Bills boy don’t like the fags much
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Bills boy don’t like the fags much
During the ‘moral crises’ of the ‘anti-smacking’ legislation, Bill English said he was "totally responsible for [his] children's physical and moral welfare," and that children need parental direction. Really Bill? Well what’s all this about his precious little sons unbelievable homophobic comments posted on his Bebo site? I appreciate the kids young, but sweet jesus the stuff he has to say is jaw dropping, this excellent story from the good people at www.gaynz.com…
A teenage son of National Party Deputy Leader and spokesperson on education, Bill English, who is also the MP for Clutha/Southland, has for some months been expressing beliefs such as that 'emos' (young people who openly express emotional angst through their fashion and music) - whom he constantly equates with homosexuals - are more hated than both blacks and Jews combined, "and for good reason too." He also refers to them as "whiney faggots".
Within the past week, the page has been updated to reference a soccer match with the words "some college fags are gonna to get stabbed with katanas [Japanese fighting swords] - which he believes is "excellent."
The profile also links to a page which idolises homophobic American rapper 50 Cent and states "hu ever goes ther [apparently Wellington College] is a col fag hu evas goin 2 go ther will be turned extrmely homosexual by the outstanding number of men and young boys and well dont go 2 coll... if u r thinking of goin 2 coll..u will extremley homosexual but also be coll fagerized," and "coll and scots have combined "all boys" dances, where ur ticket in is a condom."
This is all pretty desperately hateful stuff, and one cant help but wonder if Bill is totally responsible for his sons moral welfare, because if I had a child who was spouting septic hate like that, I’d want my money back from my Dad of the Year award. The response however has been the amazing bit, Bill attacked the website who had brought the issue to his attention and makes some ludicrous suggestion that it’s the doings of the Labour party, Bill – FORGET HELEN, this is your kid writing deeply hateful shit, you need to go do some Fathering here, not scream about how unfair it is, IF he wrote this and at no time have you actually denied that he did, you have some issues you need to work through with him. I wonder if he had used nigger would it simply be a Labour Party plot?
The kind of hate his son shows queer folk is the sort of hate one only learns at dads elbow.
posted by Bomber @ 8:02 am
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25 Comments:
Nah, I don't buy that. The kid's 14 and parents can't constantly be supervising internet use. Further, I bet the kid does not use this language in front of his parents so they would be unaware of their kid's views. This was a low one by gaynz.com and they displayed a certain degree of both arrogance and preciousness in publishing the article (one only has to read their precious justification article published later on). A 14 year old should not have his name smeared in the papers just because he wrote stupid hateful things (and teenagers are a hell of a lot more homophobic than adults). It was only published because he is the child of a National MP. There was no genuine justification for it and displays a huge degree of power imbalance which is ironic coming from a group that has traditionally been marginalised. I would say that it borders on psychological abuse by gaynz.com.
What's creepy is that gaynz are cruising the social networking pages of teenage boys. What the hell were they doing there in the first place. This is kind of gross.
Just like a hatred of cops and a love of criminals can only be learned at the father's elbow eh Bomber?
The kind of hate his son shows queer folk is the sort of hate one only learns at dads elbow.
Were you homeschooled or something? Denied contact with children your own age?
How is this even news the kid is 14 at 14 did you like gays bomber?
Sorry you were one so of course you did.
Is it just me or did Bomber not say in a article yesterday
Mr Selwyn will be back writing sometime after the 1st October as he will be out of prison after being granted Home Detention.
Then we have this article. What was the site you got this from bomber?
Anyone who has kids knows - 14 year old boys can make you lose the will to live at times, at other times you wonder where you went wrong. Fortunatly things usually improve.
Very poor form for adults (who unlike 14 year olds should know better) to use a 14 year old to score points.
This is an example why children should not vote.
hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm so a spoilt 14 year old son of a natianal mp can go on the net and smear and abuse but when he gets caught out and named its not right ????????????
sounds to me like the little creeps just learned a lesson regarding his behavior.
...............an interesting question is which way did bill english vote in the homosexual decriminalization bill.
............ I know where I'd put my money if I were betting on which way he voted.
I think there is a precedent for not naming children isn't there.
When children are charged with criminal offences aren't they often given name supresion. I think even if convicted many still get permanent name surpresion.
Poor old Bo ber, His moral compass is so distorted that he thinks this is news.
A fourteen year old boy, I'll repeat that cause its important, A fourteen year old boy, makes comments on the net that Bo ber disagrees with and is vilified for it. This is Bo ber ' the voice of youth' Bradbury being so understanding about all this.
If it was someone else's son would a word have been said?
Somehow what this boy wrote is his fathers fault. Why not his mothers?
Oh his father happens to be a politician that Bo ber disagrees with.
Bo ber you are so twisted by your political beliefs that you can't see that this is wrong and thats very sad.
Of NZ Racist, of course, we expect nothing less.
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I've watched a lot of apologists for homophobia post today - i wonder if we would be so apologetic if he had used the word nigger or is a bit of fag bashing ojay? Is it a news story because of who his father is? Of course it is, earlier this year we had Bill tell us he's in control of his kids, he made his fathership the political issue, here's evidence that his son has some very hateful things to say - my surprise is how accomodating everyone is for Bills son when he makes a mistake. I'm just surprised by the language Bills son uses, it's not just the usual 'boys will be boys' playground talk - it's really vicious language, I'm pleasently surprised at everyones tolerance, let's hope this air of forgiveness extends to the next dumb kid who does soemthing dumb.
He's 14. What sort of a 14 year old develops these views in isolation? Parents will always play a major role in building the foundations of a child's views and beliefs.
Well Thomas, WHEN you reach the age of fourteen you will find that as a young, young man you may be a little confused about your feelings towards gay people. Most people grow out of it as they age a little and become a little more secure in themselves.
'I've watched a lot of apologists for homophobia post today'
To Bo ber anyone who disagrees with his attempted smear is homophobic.
How completely predictable.
Black kids (particularly male) say some disgusting things, bitch, whore, slut, hori, and worse, most (I hope) will grow out of it. I recall my kids said some pretty bad stuff around this age, a phase that didn't last to long, I think they got a thrill out of watching me wince and cringe.
When (or if) you have children you will see how they go through stages where they love to do things that they know goes against their parents values. Ms Clarke is an example, National party stalwarts breed a left wing daughter.
I don’t think people are defending anything but I suspect most posters on this have children and can empathise to some extent with this one. I agree with a previous poster though it’s interesting to see a father cop the blame for a change.
By all means pick on English senior, he chooses to be in the public eye, but leave a 14 year old alone. Tamihere has an adult murdering brother but do you blame him (or his parents, who seem like pretty decent people) for that, he also has a prison officer brother.
Sometimes peoples kids turn out bad, I have seen it and it usually leaves parents devastated, but we can’t judge a 14 year old on words just yet. Sure if he goes out attacking people, or committing other offences that endanger others like drink driving, or (like adult Tim) graffitiing or damaging an office of a group, that is a very different story, and I think you would see a dramatic shift in reaction.
Murray Madeline O'Hair had a son who became a fundimetalist christian.
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'I've watched a lot of apologists for homophobia post today'
To Bo ber anyone who disagrees with his attempted smear is homophobic.
How completely predictable
Silly lego, I didn't say you were homophobic, I simply said you were an apologist for homophobics
Black kids (particularly male) say some disgusting things, bitch, whore, slut, hori, and worse, most (I hope) will grow out of it. I recall my kids said some pretty bad stuff around this age, a phase that didn't last to long, I think they got a thrill out of watching me wince and cringe.
When (or if) you have children you will see how they go through stages where they love to do things that they know goes against their parents values. Ms Clarke is an example, National party stalwarts breed a left wing daughter.
I don’t think people are defending anything but I suspect most posters on this have children and can empathise to some extent with this one. I agree with a previous poster though it’s interesting to see a father cop the blame for a change.
By all means pick on English senior, he chooses to be in the public eye, but leave a 14 year old alone. Tamihere has an adult murdering brother but do you blame him (or his parents, who seem like pretty decent people) for that, he also has a prison officer brother.
Sometimes peoples kids turn out bad, I have seen it and it usually leaves parents devastated, but we can’t judge a 14 year old on words just yet. Sure if he goes out attacking people, or committing other offences that endanger others like drink driving, or (like adult Tim) graffitiing or damaging an office of a group, that is a very different story, and I think you would see a dramatic shift in reaction.
I don't disagree Anon, I think you are very wise with what you have to say here - but the fact that English took so long to have the material removed (his office was contacted several times by Gaynz) and the sheer venom in his kids words is really very surprising, and I come back to the point that if his venom was race based as oppossed to gay based the lines trotted out now in defence just wouldn't wash - we have a casual acceptance of homophobia, thats the point I'm trying to make.
Not speaking about this case but generally.
Possible explanations/reasons (not excuses) for displays of 'venom' towards homosexual men from young males going through the stresses, trauma and confusion of puberty.
Troubled teenager who is just a nasty brat, likely to grow into an equally nasty adult.
Troubled teenager going through a nasty brat phase, likely to grow into a decent adult.
Teenager from a vicious home with nasty parent(s) who has been taught prejudice.
Troubled teenager from a fair and decent home who is rebelling.
Troubled teenager feeling hate or anger towards their parents.
Troubled teenager setting out to embarrass their parents.
Troubled teenager with is lonely, isolated or bored.
Troubled teenager seeking attention.
Troubled teenager with a drug or alcohol problem.
Troubled teenager who is going through a fundamental religious phase.
Troubled teenager embarrassed by their own emerging sexual feelings.
Troubled teenager confused about their own sexual orientation.
Troubled teenager with depression.
Troubled teenager subjected to sexual abuse.
Troubled teenage victim of bullying. Some children are more likely to be targets of bullies i.e. those of high profile parents, those who may be seen as a bit ‘gay’ by their peers.
Bullying is a scourge throughout NZ society, victims can find trying to hurt others is their only diversion from their own pain.
Daresay there are others but it might be a good idea to give them the benefit of the doubt (for now) as I think suicide amongst teenage boys is sometimes associated with the above.
“Casual acceptance’. The primary victims of casual acceptance of distain, contempt, prejudice and abuse are NZ women. I think the stats and facts will show that, as a group, homosexual men have done pretty well and made major gains in the last 20 years, the stats and facts tell a much sadder story when it comes to women.
Poor Thomas, you'd feel a bit sorry for him if he wasn't such a dickhead.
Thomas - HELLO - Its a fourteen year old boy.
Is there any point with you Thomas?
Na, I don't think so, like Bo ber your idealogical fire burns to brightly to see that you might be damaging this boy, and like Bo ber you just don't care because it scores a few imaginary points.
Right couple of losers.
Your immaturity is like a beacon, for all to see.
of course leggy is the first to bleat and scream when brown kids do something wrong ain't you leggy, but look at all the excuses in the world for 14 year old sons of political leaders he loves - leggy weren't you braying for kids to be charged like adults when NZ First suggested it? I love how quick leggy can change his tune when he wants to.
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“Casual acceptance’. The primary victims of casual acceptance of distain, contempt, prejudice and abuse are NZ women. I think the stats and facts will show that, as a group, homosexual men have done pretty well and made major gains in the last 20 years, the stats and facts tell a much sadder story when it comes to women.
Yes there is a casual acceptance of Homophobia and abuse towrads women, your list should be a starting point for Bill English perhaps, I mean he is in control of his sons moral well being, he said so during the 'anti smacking' debate - the reason National and their friends are desperatly trying to smooth this over is because they've worked so hard under key to wipe clean the fact conservatives tend to be homophobic anti women (isn't National closing the womens affairs department) fuckwits. Having ones son vomit homophobic trash on his Bebo site doesn't help with the finish on that image.
I love how much outreach of understanding is going into this 14 year old son of Bill English however, I hope to see the same level of understanding when a none white child of a poor family fucks up.
I did a quick bit of internet searching to try and see which way english senior voted on the homosexual law reform bill and couldn't find it.
This makes interesting reading though http://www.gaynz.net.nz/history/BillPasses.html#passes
The nats were very much the party against it( with a couple of exceptions)
So it seems quite possible english's abusive lad learnt it all at home.
.......... any way we all know what a homophobe is.
Some s....l....o....w posters here dont even know what racist means ;-)
For fucks sake bomber it shows how detached from reality you are that you think this is out of the ordinary for a 14 year old, bebo is FULL of stuff like this, just like school yards, sports teams, it's everywhere among that age group, along with racism and sexism. I have a lost a lot of respect for you, and for gaynz in that they bring this up. Hell I know my younger brother talks like that, and our father is polar opposite to Bill English in most regards. Kids don't learn this shit from their parents, they learn it at school, from crap movies and tv and crap music, then they grow out of it. Myself and my friends did. You probably did too. Take a look around and see what is actually going on. What sort of childhood did you have if you think parents have that much control/influence over children at that age? Fuck you are an egg.
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LOL - So because everyone is a homophobe at that age it's acceptable? Wow, I wonder where you've been hiding that intellectual power house of a mind all this time Satan?
I wonder what Bomber would have said if such comments were made by Labour MP's son.
Probably nothing.
You missed the point bomber, you really lack intellect
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