Guerillas in the mist
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Guerillas in the mist
I’m feeling a wee bit bi-polar, at the beginning of the week the mainstream media whacking stick, the BSA, handed down an unprecedented ruling on my station fining us $5000 and taking us off air for 5 hours, and now according to the Herald, I’m a leftie who backs police action – oh great, I’m never living that down – here’s what we know, Jamie Locket, one of our guerillas in the mist had his District Court decision (decided by Judge Josephine Bouchier, the same judge who put my mate Tim Selwyn away for sedition in a weird coincidence) was overturned by the High Court when the judge was shown suppressed evidence and Lockett was sent back to prison, there’s a reason the Police are looking so smug, they know something the rest of us don’t. Again, let me re-iterate in no way shape or form do I believe for one second that any of these people are terrorists, what I do believe is that if you followed me around for a year, I’m sure you would catch me saying the most stupid things, and that is what I believe has happened here, and that when the extent of those stupid things become known, there are going to be a lot of shocked and angry NZers, and in their eyes the Police action will not look over the top, which pisses me off because I’m no fan of the cops. But what some in the activist community who are calling me a traitor don’t seem to get is that this is a democracy, yes there are injustices that need to be fought, yes there are inequalities which are intolerable, I have spent most of my life protesting against them - but these fights are fought with words and ideas – you pick up a gun in a democracy to ‘train’ and you have lost the argument because grenade launchers have no place in a functioning democracy. My biggest fear is this, when watching the Sedition trial for Tim, it became obvious that the keystone cops HONESTLY BELIEVED that Tim was attempting to start a revolution by connecting with ‘Maori Criminals’, the idea was so ludicrous I burst out laughing at the trial, but for the Police, ideas are things other people have and imagination is a foreign concept, and they do get freaked out by them and in their minds eye they have caught an honest to goodness terrorist plot and intend to start witch hunt door knocking arrests to anyone who ever voted for the Green or Maori parties. What I would love is for us to do is a very un-NZ thing, and instead of fighting and allowing the reactionaries to scream at each other, let’s hear what the other side says – for the activists, how the hell do you think NZ was going to respond to you running around with guns and talk of ‘war’? To NZ, you have to understand that there is a depth of fury out there amongst a lot of people with legitimate grievances that can not find solution in the present culture of denial. Sadly however we have dumb people playing soldier and dumber people playing cops. Great.
posted by Bomber @ 7:38 am
31 comments
31 Comments:
Nothing more sickening to see than an idiot in ass covering mode. Another self-serving perpetuater of the notion that activism is the province of peacenik refugees from the summer of love and therefore we have no right to protect ourselves and our families when the shitstorm comes down.
During the bird-flu beat up middle class whitefellas were nudging and winking about their fire-arms to protect their families when it went dog eat dog. No one set the men in black onto them. Fuckwit wanna -be 'leaders' didn't say a word then.
However now that a few blokes have been caught practising for the day it all turns to shit and helping young fellas understand what can be done are rounded up. Poor coppers don't understand? They are too simple? Yeah right. Apologists for oppression from the pretend left surface a dime a dozen when talk becomes do.
This bullshit talk about race war and terra-ism is then supported by a wanna be cause this time he wants to be on the inside looking out. Where he was all the time really. It's always good to find the enemies within.
All this talk of liberal democracy is sickening. The greedheads only ever institute liberal democracies once they have what they want and need to preserve the status quo. As soon as it even looks like no longer working for them the rules of liberal democracy go down the toilet.
As long as activism plays by the oppressors crooked rule book there will always be oppressed people.
What we see here is the rules of liberal democracy being thrown out the window by the state not by the activists and that's when there is no threat to their control, just a confluence of needs.
The police feel they have a need to reassert their power and re-establish white NZers dependence on them. They lost that during the plethora of scandals.
The security establishment want to get a particularly foul piece of anti-terra legislation through, the Labour Party have decided to to attack the bits of the green left in a weak attempt to secure a fallback position when Key and his corporate kiddies take the centre from them. Not forgetting the media who want to sell more fishwraps.
It's all very simple, requires no back room conspiracy, just a shared need. Adam Smith's invisible hand does the rest. That need creates a demand which will eventually be met by way of infinite circumstance. Just as it has here.
Of course little tid bits are bound to fall off while the big fish grab at the juicy bits. Enter the bottom feeder. A pseudo-anarchist of the worst sort. One who doesn't want laws to apply to hims or his but uses them to secure more for hisself. Even if that is just a piss weak attempt to climb into the club. Same as every other fat assed 'former activist' who wants to grab for himself by kicking out at those who actually have conviction about who they are and what they do.
I think this was one of your better pieces of work Bomber- balanced, objective and sensible. Whatever someone's grievances, you can't run around with guns ranting and raving about insurrection. If you don't act non-violently, you lose the moral high ground.
Also it is disappointing to see the Maori Party and other groups coming out and slagging off the police action, and defending Tame Iti and his like, before they know all the facts.
my god with friends like dick watcher, who needs enemies - bomber i haven't always agreed with what you write, but you have won my respect
kia kaha
I'm glad Dick watcher articulated his position so eloquently to us all here so we know exactly what the police are dealing with. Given this attitude it's clearly obvious that the police were right to move when they did.
So does it feel to be reamed in the ass by the status quo Dick watcher?
And... I have to say, Bo ber, I agree with Deano and Anon 9.17am......
......well, I agree with most of it anyway.
Nice work.
Dick watcher doesnt seem to understand what he is talking about. If you want to enact change, the only way to do so is to get popular support for your ideas. Hearts and mind stuff. The rules of liberal democracy to not extend to violence. What this could do is actually set back your 'movement' by ten years.
Whilst I do have a natural cynicism, that does not extend into believing that the police would 'manufacture' this. Also, if they did make it up then eventually they will be caught out. And then all hell would break loose.
Bomber has taken a stand against something he thinks is wrong. He should be applauded.
cool post bomber... still it is a we bit deeper than what portrait.. non violence is cool as long as it works... sorry that will throw the spanner in the works, but 150 years plus of talking has gotten what?
MaoriTV lol
still cool post..
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Some times I think the activists are just being activists for the sake of it I don't even think they care about what it is they are protesting they just enjoy chaso, the police have proven this time and time again.... Go the cops
Bomber,
That's got to be your most measured & balanced column you have ever written. It seems to encapsulate how 99% of NZers believe right now. Whatever our political beliefs, left or right, silent majority or vocal minority, we do share certain common values. The right to free speech & to enact change peacefully & lawfully.
-coge
Oh my Got Bomber is actually a little we softcock after all, Now even the Herald likes him what next. Talk back radio and Leighton smith, hehehehehehehehe
Ha we Actually have real terroists running around like that bloddy ahmed zahoiu. Go my mate mark bennet he talks sense.
Keith Locke is an imbecille
Man, that is some top work spin. I dont think its good, but I have to admire how well that dude has twisted what you've said bomber about this so far on your blog. He has directly quoted you to be saying that you support the cops... hillarious.
I really have no idea where to stand on this. I'm politically inclined to side with the bushmen, but seriously they have just ruined the rep of Maori and Environmental groups everywhere by playing G I joe. The cops should confiscate their guns, give them a good telling off, and stop using their power to affect law passing.
Tame Iti often seems to have good ideas and morals, but then uses scary and off putting methods of expressing them. You almost wonder if the right would be smart to fund people and organisations like this because in the end they just make the right look better.
You almost wonder if the right would be smart to fund people and organisations like this because in the end they just make the right look better.
And what "right" would that be hmmm?
Jesus wept, does everything have to be part of the vast right wing conspiracy theory to you people?
Just the other day some clown in another tread about privatisation was crowing "three more years" and thanking National for bringing up privatisation because it means that Labour are going to be handed the next election. Well the people who continue to vote for Labour are going to reap what they sow: more of this sort of bullshit - you just keep prattling about the evil right-wingers while the "leftwing" party slips more of this anti-terrorism and free-speech crushing EFB nonsense in through the back door.
"Keith Locke is an imbecille"
No, he's an unreconstructed marxist mascarading as an environmentalist. Like a water melon, green on the outside but red on the inside
I do remember when the Sea Bed and Foreshore laws were going through that the Maori Land Court and Waitangi Tribunal was subject to vilification that the same Solicitor General now Court of Appeal Judge refused to prosecute their attackers-unlike when the Family Court was attacked by Radio NZ,TV3,and National Party/Nelson MP Nick Smith they were prosecucted.Then again you and the Police,Crown Law Office,National and Labour Parties,etc have supported the destruction of the Maori Judiciary.
The simultaneous aspect of the arrests has struck fear into the activist community.
The simultaneous aspect has tarred many unrelated groups with the same brush.
cbmilne33 said...
I do remember when the Sea Bed and Foreshore laws were going through that the Maori Land Court and Waitangi Tribunal was subject to vilification that the same Solicitor General now Court of Appeal Judge refused to prosecute their attackers-unlike when the Family Court was attacked by Radio NZ,TV3,and National Party/Nelson MP Nick Smith they were prosecucted.Then again you and the Police,Crown Law Office,National and Labour Parties,etc have supported the destruction of the Maori Judiciary.
Destruction of the Maori Judiciary has been going on for some time, since Governor Grey and Gore and their exploits, then the disobedience of Grey to 1846 Constitution and Dening Maori rights to exercise the 1852 NZ Constitution section 9-10 then carried by the native land court with more confiscation of land with the help of the westcoast settlers act and the Tohunga suppression act 1907 still active. all the way threw to the Maori get to much speech, I doubt if it will finish here.
If anything I guess I could be considered a activist, is because I would speak out against the govt and its lies, is that what puts me into that category anon?
If so cool I am happy to be in that group we only stand for our rights why is that wrong.
Nice post dick watcher.
Since your views are held only by a tiny minority you'd better get use to looking from the outside in.
Good post bomber.
Make NZ a better place said...
Some times I think the activists are just being activists for the sake of it I don't even think they care about what it is they are protesting they just enjoy chaso, the police have proven this time and time again...
I wanted to add to this somewhat if I may; as part of me will have to agree; We could categorise them into 3 groups
Group One: Plastic Fantastic
This group may of heard of the cuzy do the mahi (work) and standing outside with the Harawera flag, (tino) shouting "The Treaty is fake" some will even have mixed ideas about what it all is about, it is like doctrine one group will start believing certain aspects of the movement, once one disagrees on the doctrine, then theirs a split and another group is formed and so on. yes their is so many of them Bomber seems to know some and as do I, yet in my opinion what makes them plastic, is when push comes to shove, you turn to see your support and their no where to be seen, Maori party is starting to fall into this category and the next aswel. Then of course is the Maori activist that are stoners, turn up to Waitangi and hui, Off their fucking Face" and selling there shit to other like minded plastic maori activist, it is fucking anonying to see; but its true. I could go on about this group, yet time is a factor so I'll move on.
Group Two: Da Money Man, da Money Their are some that are in it for the almighty dollar, funds that come from private sectors and from scamming other Maori, staking the claim "it all for the movement" this not only happens here in this country, it happens in Australia to, amongst well netted families, where the unity of money is large, I have seen 60-70 thousand dollars pasted around to assist with accommodation at Waitangi for the elderly and filling High Court applications etc etc (NO NOT TO BUY GUNS) but as we know, where theirs money their always someone who will want to manage these funds; some activist will even secure govt funds, for ventures of hui all over the place, $40.000 funding to help feed and pay for accommodation etc,etc..
Group Three: Activist
Their is some that know what its all about, we understand the difference between CROWN, Crown and crown we understand about the freeman and the registered entity created at our birth, but this is about our promises, from the CROWN OF ENGLAND, it is not about attacking the middle-class white world, our fight is with the nzgovt that refuse to grant us what is our rights to have. Slowly this govt has paved the way to remove the CROWN OF ENGLAND from nz and some may support this movement, but for us Maori we see it as the govt removing the ones that can put things right for us; to be honest, there is not a righteous or just judiciary in this country. I doubt if their ever will be, unless the CROWN OF ENGLAND step back in to the picture. we will always fight the nzgovt, if by say this makes me a terrorist to, them by means I guess I am, if the nz govt will say that our flag is our terrorist flag, LOL, I will love them to prove and say this, that flag carries more weight, than the Harawera flag and your nz flag combined. this is very real for us, I spend many hours learning and understand acts and regulations, most that believe properly in what we do and say, can recite passages of Act and Regulation by memory. yet on and on it goes.
I guess I should comment further on the Maori Party yet it only fair on them that I say these are my opinions; faith in the Maori party by its supports may have been lost, we as supposed activist don't see them as a bright hope for Maori across the motu (country) Why? we consider them handouts, it's the weakness link of most Maori everywhere, Putia money; i believe it is whats this Maori Party is, a Handout, I believe the same of Tame Iti, yes I know him, somethings he does, I am sure it make all nz stand up and say "Honey come watch the bloody Maori's again" Maori Party are and entity, to use an entity to fight another entity, just how will we win? it will only replace one entity for another, so no we don't believe the Maori Party is our big hope; well thats it, theirs more to this all, yet we continue to fight it out in the corrupt judiciary system of nz; until we reach the privy, its the way it is.
sorry for the spelling and grammar errors I don't have time time to check it, we fight the system for our rights, we still must live in it; and work calls, so i gotta go
mana you're boring everyone here.
"this is about our promises, from the CROWN OF ENGLAND"
It isn't the CROWN of ENGLAND, but of Great Britain. England is only a constituent part of the United Kingdom, aka Great Britain. A bit on a misnomer on both counts, as it isn't great, nor is it united. But it is a more accurate than refering to a non-existant thing such as the CROWN or Crown of England.
The last person to be the hold the title of King / Queen of England exclusively was probably Elizabeth I, back in the 16th Century. We're onto Elizabeth II now, and some four hundred years have elapsed.
lurgee said...
MANA"this is about our promises, from the CROWN OF ENGLAND"
It isn't the CROWN of ENGLAND, but of Great Britain. England is only a constituent part of the United Kingdom, aka Great Britain. A bit on a misnomer on both counts, as it isn't great, nor is it united. But it is a more accurate than refering to a non-existant thing such as the CROWN or Crown of England.
The last person to be the hold the title of King / Queen of England exclusively was probably Elizabeth I, back in the 16th Century. We're onto Elizabeth II now, and some four hundred years have elapsed.
Well g thanks for that, it is a weight off me mind; none of what you said real means anything, you really just went the long way about say there no more King or Queen that rules England, doesn't mean that their promises or treaty arrangement become invalid because of it; the powers that still control that machine is still in motion, which still is the reason that this govt must still apply for a rite or rit (sorry I forgot how its spelt) to govern here.
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Mana,
New Zealand is no longer answerable to the Britian, it is an independent nation. This was confirmed in 1947 when the New Zealand parliament passed the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1947, which accpeted the independence offered by Britain to her dominions. Any responsibility to Maori that the Crown possessed, would, by that act, have be devolved to the New Zealand government. The Monarch of New Zealand isn't even the same entity as the Crown of Great Britain, though both are vested in the same person.
lurgee said...
Mana,
New Zealand is no longer answerable to the Britian, it is an independent nation. This was confirmed in 1947 when the New Zealand parliament passed the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1947, which accpeted the independence offered by Britain to her dominions. Any responsibility to Maori that the Crown possessed, would, by that act, have be devolved to the New Zealand government. The Monarch of New Zealand isn't even the same entity as the Crown of Great Britain, though both are vested in the same person.
Look lurgee we can go over this all night; 1947; Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1947 in conjunction with the New Zealand Constitution Amendment (Request and Consent) Act 1947 gave this to you all:
•Adoption of Statute of Westminster 1931.
•Request and consent to Imperial Parliament passing legislation which would enable the New Zealand Parliament to amend and repeal it own constitution.
•New Zealand achieving legal autonomy as now having the power to amend, suspend and repeal its own constitution. If you consider this as your independence great... The Treaty of Waitangi is still a document that still stands regardless it needs to be sorted for the tranquil bliss everyone hopes for and until then it wont go away.
Does nz have a written constitution;
No - that's why we argue about it all the time.
cool Tim, is their a constitution for New Zealand, reason I ask is I have had cases in the High Court, they keep referring to the Palmer 1986 nz constitution; i might say it went a deafly quite when I ask if they can show me letters patent of a royal assent... interesting so how the hell they manage to put you inside bro if their an illegal entity?
I see similar arguments here in Oz. The issue is, do we want to retain common law or do we want to be turned into a corporate fascist state, as has now happened in Queensland. As law activist John Wilson from Sydney says, 'trial by jury is democracy'. If we lose trial by jury, we lose democracy because we lose the right to be judged by our peers according to the common law.
Re Queensland, it has recently been discovered through a series of court cases (including the High Court) that the State Govt of Peter Beattie illegally changed the Qld Constitution and in so doing turned the state into a corporation called The Brigalow Corporation. This corporation under its phoney 'constitution' has wiped out common law including fee simple ownership of land! This is astonishing but has been confirmed by the High Court in Canberra. ... more to come, watch this space
Administrative coup in Queensland (ctd) Queensland, essentially, has been corporatised and turned into a fascist state, stripped of the crown and common law and courts brought under the control of the State. Queenslanders are just waking up to this. It was extraordinary legislative sleight of hand, diabolical in concept and execution.
But this is not a unique process. You will see many other government treasury corporations and/or governments registered with the US Securities Commission. Welcome to 'global governance', the global fascist, corporate state or New World Order. This beast deserves to be exposed and killed. Keep updated at infowars.com, jonesreport.com, prisonplanet.com or Alex Jones via the internet on gcnlive.com. I also recommend Republic Broadcasting Network via the net.
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