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Thursday, May 10, 2007

Stupid Flags


Flags are stupid, they seem to cause so much anger and isn't our desire to fight for our flag as stupid as gang members who fight for their colors? Take this whole Maori flag on the Harbour Bridge business, should the bridge authorities fly the Maori flag on Waitangi day? Of course they should have, it is disingenuous in the extreme to all our collective intelligences that in an attempt to justify their decision, they try and invoke some ridiculous claim regarding only soverign nations can fly their flag over the bridge. The problem with their bullshit reasoning is that they themsleves have broken that protocol several times before (flying the scottish flag and the welsh flag), they've done it again by flying the European Union flag, to turn down the Maori flag just looks spiteful.

Flags are really stupid.

Bridge flag angers Maori MP
The European Union flag on the harbour bridge yesterday. Photo / Brett Phibbs
Maori Party MP Hone Harawira says he is appalled that Transit allowed the European Union flag to fly on Auckland Harbour bridge. "I'm referring this to the Race Relations Office," said Mr Harawira. "It's an insult to Maori, and an insult to the intelligence of all New Zealanders. "Transit can't say that we won't fly your [Maori] flag because it doesn't represent a country, and then go and fly another one that doesn't represent a country. "It's hypocritical. Heads must roll." The flag flew yesterday, in recognition of Europe Day. The observance was requested by the European Commission delegation to New Zealand. Generally, Transit considers requests from nations wanting to commemorate their country's national day, but Transit regional manager Peter Spies said yesterday that the criteria also included flags recognised by the New Zealand Government. As the European Union flag had in the past flown from government buildings, the policy was being adhered to. In February, Maori sovereignty group Ata Tino Toa sought permission from Transit to fly the red, black and white tino rangatiratanga flag from the bridge to commemorate Waitangi Day. Their request was denied, and Mr Spies said there had been no change in policy that would allow the tino rangatiratanga flag on the bridge in future.

17 Comments:

At 10/5/07 8:54 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure we should blame the flags, after all they're an inanimate object ... I think we should blame the racists at Transit who want to ignore the Maori sovereignty of this country.

NS

 
At 10/5/07 10:58 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rule No. 1 in case you forgot:

- White is Right.

 
At 10/5/07 1:37 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It might seem stupid if you think the values of the NZ flag and the values of your local gang are equivalent. But I don't. The best NZ values eg. democracy, secularity, freedom of speech / religion, equality of gender / sexuality etc. are most definitely are worth fighting for. The right to sell drugs outside the local school isn't quite up there.

Yes Transit's excuse is disingenuous but so are you by talking about the "Maori flag". The controversy is because it is a Maori sovereignty flag. A lot of Maori do not even support the concept of separate sovereignty. It's not even clear what the flag really means because "Maori sovereignty" means different things depending on who you talk to. With the most extreme interpretations the two flags would seem to be antithetical.

-JP

 
At 10/5/07 3:03 pm, Anonymous chris prudence said...

I have just received my second letter from Tim in jail still,and I do support him as well;but I don't quite believe the good intentions of the likes of Chen and Palmer and co. getting rid of the Sedition laws.Speaking as a person who intends to be the P.M myself one day,as soon as I can beat the second Trespass notice issued by THE STUDENT UNION, of course.Just a hint of self preservation you understand Bomber and nothing against your good friend Tim who sounds well even though they moved him to another prison and my letter took a few weeks to get to him.He told me to keep an eye on you by the way.Only joking mate!

 
At 11/5/07 8:28 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Maori Flag thing is a huge f*&% up. It is not the Maori flag at all but instead is the flag of the Honewera Tribe. He himself said that on Newstalk ZB. It was his family that promoted it. So like all this secular Maori bullshit, of course it should NOT be flown it is after all the flag of a protest movement and not OUR flag.
Cheers
Rangi T James

 
At 13/5/07 2:53 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then fly the 1835 Sovereignty Flag given by King William IV at his acknownledgement of the Declaration Of Independance, Thats the Maori Flag.... always will be, ill wipe my ass crack with that NZ rag and will NEVER bow to it.

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At 14/5/07 8:52 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you asked Transit if they'll let the 1835 Sovereignty Flag fly on the bridge Hated? Maybe if you'd got in first instead of the letting the Harawira mafia screw it up for the rest of you, you might have had a chance.

P.s. do you use a small flag for wiping your arse, because I imagine it would be a bitch of a job flushing a full size flag down the loo.

 
At 15/5/07 1:28 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

your colonial dick smack govt would do everything in there power prevent any Maori flag flying on that bridge anon, you cant try and add your 2 cents worth of crap to prove nothing.... Kingi Taurua already made the request for the 1835 Maori flag to be flown up there and it was rejected... you need to check all of the facts Anon before you make these comments... as the saying goes "been there done that"

as for the loo and NZ snot rag you call a flag.. dont know what that was about, was there a point to the flag flush loo caper?

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At 16/5/07 2:33 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I 6think you need to stop sniffing glue and chill out homeboy, The was no harbour bridge to fly the flag on in 1835, check you own facts fool! (not that that particular fact should require much checking...)

"you cant try and add your 2 cents worth of crap to prove nothing...." Au contraire bro, I just did.

When you Maori stop squabbling with each other and start working together, put all of your petty ancient tribal differences behind you, you might just start achieving something - whatever you decide that you collectively want. I woulnd't hold my breath though Hated, we both know that will NEVER happen.

"as for the loo and NZ snot rag you call a flag.. dont know what that was about, was there a point to the flag flush loo caper?"
I thought it was pretty obvious what I was getting at - you said you wipe your arse on the flag, I assume you put that down the loo, thats what most people do with what ever it is they have wiped their bums with, you do something different though?

 
At 16/5/07 10:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol ok Colonial RUG RAT or are you one of the them white Maori's that want to shape and mold us all into the simple faggot like yourstruly.

Whatever it maybe, you to thought with your ass and didnt get the facts...
Please post up where I said we had the harbor bridge in 1835? I think if there anyone sniffing glue its you anon, as I am sure I didnt say anything of the sort. but for the sake of your 2 cents worth of shit. here you go some info the flag mentioned was given to Maori in 1835 acknowledgement of there Independance, sorry not your criminal fore fathers anon you were considered overstayers...
TAU IWI

Now I will agree with you some what maori have problems aamongst themselves, thats sad... but things are getting better than before... but there are other differences that ain't tribal, its
the history of Pakeha and nz govt ripping off Maoriland...

yes yes ... anon I know it in the past we need to forget it right and move on... how about I come take your stuff Anon ... all your
hard earns and we forget about it because after I leave it will be the past.... But if I did do this wouldn't you want me to make it right with you.. give it back .. pay for it?? then why cant the same be done for us?

now the loo caper and that pathetic flag you kiwis have, given to you by NSW lol yep the Aussies help put that crap together along with the NZ govt of 1852 ( not the same time of the flad) I thought ill add that in case you assume again Anon... But yes I awould wipe my ass with it
and Ill use the big one, I guess I cant flush it down the loo because its to big, Anon... but leave your address and Ill send it to you...

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At 17/5/07 7:09 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hated by mummy.

White man won, black man lost, to the victor the spoils.

Happened all round the world, and it happened here, deal with it.

btw, why don't you use Maori when you blog on here, why use the oppressorss language?

 
At 17/5/07 7:59 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you just called yourself a faggot, what an idiot, I feel embarrassed for you, you really ought to get some one to proof read.

 
At 17/5/07 7:51 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wonders never cease to amaze me anon, truely what dark fucking hole on planet earth do you clowns crawl out from, I assume that there are others like yourself because like most creatures of the dark you must share you crap with other like minded turds.

whats wrong anon, did a street smart uneducated maori with poor gammar & por spelling give you nothing else to come back on . awwww i feel for you that must really hurt your educated EGO.

Its true the truth does hurt, so it should...

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At 18/5/07 7:25 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hated your best mate bomber?
It is the only reason I can come up with for why you allow his racist drivel to be posted.

Have you noticed that all the regular posters have disappeared, leaving you with hated.

People don't like to be abused on a discussion board, so if you want reasoned debate, either censor hated like you censor us, or watch your blog disappear.

I know you wont publish this, but you will read it, so please, either stop the abuse from hated, or allow people to respond to hated, but to censor one and not the other completely negates your position to free speech.

 
At 18/5/07 7:55 am, Blogger bomber said...

...
Yawn - play nicely kids, I'm a little busy running Alt Tv these days to pull people out of the sandpit ok

 
At 18/5/07 11:36 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So street smart that you thought there was a harbor bridge back in 1835. It would take a whole lot more than the incoherent ramblings of a racist who is stuck in the dark ages to wound my massive ego bro.

 
At 18/5/07 7:45 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

awwww Anon did you feel abused? I am sorry Pakeha, what did I say you found so offenive? Sorry if I hurt your feelings what did I say that you found racist and offenive?

Look I dont want to hurt you, but
I have to comment on you last post as it is only twice you have raised this issue with me, so how do you say, "lets nip it in the bud " shall we.... hey goes..Ahem.... Anon are you deaf aswell as thick... Where did I say that there was a harbor bridge in 1835? please run back through the posts and point it out...
But the fact you cant find fault from the words of a uneducated, poor spelling with even poorer gammar... must hurt...

But as for me being being a racist lol thats sweet, how did I get a title such as this? was because I called you a Pakeha? maybe it is cause I said you are a colonial RUG RAT? all true, isn't it?

I love it when Paheka come on and add there 2 cents of crap about Maori's without checking anything... shows just how ignorant your true are...yet most(not all) have this stereo type idea of us all, yet we are not all the same.

... now while we are growing into bigger kids and Bomber is busy working hard and has his back turned, I would like to kick some more sand into big open mouth, so whats next... Anon

But swing things back to the topic, Why is it a big deal to the govt or transitNZ or any other oppossing paheka to raise our flag on the harbor bridge or anywhere else in Aoteroa for that mater Anon.. you call me racist.. I learn well.....


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