "Tame Iti"), someone please post the link, or the address where the link is kept, or a suitable google search. Thanks.

 
At 28/11/07 10:55 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pitiful really.
Using traceable cellphones, no gas money because they're spent all their dole. If this is the best the maori manhood has to offer in the way of resistance to colonial oppression then the pakeha imperialist is quite safe.

 
At 28/11/07 11:17 am, Anonymous A. Poynter said...

for those of you interested in other views ...Public Address links to an interesting discussion on kiwiblog about this issue also

 
At 28/11/07 1:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Pitiful really.
Using traceable cellphones, no gas money because they're spent all their dole. If this is the best the maori manhood has to offer in the way of resistance to colonial oppression then the pakeha imperialist is quite safe.

lol oh yeah there safe alright, Clowns all got dress up like rambo, raced up into Ruatoki, all for nothing

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At 28/11/07 4:32 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree Hated, these activists thought they could just put on some camo, do a few press ups, shot a few possums and think they would actually be effective.

 
At 28/11/07 4:44 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Effective lol

Effective would be washing your car with soap, what the police did proved what? maoris have guns? lol...

but looks like the cops may of help make some rich Maoris lol, wonder if they will push for compo?


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At 28/11/07 4:47 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know i know We should forget it and move on as one because its in the past now

lol

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At 28/11/07 6:41 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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At 29/11/07 12:49 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I've looked for the link, can't see it using google (.pdf search of "Tame Iti"), someone please post the link, or the address where the link is kept, or a suitable google search. Thanks."

The website it was hosted on has been disabled. Unless someone else were to start hosting it, it will remain unavailable.

 
At 29/11/07 9:01 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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