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Monday, August 27, 2007

15year old victim thrown in Jail for not helping cops – that’ll teach her!


Alt Tv/Fleet FM Breakfast News Comment
15year old victim thrown in Jail for not helping cops – that’ll teach her!
A girl who was sent to jail for refusing to answer questions in court should be given more respect, Victim Support says. The 15-year-old spent 45 minutes in a court cell after refusing to testify against her father, who was facing several charges including indecent assault and unlawful sexual connection. The law has recently been changed so that it is unlawful to not help Police in a prosecution, this girl had been sexually violated by her Father, had decided not to testify and she was put in a court cell that’ll teach her for not helping the Police! What a cruel and unusual outcome from a system that demands co-operation with Police.

Punishing someone regardless of the outcome for not doing what the cops demand, how very NZ.

17 Comments:

At 27/8/07 11:05 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nail em to the block sig sig

 
At 27/8/07 1:43 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You really have no clue about what this law change entails do you?

And by the way she was placed in jail by a judge for refusing to do what the *COURTS* demand. That is that if you make an allegation which spurs a lengthy and extremely expensive prosecution placing a man in custody you can't suddenly turn around and tell a judge that after all that you can't be bothered giving evidence.

 
At 27/8/07 2:05 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

toss toss anon please, shes 15 not 35..

you can't suddenly turn around and tell a judge that after all that you can't be bothered giving evidence.
Why not I thought we are all born free in this country... hmmm

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At 27/8/07 2:24 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeh we are born free and also free to face the consequences of our actions. Do you really think she should be able to make the allegations she did waste the police and the courts time like she did by refusing to testify letting some pedophile escape his crime?

This law means that people can't be intimidated or coerced out of giving evidence by the offenders. Which often happens in domestic violence and ones like this where the 'victim' being threatened by her partner used to be able to take spousal immunity and refuse to testify out of fear.

 
At 27/8/07 2:32 pm, Blogger bomber said...

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Are you listening to yourself? The end product of this was a 15 year old victim of sexual assult from her own father being put in a cell, traumatising her even further -I understand the idea this law change was supposed to bring about, but its a little fucked up if this is the result now isn't fella?

 
At 27/8/07 2:47 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy Shit, bomber actually defending he Cops. Now I know hes gay and Hated is his lover

 
At 27/8/07 3:07 pm, Blogger bomber said...

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Holy Shit, bomber actually defending he Cops. Now I know hes gay and Hated is his lover
Umm - can you read? I didn't support the Police on this at all

 
At 27/8/07 3:16 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you understand the situation at all Bomber? IT WASN'T THE POLICE WHO PUT HER IN JAIL, IT WAS A JUDGE BECAUSE SHE WASTED THE COURTS TIME.

Why on earth do you turn this around and blame those evil pigs who were trying to put a kiddy fiddler away.

 
At 27/8/07 3:20 pm, Blogger bomber said...

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who pushed for the legislation change?

 
At 27/8/07 3:35 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow you really are getting desperate to blame the police for this aren't you, talk about reaching.

It was a judge who used his discretion to place this girl in the cells to think about her decision to waste everyones time. A huge amount of resources and money was wasted which could have been used to help others and instead this girl chose to let a pedo walk free.

 
At 27/8/07 3:38 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 27/8/07 3:48 pm, Blogger bomber said...

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Wow you really are getting desperate to blame the police for this aren't you, talk about reaching.
And aren't you doing everything to miss the point - who pushed for the legislation change that meant not co-operating with the Police could land you inside - the recent law change - who pushed for that power?

It was a judge who used his discretion to place this girl in the cells to think about her decision to waste everyones time. A huge amount of resources and money was wasted which could have been used to help others and instead this girl chose to let a pedo walk free.
Yes it was a judge, but who pushed for the new evidence act? Blaming the Judge for dumb law is bullshit, hus hands were tied under this new act...Crown prosecutor Simon Moore said judges had few options under the new Evidence Act but to hold people in contempt of court for refusing to give evidence. Speaking generally, he said people held in contempt were tryingto keep evidence from coming before the courts.

And lets remind ourselves how this 15 year old victim of molestation ended up in a cell, she refused to give evidence against the accused - HER FATHER - one can only imagine the headfuck that would bring about - yet listen to you and your nonsense arguement trying to defend this - which leads me back to the final line in the blog - Punishing someone regardless of the outcome for not doing what the cops demand, how very NZ.

 
At 27/8/07 4:05 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And aren't you doing everything to miss the point - who pushed for the legislation change that meant not co-operating with the Police could land you inside - the recent law change - who pushed for that power?"

Thats not what the legislation is about, why don't you at least read it , understand it and then comment. It has nothing to do with "co-operating" with the Police, its there to stop people from subverting the course of justice allowing criminals to walk free.

The Police amongst many other groups supported it because they are faced all the time with Women who have been brutally and continually bashed by their partners and finally try to break the cycle by calling the Police. Only they then end up being threatened, manipulated and beaten by their partners and as a result refusing to give evidence in court because they are scared of him.

Your only basis for taking exception is this law is because a 15 year old girl spent 45 minutes in a court cell. It was solely up to the judge whether or not he put her in the cells and it was the judge who was privy to the full set of circumstances surrounding his decision, not you or I. Judges are certainly not forced to take such options, this judge simply chose to .

I know that doesn't fit into your simplistic world view in which Police are automatically evil agents of oppression but your just going to have to learn to grow up a bit.

I have a lot of sympathy for the girl but for you to blame the cops who worked their arses off trying to get the prick who molested her is just ridiculous.

 
At 27/8/07 7:16 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont like Kidd fuckers either anon, but what proof, is their to say hes actually guility of the crime. In my time I have seen guys drop weights on the chest of another man and seen a guys eye rammed into his face, just because people said hes a kid fucker,turn out wasn't true. But not according to you, I read your extended mini series, on the "Days of your opinion" frantic you were to hit back at bomber just so you can put your opinion across.. of "what exactly?" "the judge did it and not the police, all people brought before the courts are guilty, before the evidence is given... hmmm sounds like something my tupuna faced.

why cant anyone change there mind over anything, if you went to by something got the deal sorted, then something better came along you trying to say its wrong to change your mind ... Just because its the courts... lol

Who the fuck are they. but getting your understanding of it all, the police can do no wrong because they worked their ass off or is it that everyone, according to you; everyone that comes before the JustShit system are complete criminals even before evidence is given. How dumb is that if the person wishes to change there mind... it is the way it is... no point losing the plot over it... more reflection should be given for the supposed victum, than to be held in contemp. Did anyone like the crown prosecution think to step in and ask for a 20 minute break for the girl, so they can get a counsellor in to talk to her about why she changed her mind, meaning to say she was their witness.

Its a sad cunt of affairs isnt it anon, your all suppose to be the self righteous law bidding clowns and i am suppose to be the Hells Angels crim, yet I can see what you can't, why is that?

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At 27/8/07 10:07 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should definately amend this piece of legislation. I can't see how it could be Parliament's intent to place a 15 year girl in a holding cell to be sexually harassed.

 
At 28/8/07 7:34 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if the girl originally placed the charges? Or was it the police? If it was the girl, then I guess the argument about wasting time is relevant, but if it was the police then she shouldn't be forced to testify.

Either way, afte what she was supposed to have experienced at the hands of her father, she should never have been locked up.

NS

 
At 29/8/07 9:46 pm, Anonymous nznative said...

Its sad but no longer shocking that some people should think that a girl who refuses to testify against her own father should be 'wasting the courts time'.

Because for some biological reason even kids who have been abused by their parents still often love their parents and dont want them sent to jail.

This law is simple bullying and stand over tactics.

As it meant more power for the police its not at all surprising they were right behind it.

This is what happens when you get ignorant stuck up judges ( who are after all just lawyers ) and our pig headed police force.

If she was in rotorua 15 years ago the local cops would have profiled her for their gang banging sessions.

 

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