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Friday, September 28, 2007

Bills boy don’t like the fags much


Alt Tv/Fleet FM Breakfast News Comment
Bills boy don’t like the fags much
During the ‘moral crises’ of the ‘anti-smacking’ legislation, Bill English said he was "totally responsible for [his] children's physical and moral welfare," and that children need parental direction. Really Bill? Well what’s all this about his precious little sons unbelievable homophobic comments posted on his Bebo site? I appreciate the kids young, but sweet jesus the stuff he has to say is jaw dropping, this excellent story from the good people at www.gaynz.com…

A teenage son of National Party Deputy Leader and spokesperson on education, Bill English, who is also the MP for Clutha/Southland, has for some months been expressing beliefs such as that 'emos' (young people who openly express emotional angst through their fashion and music) - whom he constantly equates with homosexuals - are more hated than both blacks and Jews combined, "and for good reason too." He also refers to them as "whiney faggots".
Within the past week, the page has been updated to reference a soccer match with the words "some college fags are gonna to get stabbed with katanas [Japanese fighting swords] - which he believes is "excellent."
The profile also links to a page which idolises homophobic American rapper 50 Cent and states "hu ever goes ther [apparently Wellington College] is a col fag hu evas goin 2 go ther will be turned extrmely homosexual by the outstanding number of men and young boys and well dont go 2 coll... if u r thinking of goin 2 coll..u will extremley homosexual but also be coll fagerized," and "coll and scots have combined "all boys" dances, where ur ticket in is a condom."


This is all pretty desperately hateful stuff, and one cant help but wonder if Bill is totally responsible for his sons moral welfare, because if I had a child who was spouting septic hate like that, I’d want my money back from my Dad of the Year award. The response however has been the amazing bit, Bill attacked the website who had brought the issue to his attention and makes some ludicrous suggestion that it’s the doings of the Labour party, Bill – FORGET HELEN, this is your kid writing deeply hateful shit, you need to go do some Fathering here, not scream about how unfair it is, IF he wrote this and at no time have you actually denied that he did, you have some issues you need to work through with him. I wonder if he had used nigger would it simply be a Labour Party plot?

The kind of hate his son shows queer folk is the sort of hate one only learns at dads elbow.

31 Comments:

At 28/9/07 8:50 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nah, I don't buy that. The kid's 14 and parents can't constantly be supervising internet use. Further, I bet the kid does not use this language in front of his parents so they would be unaware of their kid's views. This was a low one by gaynz.com and they displayed a certain degree of both arrogance and preciousness in publishing the article (one only has to read their precious justification article published later on). A 14 year old should not have his name smeared in the papers just because he wrote stupid hateful things (and teenagers are a hell of a lot more homophobic than adults). It was only published because he is the child of a National MP. There was no genuine justification for it and displays a huge degree of power imbalance which is ironic coming from a group that has traditionally been marginalised. I would say that it borders on psychological abuse by gaynz.com.

 
At 28/9/07 9:12 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's creepy is that gaynz are cruising the social networking pages of teenage boys. What the hell were they doing there in the first place. This is kind of gross.

 
At 28/9/07 9:32 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The kind of hate his son shows queer folk is the sort of hate one only learns at dads elbow.

What utter bullshit.

 
At 28/9/07 9:37 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just like a hatred of cops and a love of criminals can only be learned at the father's elbow eh Bomber?

 
At 28/9/07 9:37 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The kind of hate his son shows queer folk is the sort of hate one only learns at dads elbow.

Were you homeschooled or something? Denied contact with children your own age?

 
At 28/9/07 10:38 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is this even news the kid is 14 at 14 did you like gays bomber?

Sorry you were one so of course you did.

 
At 28/9/07 10:44 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once again the Labour Party are resorting to dirty tactics to undermind National.

You know what I am sick of this PC left wing party, its very low when they resort to using a 14 year old boy to make national look like homophobs.

HEY LABOUR hows about you HARDEN THE FUCK UP.

 
At 28/9/07 10:46 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry one last thing bomber if you are not gay what the fuck are you doing looking at

www.gaynz.com

 
At 28/9/07 10:51 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it just me or did Bomber not say in a article yesterday

Mr Selwyn will be back writing sometime after the 1st October as he will be out of prison after being granted Home Detention.

Then we have this article. What was the site you got this from bomber?

 
At 28/9/07 12:23 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who has kids knows - 14 year old boys can make you lose the will to live at times, at other times you wonder where you went wrong. Fortunatly things usually improve.

Very poor form for adults (who unlike 14 year olds should know better) to use a 14 year old to score points.

This is an example why children should not vote.

 
At 28/9/07 1:01 pm, Anonymous nznative said...

hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm so a spoilt 14 year old son of a natianal mp can go on the net and smear and abuse but when he gets caught out and named its not right ????????????

sounds to me like the little creeps just learned a lesson regarding his behavior.

...............an interesting question is which way did bill english vote in the homosexual decriminalization bill.

............ I know where I'd put my money if I were betting on which way he voted.

 
At 28/9/07 1:09 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joke on the toilet door in the library at uni.SILLY FAGGOTS DICKS ARE FOR CHICKS!

 
At 28/9/07 2:06 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think there is a precedent for not naming children isn't there.

When children are charged with criminal offences aren't they often given name supresion. I think even if convicted many still get permanent name surpresion.

 
At 28/9/07 5:05 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

Poor old Bo ber, His moral compass is so distorted that he thinks this is news.

A fourteen year old boy, I'll repeat that cause its important, A fourteen year old boy, makes comments on the net that Bo ber disagrees with and is vilified for it. This is Bo ber ' the voice of youth' Bradbury being so understanding about all this.

If it was someone else's son would a word have been said?

Somehow what this boy wrote is his fathers fault. Why not his mothers?

Oh his father happens to be a politician that Bo ber disagrees with.

Bo ber you are so twisted by your political beliefs that you can't see that this is wrong and thats very sad.

Of NZ Racist, of course, we expect nothing less.

 
At 28/9/07 5:13 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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I've watched a lot of apologists for homophobia post today - i wonder if we would be so apologetic if he had used the word nigger or is a bit of fag bashing ojay? Is it a news story because of who his father is? Of course it is, earlier this year we had Bill tell us he's in control of his kids, he made his fathership the political issue, here's evidence that his son has some very hateful things to say - my surprise is how accomodating everyone is for Bills son when he makes a mistake. I'm just surprised by the language Bills son uses, it's not just the usual 'boys will be boys' playground talk - it's really vicious language, I'm pleasently surprised at everyones tolerance, let's hope this air of forgiveness extends to the next dumb kid who does soemthing dumb.

 
At 28/9/07 5:53 pm, Blogger Thomas said...

He's 14. What sort of a 14 year old develops these views in isolation? Parents will always play a major role in building the foundations of a child's views and beliefs.

 
At 28/9/07 6:02 pm, Anonymous Legio X said...

Well Thomas, WHEN you reach the age of fourteen you will find that as a young, young man you may be a little confused about your feelings towards gay people. Most people grow out of it as they age a little and become a little more secure in themselves.

'I've watched a lot of apologists for homophobia post today'

To Bo ber anyone who disagrees with his attempted smear is homophobic.

How completely predictable.

 
At 28/9/07 6:06 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Black kids (particularly male) say some disgusting things, bitch, whore, slut, hori, and worse, most (I hope) will grow out of it. I recall my kids said some pretty bad stuff around this age, a phase that didn't last to long, I think they got a thrill out of watching me wince and cringe.

When (or if) you have children you will see how they go through stages where they love to do things that they know goes against their parents values. Ms Clarke is an example, National party stalwarts breed a left wing daughter.

I don’t think people are defending anything but I suspect most posters on this have children and can empathise to some extent with this one. I agree with a previous poster though it’s interesting to see a father cop the blame for a change.

By all means pick on English senior, he chooses to be in the public eye, but leave a 14 year old alone. Tamihere has an adult murdering brother but do you blame him (or his parents, who seem like pretty decent people) for that, he also has a prison officer brother.

Sometimes peoples kids turn out bad, I have seen it and it usually leaves parents devastated, but we can’t judge a 14 year old on words just yet. Sure if he goes out attacking people, or committing other offences that endanger others like drink driving, or (like adult Tim) graffitiing or damaging an office of a group, that is a very different story, and I think you would see a dramatic shift in reaction.

 
At 28/9/07 6:09 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Murray Madeline O'Hair had a son who became a fundimetalist christian.

 
At 28/9/07 6:16 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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'I've watched a lot of apologists for homophobia post today'

To Bo ber anyone who disagrees with his attempted smear is homophobic.

How completely predictable


Silly lego, I didn't say you were homophobic, I simply said you were an apologist for homophobics

Black kids (particularly male) say some disgusting things, bitch, whore, slut, hori, and worse, most (I hope) will grow out of it. I recall my kids said some pretty bad stuff around this age, a phase that didn't last to long, I think they got a thrill out of watching me wince and cringe.

When (or if) you have children you will see how they go through stages where they love to do things that they know goes against their parents values. Ms Clarke is an example, National party stalwarts breed a left wing daughter.

I don’t think people are defending anything but I suspect most posters on this have children and can empathise to some extent with this one. I agree with a previous poster though it’s interesting to see a father cop the blame for a change.

By all means pick on English senior, he chooses to be in the public eye, but leave a 14 year old alone. Tamihere has an adult murdering brother but do you blame him (or his parents, who seem like pretty decent people) for that, he also has a prison officer brother.

Sometimes peoples kids turn out bad, I have seen it and it usually leaves parents devastated, but we can’t judge a 14 year old on words just yet. Sure if he goes out attacking people, or committing other offences that endanger others like drink driving, or (like adult Tim) graffitiing or damaging an office of a group, that is a very different story, and I think you would see a dramatic shift in reaction.


I don't disagree Anon, I think you are very wise with what you have to say here - but the fact that English took so long to have the material removed (his office was contacted several times by Gaynz) and the sheer venom in his kids words is really very surprising, and I come back to the point that if his venom was race based as oppossed to gay based the lines trotted out now in defence just wouldn't wash - we have a casual acceptance of homophobia, thats the point I'm trying to make.

 
At 28/9/07 8:29 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not speaking about this case but generally.

Possible explanations/reasons (not excuses) for displays of 'venom' towards homosexual men from young males going through the stresses, trauma and confusion of puberty.

Troubled teenager who is just a nasty brat, likely to grow into an equally nasty adult.
Troubled teenager going through a nasty brat phase, likely to grow into a decent adult.
Teenager from a vicious home with nasty parent(s) who has been taught prejudice.
Troubled teenager from a fair and decent home who is rebelling.
Troubled teenager feeling hate or anger towards their parents.
Troubled teenager setting out to embarrass their parents.
Troubled teenager with is lonely, isolated or bored.
Troubled teenager seeking attention.
Troubled teenager with a drug or alcohol problem.
Troubled teenager who is going through a fundamental religious phase.
Troubled teenager embarrassed by their own emerging sexual feelings.
Troubled teenager confused about their own sexual orientation.
Troubled teenager with depression.
Troubled teenager subjected to sexual abuse.
Troubled teenage victim of bullying. Some children are more likely to be targets of bullies i.e. those of high profile parents, those who may be seen as a bit ‘gay’ by their peers.
Bullying is a scourge throughout NZ society, victims can find trying to hurt others is their only diversion from their own pain.

Daresay there are others but it might be a good idea to give them the benefit of the doubt (for now) as I think suicide amongst teenage boys is sometimes associated with the above.

“Casual acceptance’. The primary victims of casual acceptance of distain, contempt, prejudice and abuse are NZ women. I think the stats and facts will show that, as a group, homosexual men have done pretty well and made major gains in the last 20 years, the stats and facts tell a much sadder story when it comes to women.

 
At 29/9/07 12:01 am, Blogger Thomas said...

Stop making fucking excuses for this kid. It is so bloody obvious this kid was influenced by his upbringing. If it were a Labour politicians child there would be an outrage!

 
At 29/9/07 2:27 am, Anonymous Legio X said...

Poor Thomas, you'd feel a bit sorry for him if he wasn't such a dickhead.

Thomas - HELLO - Its a fourteen year old boy.

Is there any point with you Thomas?

Na, I don't think so, like Bo ber your idealogical fire burns to brightly to see that you might be damaging this boy, and like Bo ber you just don't care because it scores a few imaginary points.

Right couple of losers.

Your immaturity is like a beacon, for all to see.

 
At 29/9/07 7:08 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

of course leggy is the first to bleat and scream when brown kids do something wrong ain't you leggy, but look at all the excuses in the world for 14 year old sons of political leaders he loves - leggy weren't you braying for kids to be charged like adults when NZ First suggested it? I love how quick leggy can change his tune when he wants to.

L

 
At 29/9/07 7:14 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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“Casual acceptance’. The primary victims of casual acceptance of distain, contempt, prejudice and abuse are NZ women. I think the stats and facts will show that, as a group, homosexual men have done pretty well and made major gains in the last 20 years, the stats and facts tell a much sadder story when it comes to women.
Yes there is a casual acceptance of Homophobia and abuse towrads women, your list should be a starting point for Bill English perhaps, I mean he is in control of his sons moral well being, he said so during the 'anti smacking' debate - the reason National and their friends are desperatly trying to smooth this over is because they've worked so hard under key to wipe clean the fact conservatives tend to be homophobic anti women (isn't National closing the womens affairs department) fuckwits. Having ones son vomit homophobic trash on his Bebo site doesn't help with the finish on that image.

I love how much outreach of understanding is going into this 14 year old son of Bill English however, I hope to see the same level of understanding when a none white child of a poor family fucks up.

 
At 29/9/07 4:23 pm, Anonymous nznative said...

I did a quick bit of internet searching to try and see which way english senior voted on the homosexual law reform bill and couldn't find it.

This makes interesting reading though http://www.gaynz.net.nz/history/BillPasses.html#passes

The nats were very much the party against it( with a couple of exceptions)

So it seems quite possible english's abusive lad learnt it all at home.

.......... any way we all know what a homophobe is.

Some s....l....o....w posters here dont even know what racist means ;-)

 
At 2/10/07 11:48 am, Anonymous SATAN said...

For fucks sake bomber it shows how detached from reality you are that you think this is out of the ordinary for a 14 year old, bebo is FULL of stuff like this, just like school yards, sports teams, it's everywhere among that age group, along with racism and sexism. I have a lost a lot of respect for you, and for gaynz in that they bring this up. Hell I know my younger brother talks like that, and our father is polar opposite to Bill English in most regards. Kids don't learn this shit from their parents, they learn it at school, from crap movies and tv and crap music, then they grow out of it. Myself and my friends did. You probably did too. Take a look around and see what is actually going on. What sort of childhood did you have if you think parents have that much control/influence over children at that age? Fuck you are an egg.

 
At 2/10/07 11:53 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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LOL - So because everyone is a homophobe at that age it's acceptable? Wow, I wonder where you've been hiding that intellectual power house of a mind all this time Satan?

 
At 2/10/07 12:54 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what Bomber would have said if such comments were made by Labour MP's son.

Probably nothing.

 
At 3/10/07 11:31 am, Anonymous satan said...

You missed the point bomber, you really lack intellect

 
At 21/2/09 8:22 pm, Anonymous Sven said...

There are two kinds of straight people in the world, the ones that hate you to your face and the ones that hate you behind your back, at least the 14 y-o boy has the balls to say how he feels.

it doesn't matter if he's 14 or if he's 40.....all straight people are biggots. so what, they don't want us to have rights, they don't want us to have shit...so fuck 'em....I AM READY TO FIGHT! and i will, tooth and nail.

Let them say whatever they want, just don't walk up to me spouting your bullshit, cause i don't fight like a bitch.

 

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