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Thursday, September 20, 2007

Campaigners call for Rickards' head


Alt Tv/Fleet FM Breakfast News Comment
Campaigners call for Rickards' head
A campaign has started to have suspended assistant police commissioner Clint Rickards sacked, but the Government has given assurances the issue will soon be resolved. Postcards were distributed in downtown Wellington yesterday, addressed to Police Minister Annette King, calling for New Zealand Police to fire Mr Rickards. The postcards, with free postage, say that while being paid more than $150,000 a year, Mr Rickards has:

* taken sexual advantage of vulnerable young women

* supported convicted rapists

* been involved in immoral, manipulative and unacceptable conduct.

The postcards say his actions have been "totally unacceptable to all New Zealanders".
This case leaves a sour taste in everyones mouth, would the jury have seen things differently if they were aware of all the facts, how many rape allegations must you face before you lose confidence in a high ranking police officer? Of course there will be those who glibly point out he was let off and that should be that, however most NZers would feel that sadomasochistic ritualistic gang rape where Police batons are forced into women not once but three times with two of the cops being found guilty of gang rape leaves a lot of questions.

62 Comments:

At 20/9/07 9:53 am, Anonymous common sence said...

this item just goes to show how our "Politically Correct Country"
is a fucken joke......

Come On New Zealand grow a back bone sack this pile of shit.

You really do wonder what the hell our leaders even do cause at the moment they are making a right royal fuck up.....

 
At 20/9/07 3:47 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sack em...
He's now become a burden to all tax paying citizens of this country.

 
At 20/9/07 3:56 pm, Anonymous nznative said...

.......... On the news last night we had 'honest john' key and the brethrens other mate Peter Dunne both talking payout for rickards.


.......... they didn't say how much they thought a gang bangin man like rickards should be rewarded though ..............

 
At 20/9/07 11:03 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

should be the same call for all corrupt cops regardless.

1 dirty pig is just 1 dirty pig to many.

Hated by Most

 
At 22/9/07 12:58 am, Anonymous Legio X said...

And NZ Racist and Hated by Toast show why they're in the ranks of the long term unemployed.

ERA boys. Heard of it?

Na didn't think so.

Chumps to the left of me, dimwits to the right, welcome to Tumeke.

 
At 22/9/07 10:55 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh AB,AbsoluteBullshit, aka Spinner, aka LegioX (did I cover them all for you Spinner, No? you fill us in on the rest then)

Look hero, did you puncture your wife again leggy, you need to take more care with her, Family violence is now a No, No.

Unemployment? I am afraid you will know that before me chump, I like the work where I don't pay your govt "Jack Shit" their laws on business pave the way for this to happen its quite unbelievable, family trusts, protection of assets, PPSR LOL theres just no end to it all and the hard case thing is it all legal.. entity paying for entity.

Hey isn't it One LAW for all. LOL

Oh and lets not forget the ASB vault awesome stuff that, we need more business doing that, it was long over due of course but a most welcomed business split for ASB

But your quote was interesting, Chumps to the left of me, dimwits to the right, welcome to Tumeke.

If its that bad for poor little leggy aka AB (AbsoluteBullshit) aka Anon aka Spinner why come back?
again and again and again... Hell you just talk shit anyway, you should try doing that in front of the mirror Leggy you'll win everytime.

your always be a bullshitter leggy, it is the way it is, like forefather like son.

Hated by Most

 
At 23/9/07 7:13 pm, Anonymous nznative said...

gee legiox it seems you've picked up inadequate j's habit/argueing style of making up storys/lies about people ............. real strong arguement you must have to day that ay?.

But I dont care if a fool like you makes shit up about me .......... readers can see who's had to resort to this ............. perhaps you've been drinking to heavily again ?????????.

........... and yes we have heard of the ERA and rickards is showing us how even a perverted sexual deviant pig like himself with the help of some good lawyers can shit all over decency.

...... I get the feeling rickards is your kind of cop legiox liar .

 
At 23/9/07 11:22 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having group sex is not a crime last time I looked in the Crimes Act but possession of drugs is. So do you really think that you hold the moral high ground here? Explain this logic of how you a self confessed drug abuser can pass judgment on someone who has served society in a role which could have gotten him killed if he slipped up and for what, a measly police salary.
Rickards may not be a picture of moral perfection but he definitely got the job done. The guy spent years working undercover to nail drug dealers and and infiltrate gangs and criminal circles. Which are probably the circles you move in NZN.

Face it, you don't hate Rickard because he engaged in a few gangbangs, you hate him because he protects society from scum like yourself.

J

 
At 24/9/07 12:45 am, Anonymous nznative said...

ah poor little inadequate j ( the j that never satisfiys )gives us the wannabe "lawyers spin " on it all.

First of all he does know what "drug abuse" is. Medically drug abuse is quite easy to define.

But inadequate J with his "lawyer morals" takes the primitive judicial view that any "illegle" drug use ( like even having one cannabis joint a year ) is drug abuse.

So while j's lawyer shit might hold sway in court medically and scientificly

So in j's eyes a person having the odd "illegle" recreational drug is of lower morals than a married adult cop having gang bangs on young vulnrable ( and profiled ) teenage girls ........... his mates of course are doing time for gang rape


......... right j we can all see where your coming from .......

To finish off j's brilliant arguement he made up some bullshit about rickards protecting society from people like me.

...... I think j should be more worried about his own morals with his habit of making up lies about posters who disagree him

....makes him look very inadequate too ......

 
At 24/9/07 12:48 am, Anonymous nznative said...

.... "So while j's lawyer shit might hold sway in court, medically and scientificly he's being the village idiot.

 
At 24/9/07 6:08 am, Blogger bomber said...

...
Anonymous said...
Having group sex is not a crime last time I looked in the Crimes Act but possession of drugs is. So do you really think that you hold the moral high ground here? Explain this logic of how you a self confessed drug abuser can pass judgment on someone who has served society in a role which could have gotten him killed if he slipped up and for what, a measly police salary.
Rickards may not be a picture of moral perfection but he definitely got the job done. The guy spent years working undercover to nail drug dealers and and infiltrate gangs and criminal circles. Which are probably the circles you move in NZN.

Face it, you don't hate Rickard because he engaged in a few gangbangs, you hate him because he protects society from scum like yourself.

J


I don't care who he gang bangs - I care that he supports convicted rapists, I care that they were gang banging these women while they were supposed to be at work and I care that they were using Police batons and handcuffs in sadomasichistic ways, I care that a mate of his went so far to smoother the case he was actually put on trial and found guilty and I care that if the juries were allowed to know that these good ole boys had a whole bunch of allegations against them, and whether it would have changed the result if the Juires knew Shipton and Schollum WERE ALREADY IN JAIL FOR GANG RAPE WHILE THE LOIUSE NICHOLAS CASE WAS PROCEEDING.

The write his off as 'anti police' is intellectually bankrupt j

 
At 24/9/07 9:12 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't disagree with you on Dewar's conviction and I think it is a serious indictment on policing at the time and that it took so long to bring it to court.
But the evidence of what the other officer's did was correctly suppressed as it could have prejudiced the trial. The system is designed to to give the accused a fair trial based on facts and evidence (s 25 of the bill of rights Act, check it out sometime). It's not a consideration that should be selectively applied to based on whether the accused or more likable or not.
Would you rather that the accused's criminal history or that of their associates was disclosed during the trial and a decision reached on those facts instead of the actual offense - guilt by association. What you are asking for will result in a gross miscarriage of justice.

J

And NZN why don't you be honest with yourself as to why hate the police. It's really not hard for the rest of us to see. I'd be quite interested in how you define medical drug abuse but you won't because your all talk and no follow through you intellectual gimp.

 
At 24/9/07 12:57 pm, Anonymous nznative said...

you wouldn't know what the word justice means J ........ the legal proffesion has perverted it somewhat.

A medical or scientific definition of drug abuse would be taking the drug on a scale or at a rate which has negative consequences for your health or life.

............Now back to your impersination of a pedophile lecturing us on sexual morals.

 
At 24/9/07 1:00 pm, Anonymous nznative said...

........... and I dont like the police because its full of rickard type personalitys .

p.s if rickards did such a good job at busting gangs and drug dealers why are the gangs in a more powerfull position and why ius there more drugs now in NZ society than at any time before ????????

It would seem rickards and his mates have done a totaly shit job.

j is a s....l....o....w l...e..a...r...n...e...r

 
At 24/9/07 2:01 pm, Blogger bomber said...

...
Our system of law allows evidence that shows a pathology, these police officers got off on gang rape with sado masichistic overtures using objects forced into girls, there was a very clear pattern go their offending - I'm not suggesting we bias evidence, of course not - but there are provisions within our legal system that allow pathology like this to be heard - the Judge decided to not let the Jury hear that evidence - the fact that two cops were already serving for a rape with the exact same MO IS something a jury should hear - but when you are a cop I suppose you get good mates like Dewar to help cover things up hu?

 
At 24/9/07 4:54 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

Hmm....Hated by Toast and NZ Racist thank you for your very revealing comments.

I'm in Arizona now Toast so I will catch up with the boys and tell them about the type of mice the NZ HA are letting in. Disgusting really, so many long traditions and fine young men and the best NZ can come up with is you. Oh well.

By the way - your particular type of paranoia is quite treatable you know. Maybe you should seek some professional help.

 
At 24/9/07 5:34 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I take your point Bomeber. I simply prefer that the justice system be setup to provide the maximum protection against the convictions of innocents. Since the 'guilt by association' factor would have been so prejudicial I think it would have been the thin edge of the wedge and would have serious repercussions and consequences in future trials. What if a young gang prospect was forced to admit to a murder as part of his patching (think of the Wanganui toddler shooting case) and the judge decided that it was admisable that since several of his codefendents were guilty of criminal acts then this should be taken into account. Would that be a fair outcome?

NZN said

"which has negative consequences for your health or life."

Or in your case mental health

"Now back to your impersination of a pedophile lecturing us on sexual morals"

'impersination' means pretending to be something that you are not. So what you are saying is that I'm not a kiddy fiddler. Thanks for that validation.

"It would seem rickards and his mates have done a totaly shit job."

Unfortunately this is correct since you're not behind bars. But I have great faith in out police so its only a matter of time before you see the inside of a cell. Again.

J

 
At 24/9/07 7:19 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

J I think you walk around leggy undies strapped tightly against your face, sucking in the scented Arizona dreamland that leggy is so well known for. you should do as queen said in one of his amazing songs "Break free"

Rickard is worse than a cunt, not I hated him, I hated what he is, I am glad pricks like you and legio might like him and shit, because as long as there are dirty pigs, People like the HAMC and Heads will never see the cell you dream about. Yet in like manner this statement by yourself
Face it, you don't hate Rickard because he engaged in a few gangbangs, you hate him because he protects society from scum like yourself. If you can call what hes done protecting society then your thick enough to fall for anything. Now our dirty cop still pick up their brides, and let us now when theirs raids or who on the hot list. So I am glad you clowns still support pigs like that.

SPINNER
Hated by toast or Hated By Mummy neither fazed me then why you think it will now?
You will always talk shit Leggy thats what you do, denying your AB is hard case, you don't watch what you say leggy and you let things slip, Fucked if I care if you are that dick your still be the Spinner I have known you to be..
like I said,

Like fore-father like Son

Chin up Spinner

Hated By Most

 
At 24/9/07 9:16 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Hated, what is is this hated by most business about then?
Most normal peopled would rather be loved and valued by others not despised. Is this the only way you feel that you can connect with other people, by having them fear you?

So why do you idolize belonging to some sort of gang, does it make you feel like a real man? Your sense of self worth must very small if you need the support of thugs and criminals. Can't you stand on your own two feet?

What are the roots of such rage: were you bullied mercilessly at school for being slow and poor, did daddy leave you and mommy all alone or did someone touch you in a naughty place?

Most of what you wrote seems to be insane gibberish. If you could could see you way to edit and repost it for the benefit of the readers here.

J

 
At 24/9/07 11:27 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

An Idiot said...

So Hated, what is is this hated by most business about then? Most normal peopled would rather be loved and valued by others not despised. Is this the only way you feel that you can connect with other people, by having them fear you?
Hated by Most is a fucking good name, needless to say we hated by Most, Dr Brash and his famous Orewa speech open doors for many hidden red-necks to surface, or did you notice? Now If people fear us (HAMC) it is because of the media there little j, how many here know us, Fear is something you all conjured, not something we gave you, now we are to blame because you read the cover of the book instead of its contents. very typical.

So why do you idolize belonging to some sort of gang, does it make you feel like a real man? Your sense of self worth must very small if you need the support of thugs and criminals. Can't you stand on your own two feet?
I don't Idolize nothing, it is a way of life, it is the only thing i know and the only people I trust. why do I trust them, well I know they wont send me a Taxi if I need help, I can trust them with my life, can you say the same about Rickard's with your life? So what makes a man then little j? climbing on blog sites running down Bomber because his ideas of chance or rehab don't fit your idea of a perfect world, of oppression and the mighty maximum penalty. Words don't make the man, actions makes the man, words are cheap. As for standing on my own feet, I had to do that at 12 when welfare (your system) took me from my parents, because they were to sick, and place me in kid fucking family homes with happy clappers on Sunday and abuse Monday through to Saturday... but I guess you know all about us right Little j, just how we weren't all suppose to turn out. You know how this all went right.

What are the roots of such rage: were you bullied mercilessly at school for being slow and poor, did daddy leave you and mommy all alone or did someone touch you in a naughty place?
Bullied at school, lol no no thats every cops life story don't you know, thats why they become pigs, revenge I think... My rage is from living in this system that took me from my parents, that returned me when my father died, it comes from white wankers ripping off Maori and land the belongs to Maori, my rage comes from the experience your fucking system, that you love and cherish so much, which can do know wrong; now has stains against itself of corruption which makes them, the same as us, yet we knew that all along, why because we pay them.

Most of what you wrote seems to be insane gibberish. If you could could see you way to edit and repost it for the benefit of the readers here.
Ah the retort to the gibberish statement, so which part didn't I make clear for you little j, were you meaning this:
J I think you walk around leggy undies strapped tightly against your face, sucking in the scented Arizona dreamland that leggy is so well known for. you should do as queen said in one of his amazing songs "Break free"
well in laymen terms it means this: j your a fucking Muppet, do you have to follow Spinner (leggy aka AB) take your tongue out of his ass j only dogs do that, you not a dog are ya... hmmm
now did you get it that time

Hated By Most

 
At 25/9/07 2:10 am, Anonymous Legio X said...

Shit - Toast that alost made sense.

Poor wittle Toast has had a hard life, and guess what - its all the white folks fault. Yep that makes sense.

Now like a 14 year old he thinks that Hated by Toast is a "fucking good name". I think we can safely assume that thats where your mental development stopped Toast - around 14 or so.

The irony that as a racist Toast dislikes 'white wankers' and their system is a little to much for him.

And J, Toast is to scared to stand on his own. Whenever he makes one of his little threats ( on the internet no less) he always talks of 'us' and 'the boys' etc.
Thats the problem with these fuckers - they're only men when they've got their mates with them - rest of the time - ping.

The paranoia from so many years of drug abuse is pretty funny though.

 
At 25/9/07 9:48 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for confirming what most of us already suspected. If you were abused as a child maybe it would be a good idea to seek some kind of treatment. Self medication through drug abuse is no solution as it just worsens you situation. The first step is of course admitting that you have a problem and if it takes a blog site then thats a good start.

Anyway, here's the number to the Samaritans 0800 726 666. You should give them a call sometime.

J

 
At 25/9/07 3:21 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh Spinner, I know you can't help it, maybe you need to ring that number j left leggy, to many stories you don't know which one is true. So I guess you thinks I fear you, as to why i wont met him privately, I think hes fucking gay as he always seems to push this issue so much, I have managed to stay out of the light due to not flying off, so as you said "Come drop by the HAMC" why is that to hard? don't you have balls of steel, shit you have all them big big words, what the fuck are you scared of? Now you say I made threats, lol. shit that sweet coming from you leggy, talk stuff, then say i threaten people lol. tumeke

little j, i thought you assumed I beaten up at school? now you want me to get help from the same fucking system that stuck its fucking nose into our affairs in the first place, you think I want to change into the likes, of you and leggy.. because your narrow mind shit is just tip top? right.. You know I travel all the time USA Canada, UK, Thailand, I have never used meth, rock, p, crack, smack, opium, never been charged for any drug offense and have no problem getting visas either, so how did you come up with the drug abuse theory?. I work and run a 2 companies that pay for one another, assets in trusts, and under the PPSR, cash lock away for dangerous times, yes it sound like some that smokes meth everyday..lol but As always you clowns assume everything and yet know fucking nothing. Still judging the cover of the book.

your not in touch what the real world, don't concern yourself with my affairs, this topic is about a corrupt pig, that like gang-bangs and sexual intercourse with a minor on the bonnet of a pig car... now if he gets back into power I hope he only pick up yours, and leggy daughter and give her that ride home. maybe it will be something she will never forget.

Hated by Most

 
At 25/9/07 4:59 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a friend who worked for the Samaritans. They are very good at helping people work through whatever psychological issues that they may have in a non-judgemental way irrepctive of what you have done in the past. From your own admission you have had a traumatic upbringing which has left deep emotional scars. And no matter how much money you make it can't heal those scars. It's no substitute for being accepted and valued by your loved ones. Anger is not the answer here, it will only lead to your own destruction.
Hope you'll at least give them a call. All the best for the future:)

J

 
At 25/9/07 5:21 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

Yeah Toast - Harden up and call the Samaritans will ya.

"so how did you come up with the drug abuse theory?"

Well theres got to be a reason for those half literate rants you love so much. Your powers of reasoning and deduction are seriously flawed. You have some half baked ideas about the history of OUR country and you think that threating violence on the internet means something.

Either you've taken alot of drugs or you're a complete fuckknuckle.

Which is it?

I've told you I've been to the pad when you've been there and had a good laugh about it.

Maybe you don't have your finger on the pulse quite as much as you think you do.

 
At 25/9/07 7:40 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You both of need to get together leggy must of pop his wife and need someone badly.

Spinner keeps saying he'll come around, then changes it to me not wanting to met him privately, shit how queer is that.

especially when it is him that said he will come around to the HAMC. now its I am the one to scared to met him... and let not forget the new one of threats of violence... shit this is way to much leggy

Now j, As for my past, I've built my bridge and am over it, never will i let it happen again, so ill pass on your offer also. I know you will continue to offer it again, which is just to much, but no thanks, like I said i don't trust yous. Besides I have no problems with where I am at, I've learnt well from you people.

OH Leggio, For fuck sake it looks like your pulse cracked a 120 when you typed that horse shit, is it getting to you, that your a bull shitting prick spinner, really, does it sound like I am excited? shezzz boy breathe. By the way leggy, it will never be OUR country, overstayer, your a rug rat of a colonist, so it will never be our anything, this is and always will be Maori Land, not colonial rug rat land, shit even the privy council called your fore-fathers all colonist & immigrants lol..and that where most of you came from, we Maori are Indigenous to Aotearoa something you will never be.. so build a bridge and get over it, I had too. lol.

oh you went to a Pad, did you, was it maxi pad or ultra slim? lol. which pad you go to leggy in Arrowtown or Disneyland or was it Alison wonderland, boy your bullshit never stops, please I am interested to know just which HAMC you went too, because there NO open drop in center leggy. oh what was the address? who was it that let you in? lol fuck boy, your good and you reckon I am on drugs, lol must be like your privatised execution the governor let you watch lol.

I think you should call them leggy your losing it man. Samaritans 0800 726 666

Hated by Most

 
At 25/9/07 8:45 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well I hope for your sake that you are over it. You sound very trusting of fellow gangmembers, more than I would be if I was in the same situation. i'm not sure if placing my life in the hands of people like that is a wise decision. They may have offered you the sense of family that you never had but that sense of comaraderie is long gone. These types of organisations exist solely to make money. NZNutjob was correct in regards to the huge profits from drugs leading to corruption and with this kind money at stake do you really think they'd let anyone get in the way if they could make more; comrade or no comrade. If you place your trust in thugs like that you'd be lucky to end up in prison or at worse in a shellow grave somewhere. I hope you are not setting youself up for a hard fall.

J

 
At 26/9/07 3:19 am, Anonymous Legio X said...

Maybe you should look in the white mans dictionary to see what 'indigenous" means Toast.

Like I say - Half baked ideas.

The problem for you Toast is - that you don't know who I am - therefore you have no idea if I have been to the pad or not.

I don't get stressed out when dealing with mice such as yourself.

 
At 26/9/07 7:07 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Awwww don't cry leggy you will always be our colonial rug rat... would it be better if I said; you will never be native to Aotearoa?

You will always be considered a "TAU IWI" or "OVERSTAYER" shit think about this, your fore-fathers flocked from England (not all but most) Lord McNaughton of the Privy Council, said they are of "doubtful character" criminals, liars, convicts that have escaped their penal colonies (guess that was Aussie) ewwwwu... dirty mongrels. Privy also called your fore-fathers, immigrants, and when addressing the court structure the privy council said: It is not up to the colonial bench or immigrants govt to consider what is a bench of trust; it is for the court of appeal to beside so whether your born here or not leggy you will ALWAYS be a rug-rat of an immigrant lol. This kiwi crap is just your pitiful attempt to belong to a country thats not yours and never will be.

now but to the you don't know who i am speech. Leggy, see you don't remember all to well do you chump, you run this shit before, when you said I like to meet you, then you can see who your calling a colonial rug rat then went on to say later in another post that your pakeha, shit are really that confused about your identity, it is alway said leggy, to be a good liar one must have a prefect memory, i am afraid you suck at being a liar, but your get a B- for effort.

oh yes leggy it does sound like I am very excited doesn't it lol, shit boy your about as troublesome as a cloudy day... Try Again Spinner

j don't assume to much, be sure, I trust no one in business, yes business is about money, outside business we are comrades, I trust them with my life, can you say the same about Rickard's with your life? he is sworn to serve and protect or was that fiddle and forget?

Hated By Most

 
At 26/9/07 12:15 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Might is right and power flows from the barrel of a gun. If you have those on your side then the loser's history and opinions are irrelevant. The Maori are now subjects not the writers of history. The day has passed when they controlled their own future.

 
At 26/9/07 4:07 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dreams are free anon, now you should be greatful your govt has not found a way to tax you on it yet.

Maori are learning to use the tools of today to better the future of Maori tomorrow.

but ill ask this again seeing i never get an answer to it, "what was it, what did my ancestors did to be treated the way they were? to be killed the way they were, what did they do?

Hated By Most

 
At 26/9/07 5:22 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should know the answer to this question. They were in the way of a stronger power who had what they possessed and it was taken from them by force because those were the rules of the game then. Perhaps you should read up on the inter tribel wars between the Moari if you think it was wrong.

 
At 26/9/07 5:30 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

Anon, please don't confuse Toast with actual facts.

He doesn't handle them well.

 
At 26/9/07 8:36 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the rules of the game is to lie, cheat, steal, rob & kill... shit are we still playing by these rules, I know most of these really well, Oh thats right we are not allowed to, just yous can..lol

Lets be serious here Anon; your fore-fathers were crims, liars, thieves etc etc your very own privy council said so. Shit these are the same things your fore-fathers show Maori, so why are you now surprised when they portray these elements back to you?

I have one question, I know you probably wont answer, but here goes; If they were way stronger anon, why is this stronger now paying back what was stolen? doesn't sound like they were stronger, to me... mediocre more like it.. or did they just get caught with the hand in the cookie jar.

Leggy your a hard case turd, just a moment ago you tried the He don't know who hes talking to..line now its facts anon facts lol (was that you writing it leggy) lol who cares...

call yourself what you wish spinner... fuck, you really are pathetic.

Hated By Most

 
At 26/9/07 9:46 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"your fore-fathers were crims, liars, thieves"
It was very true in some cases. Empire doesn't build itself through lofty words but through blood and force. But stating this truth doesn't make the Maori anything better than cannibals, slavekeepers and cold-blooded killers of women and children as well. Losing doesn't wipe away the history of what Maori did to itself and the Moriori. But you probably won't address that particular question will you. Sometime history has a way of becoming inconvenient when your not the victim doesn't it?

The Crown will return the land that was taken but it will do so on its own terms. Make no mistake of that.

 
At 26/9/07 10:17 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAHA HAHA but I thought they are stronger, stronger people don't pay back..

On its own terms lol... which will be Look we are sorry to you from our criminal fore-fathers stealing and cheating you out of your land, please take this 7 million and share it out

Oh yeah there stronger alright.. lol.

Hated by Most

 
At 26/9/07 10:49 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a fair trade. We get a country you get some beads, blankets and firewater

 
At 26/9/07 11:01 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no problems with Maori history, I am a living part of that, if them wars Maori and Maori didn't happen i would not be here today to argue this point. I will do my best to answer.

now, I wanted to comment on this cannibalism, just wondering what proof can you muster to show us all that we were cannibal's before your fore-fathers or pakeha came here anon... (now don't be leggy 2 and assume I said, we weren't) but I'd be interested to see if you can show we were before pakeha came here.

So are we going back to the Moriori debate again? or is it about the Duke or Hongi Hika... which is it?

But just to set this straight anon, before we get started, you said this; Empire doesn't build itself through lofty words but through blood and force. But stating this truth doesn't make the Maori anything better..... now i think that was a head swell, your thieving lying colonial fore-fathers weren't an Empire, shit even now your not a empire, your not even close to a pimple on the ass of westminister, you were a couple of rag tags with greed for Maori land... now theres nothing to suggest that Maori were anything like this until after Pakeha came here Anon, or is it your belief that before Pakeha came here maori were cannibals, slavekeepers and cold-blooded killers of women and children I will be very interested to see this.

I'll agree Maori had land wars after pakeha came here, Ngapuhi did tremendous damage, because of the musket, it fair to say, it probably would not of been this way, if they didn't have the muskets... never the less, the muskets made it easier. It is common that Maori took slaves, women for breeding, young men for working, after pakeha came.. some of these male slave were beheaded for pakeha trade, the fascination of the Ta moko saw to that..but not much to suggest that these things were done before pakeha came here... but I am all ears anon.. so fire away.

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At 26/9/07 11:05 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a fair trade. We get a country you get some beads, blankets and firewater

Must be why your stronger people pay out millions for your thieving fore-fathers, I can only guess they don't think its FAIR TRADE lol

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At 26/9/07 11:07 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh by the way firewater is American Indian history anon... please stay on track..

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At 26/9/07 11:18 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't think you'd answer the moriori issue. Still paying the victim then.

 
At 27/9/07 1:50 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ahem i believe the first moriori killed, was done my your fore-fathers, a whaler, so did they make amends for that, or were we suppose to lay claim to all deaths to cover your fore-fathers?

please explain what we owe them, they lived on the chathams not on the mainland, I believe it was Taranaki tribe that killed them, not all of them.. but whats your point? was there a treaty with them of some sort?

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At 27/9/07 9:22 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point is that you should stop whining about how unfair and criminal it was that the British stole your land when the Maori were perfectly content to do the same and worse to others. It's something called hypocrisy. Maybe you should look it up on dictionary.com

 
At 27/9/07 9:48 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh come come now anon.... what happen to the moriori stuff, you were so eager to debate only not to long ago?

now it stop whining about the British, you don't no what the fuck your on about... it was the British that said to your colonial fore-fathers to treat the natives with respect, don't take advance of them, but your colonial fore-fathers, as greedy as they were, did as they pleased.. disobeyed the English Crown.

which then made the statement from the privy council true: your fore fathers....doubt character, liars, thieves, criminals.. theirs nothing you can show to prove Maori were this way until your thieving fore-fathers showed up lol. I guess they followed your fore-fathers ways lol. now your upset when Maori jump through your window and steal your plasma lol now thats a perfect example of hypocrisy.

but back to you and your comments about Moriori, did your forefather make amends to the Moriori they first kill, or were only wanting to talk about the ones the Taranaki tribe killed, sound like another example of hypocrisy...

Don't we learn quick, I didn't even need dictionary.com, lol. well I am all ears.

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At 27/9/07 1:44 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what case was this were they called them liars and theive. Post the name so I can check it out on brookers legal database.

I want to see who the liar is ere.

 
At 27/9/07 3:17 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

no case anon is was a letter from the privy council lord Mcnaughton... 1839 oh thats before the treaty of waitangi lol

It was then that the idea of a govt should be formed, AHEM not to govern Maori lol but to govern your criminal fore-fathers lol.

Why now know comment on the moriori lol did you want to retract your statement lol

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At 27/9/07 4:10 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

letters available from the Alexander Turnbull Library

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At 27/9/07 7:54 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truth hurts? where you go anon, come on... I like this topic lol

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At 27/9/07 9:41 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"which then made the statement from the privy council true: your fore fathers....doubt character, liars, thieves, criminals.."

A letter is not an authority, only the decisions of the Privy Council are seen to have any judicial authority so your reference lacks any legal force whatsoever.

I suspect that your making this up. First its a statement which would have to be a case and then now its a 'letter'. Next it will be an unattributed conversation.

I look forward to you backtracking further from you claims.

"I believe it was Taranaki tribe that killed them, not all of them.. but whats your point? was there a treaty with them of some sort?"

And by the way if the only excuse you require to justify the Taranaki tribes killing the Moriori was that there was no treaty then by your own warped reasoning the government should have wiped out the Maori in 1877 after the Wi Parata case declared the treaty of nullity and not to exist. No treaty = right to kill Maoris. What other feats of deductive logic will you give us next. I wanted to spare you the embarrassment of your logic since you obviously love to wallow in you victem mentality I won't.

Enjoying it now.

 
At 28/9/07 12:39 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

PART 1
Lets deal with this one at a time shall we lol first part of your reply..
A letter is not an authority, only the decisions of the Privy Council are seen to have any judicial authority so your reference lacks any legal force whatsoever.
I suspect that your making this up.


I posted on this some time back anon, but the Document you are looking for (if that) is;
British Crown Te Tiriti O Waitangi Intention. Standing orders in Council: Annexation of New Zealand to New South Wales, instructions from the Secretary of State for War and Colonies, Lord Normanby, To Captain Hobson, recent appointed H.M.Consul at New Zealand, Dated 14 August 1839.

now as for the remakes made by the privy council of the colonial bench & immigrants govt that can be found in a case study file Tamati vs. Baker.

How did I do in backing up my claim about the letter, I suppose now you will say it don't exist lol

PART 2

And by the way if the only excuse you require to justify the Taranaki tribes killing the Moriori was that there was no treaty then by your own warped reasoning the government should have wiped out the Maori in 1877 after the Wi Parata case declared the treaty of nullity and not to exist. No treaty = right to kill Maoris. What other feats of deductive logic will you give us next. I wanted to spare you the embarrassment of your logic since you obviously love to wallow in you victem mentality I won't.

No, please don't put words into my mouth, Taranaki tribes killed Moriori, we all know this now your trying to use it to justify what ever it is, then came the hypocrisy statements etc etc...

now to the new twist, about the govt should of wiped out Maori after the Wi Parata case declared the treaty of nullity and not to exist. LOL, I don't disagree the Wi Parata said this, maybe it was due to the fact that you criminal fore-fathers were stealing land with the "native land courts system" instead of the old fashion war.
But Ill entertain your thoughts on the govt wiping Maori out, if the treaty was null avoid etc etc.. But one problem you missed... if this was so... then the 1835 Declaration of Independence given to Maori by King William IV would kick in and under article 2 of that it States; All sovereign power and authority within the territories of the United Tribes of New Zealand is hereby declared to reside entirely and exclusively in the hereditary Chiefs and Heads of Tribes in their collective capacity, who also declare that they will not permit any legislative authority separate from ourselves in their collective capacity to exist, nor any function of Government to be exercised - within the said territories, unless by persons appointed by them, and acting under the authority of laws regularly enacted by them in Congress assembled.
so that will then mean... no colonial govt lol hard case isn't it lol.

Now you might say yeah right who will take it? well thats answered in article 4 of the Declaration of Independence; They also agree to send a copy of this Declaration to His Majesty the King of England, to thank him for his acknowledgment of their flag (not that Harawera rubbish) and in return for the friendship and protection they have shown, are prepared to show to such of his subjects as have settled in their country, or resorted to its shores for the purpose of trade, they entreat that he will continue to parent their infant state, and that he will become its protector from all attempts upon its independence. But we can all be greatful that didn't take place now huh..... lol I am not sure if you have the passion for this debate anon... but I admire your persistence.

FINALE

I wanted to spare you the embarrassment of your logic since you obviously love to wallow in you victem mentality I won't.

I don't feel embarrassed for proving you wrong, nope not one bit.... Neither do I wallow in victim anything, I just say the same thing you do "when a Maori steals your stuff"

GIVE IT BACK...

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At 28/9/07 5:54 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

Are we speaking METAPHORICALLY about the Chathams now Toast? Or not?

 
At 28/9/07 6:48 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh look spinners in... so what is it this time leggy... when we seem to get into these debates you tend to run off and hide when it doesn't go your way.

So now you want to join the chathams debate again? METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE lol...

Anon raised a point about the Moriori, then went into the hypocrisy speech, only to be confronted with his own hypocrisy it was all quite hard case...

of course he acted like you a bit with the name calling when things got stuff, and avoided everything that made him look stupid.. now I believe hes off chasing a letter, or not... who knows right, here maybe you do... doubtful but you just never no your luck in a big city.

But, anyway I gave anon a B- for effort... you know leggy, I must say that I am very surprised your still here... being confused about your identity, I thought you'll take at least a year to figure out if your white or brown..

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At 28/9/07 7:05 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

'of course he acted like you a bit with the name calling when things got stuff, and avoided everything that made him look stupid'

Heh

Pot

Kettle

Black

So how many Moriori were massacred by Maori in the Chathams again Toast?

 
At 28/9/07 7:43 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't know leggy, you tell us how many Taranaki tribe killed?

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At 28/9/07 9:33 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

leggy are you looking for the answer online?

come on boy...


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At 29/9/07 2:41 am, Anonymous Legio X said...

No, was sleeping Toast - you know other side of the world and all.

So you're not denying the massacre of Moriori by Maori now? Thats a bit of a turn around.

I take it the Privy Council is the b all and end all for you, which is pretty funny considering your twisted views on the colonisation of NZ.

Maybe though you're just a little confused and will grasp at any straw to try and justify your shakey position?

Anyway entertaining, watching you twist and turn like a seagull caught on a fishing line.

uwark uwark

 
At 29/9/07 8:01 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh spinner your the one gasping at straws... its you history not mine, I ain't a rug rat from a colonial crim.. I know the truth hurts, build a bridge and get over it...

I am still waiting to find out how many died in this massacre leggy, do you even know? while your at it, please tell us who killed the first Moriori there on the Chathams Islands leggy, did they sort that out, or just ignore it?

As alway leggy boy you still standing north east with your dick between a pair of tweezers tossing off, we all know your a wanker legio, most have come to accept it. lol

I know I wont get these answers from you leggy, like I said when things get to stuff you disappear and hide.. very legio

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At 29/9/07 9:01 am, Blogger hElL-b0y said...

you know I have watch this a lot, I wonder were does Hated get his info from... I have looked the at the reference to the letter and it is true, I can get a copy from the Alexander Turnbull Library.. Though I find it, surprising that all reference Hated has made is correct, which is unusual for a so called gang member would know about it.. Maybe theres more to him than you give him credit for?

Legio X, you really do look quite bad here I am afraid, your name calling it quite childish and you don't do your much justify anything at all..

NZ history and colonisation of it was terrible, not as bad as other places, but comparing doesn't make it NZ colonisation any better.

Hated I am surprise you have knowledge of these letters, regulations ans acts, I know no one will admit it.

 
At 29/9/07 10:50 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"which is unusual for a so called gang member would know about it.. Maybe theres more to him than you give him credit for?"

I would say there's less as he's probably not a gang member at all.

but full props to Pitied By Most for his references though. And Hellyboy I agree that he comes out looking better in this thread than the other one where Pitied plans to take over NZ with an army of P-heads and kiddie fuckers.

I'll salute your persistence and effort by using capital letters instead of lower case in your name. Happy now?

In respect to Pitied's other points:

I don't think that you quite understand what I was talking about. Let me break it down.

Toast: Colonial govnt killed our people and took our land. That's unfair.

response: yes but the Maori killed and disenfranchised the Moriori.

Toast: It's all good cos we didn't have a treaty with them so they were fair game and anybody who ain't Maori had not right to be here anyway guvnor.

response: That they didn't have a treaty is arbitrary and unjustified reason to kill and steal other peoples land and it is pure hypocrisy to claim that you were hard done by when others do the same to you.

Does that sound better to you.
A minus effort for the use of copy and paste.

J

 
At 29/9/07 11:58 am, Blogger hElL-b0y said...

Don't know if ill agree with you on that one... j

Him being a gang member is not what I mean, I don't know if he is or not... I guess by going to the Hell Angels place, will put to rest that question for you j & legio, it will accomplish 2 things 1. either he is and you will be in some danger or 2. he isn't and you will win, and you maybe in danger... but I don't think I am willing to go find out for the sake of others.


But if he is, him know of these things is not easily come by, one must research this material to find these things out, so Ill give that much credit for it anyway. I know I wont score know point for that, but one must give credit were credit is due. I work in a law office in Auckland on Vulcan lane so I know this info isn't in the public library.

Now, I also saw that argument, about war and things and I believe it was and anon, that ask Hated how will he do it, after Hated layed out his ideas anon played out the wrong move and bad plan and just like you did proceeded with the name calling...

Seriously War on any scale is stupid, yet so is name calling, you don't justify anything, it looks stupid.. when people resort to it, it does show that they have a lack of communication skills to debate the issue properly. I don't totally agree with Hated but some things he says does give food for thought. In the same manner some of it is stupid...

So I am sorry but I will stay on natural grounds here.

 
At 29/9/07 12:40 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"yet so is name calling, you don't justify anything, it looks stupid."

That's what this place is for. It gives us an opportunity to let off steam without the constraints of a face to face meeting. I doubt (and hope) that any of us are like this in real life.

I'll probably check out his info on the letters in due course since I have access to a law library but exams are coming up so I really can't be fucked. I suspect he hasn't seen the letters but read about them from a secondary source. But what irks me is his progressive climbdown from a statement of the privy council to private correspondence when faced with the prospect of someone calling his game.

glaister ennor?

J

 
At 30/9/07 10:45 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

jj lol so you think i have seen the letter lol well take the full and complete tit i mentioned earlier and go look it up....

if you want to find out if I am a so called Gang Member just come on down to the HAMC and ask for SES... I don't have to lie about any of these things...

That's what this place is for. It gives us an opportunity to let off steam without the constraints of a face to face meeting. I doubt (and hope) that any of us are like this in real life.
So name calling is your righteous way of blowing up steam sounds very white of you jj, but the last part cracks me up, I could bet you and legio are exactly that way in real life, talk shit behind so ones back... lol

Typical to see Legio couldn't answer them questions.... lol fucking rug-rats

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