It is only Democracy when America says it is
For a country trying to bring ‘FreedomDemocracy (trademark pending)’ at the barral of an M-16 to the Middle East, you would think that America might actually want to respect democracy, but as we have seen countless times though out the 20th Century, it is only a democracy when the party America likes wins. If the people express their view in a way America doesn’t like, it isn’t a democracy.
Beyond the bullshit of ‘Hamas won’t recognize us so we have to bomb them’ lies the fact that because America and Israel dragged their feet with Fatah and left the Palestinian people to rot, they elected Hamas – instead of dealing with that and de-radicalize the Palestinian people through better living conditions, Israel and America have sort to punish the Palestinian people for their democratic decision and ferment a war between Hamas and Fatah.
There is a simple solution to all of this – ISRAEL HAS TO GET OUT OF THE WEST BANK! Real simple.
Life under Hamas a rough ride
A year ago, on a freezing, foggy night in Ramallah, in the occupied West Bank, party officials in the Palestinian election centre could not believe what they were hearing.
Hamas was on top. It was hard to tell who was more amazed - Hamas, or Fatah, the other big Palestinian faction. Hamas people had expected to do well. But their plan was to be the opposition, troublesome as well as loyal. They had not expected to win parliamentary elections to control the Palestinian Authority (PA). Fatah had not expected to lose. It took both of them months to recover from their January surprise. Hamas had not won an election to form a government, as the Palestinians do not have a state. The territory that they hope to make into one is under varying degrees of Israeli military occupation. A legacy of the now defunct peace process of the 1990s is that Israel allows Palestinians to administer some aspects of their lives, like the education system, hospitals and basic policing. Within the limitations of what was possible, Palestinians voted for Hamas because they were sick of years of corruption and mismanagement by Fatah, and because they believed Fatah's approach to Israel was not working.
posted by Bomber @ 1:51 pm
20 comments
20 Comments:
judging by the lack of posts in recent times, i think its fair to say people are sick of such posts constantly bagging the USA. You have possibly exhausted the argument against Bush.
Boooooorrrrrrrrriiiiinnnng...........
Boomer said on 24/01/07 -
"Joseph if I am ever lucky enough to go to America......."
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AB
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judging by the lack of posts in recent times, i think its fair to say people are sick of such posts constantly bagging the USA. You have possibly exhausted the argument against Bush.
Now now Anon, the people who are sick of hearing it are the ones who yelled so proudly in support of invading Iraq, but who now slink away and whisper they never supported it. They hate having it rubbed in their face daily, and write it off as booooooorrrrrrriiiiiing!
AB - you're back, wow – I’m really surprised, I mean after you threatened to turn up at my apartment and sort me out because I didn't want to talk to you after you had used unbelievably gross abusive language revolving around young girls genitalia (remember, it was the post you were pretending you hadn’t made because admitting that you had focused on young girls genitalia as an insult suggested that you weren’t all that balanced).
Sorry AB – what pointless insult were you making this time? At least you didn’t have to bring up young girls genitalia or threatening to turn up to my apartment to make your point. I suppose that is progress.
Israel got out of Gaza and what did that achieve?
Still trotting out your tired lies Boomer?
Put the post up here of me refering to girls genitals.You can't,know why?,cause it never happened.If it did put it up.
I can come and see you if you want.
I was in Ayuckland last week and I came by your place but decided I had better things to do than sort you out, but I will be back on a regular basis for the next few months.
Would you like me to post your address here?
Or your mothers address?
I have never pretended I didn't make any post BUT I did NOT 'refer repeatly to small girls genitals'.
I can understand that you feel threatened by me as I expose your childish simperings and your paranoid,immature, half formed rantings to the cruel daylight they deserve but to accuse someone(even an anon) of what you are accusing me of says far more about you and your morals Boomer than it does about me. In fact it just makes you look more of a fool that you normally do.
Please reply if you want me to come and see you. OK?
xxx
AB
Oh and no more crying about how 'creepy'
it all is for you when you brought it all up OK fatboy?
Now comeon, Bomber and I may not agree on everything, but that doesnt mean id kick the shit out of him if I were to bump into him (shout a drink, perhaps)
When your argument disintergrates into insults, it is a sign of interlectual weakness generally infering that you have, in fact, lost the debate
I agree sdm, but if someone accused you of paedophilic tendencies I am pretty sure you would want to see the evidence.
Bomber, if you are going to make such an accusation you should really present your evidence otherwise you come across as a liar out to make a cheap point.
If AB had used his real name and you accused him of that, you would find yourself in court quick smart.
So, to prove you are not a liar accusing someone of gross accusations, put up the quote.
Anon:
Stop being facetious. You know perfectly well that the quote, ok, if there ever was one (happy now?), was deleted and is irretrievable. So yes, it's now hearsay. However it's hearsay from Bomber, the (current) owner of the blog, so I'm inclined to believe him. He really doesn't have reason to lie about it IMO.
And please don't try and come back with an even more facetious comment about Bomber lying all the time.
Scott:
Quite. I'm guessing you're referring in particular to another frequent poster here who got his deserved comeuppance by an anonymous poster just recently? Anyway, I don't need to name and shame him again.
On another note, if you'll excuse me digressing (ok, even if you won't), I saw Roger Waters perform at Jade Stadium last night. An absolutely brilliant concert.
I grew up with Pink Floyed. I hadn't played any of my collection in some years now, but as it happened there wasn't one chord or one line in any song played (old songs anyway - trying not to give spoilers here) that I didn't know off by heart. Even so, it was enlightening for me to hear some of it again; so many of the lyrics he wrote long ago are even more relevant today than they were when he wrote them.
Can you say
it all makes perfect sense?
Expressed in dollars and cents,
pounds, shillings and pence?
Among other things I was amused to see that images of the Fletcher Memorial home (from The Final Cut, Roger's suggestion for what to do with ex-tyrants) had a few new faces: Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and... George Bush and Dick Cheney.
Did they expect us to treat them with any respect?
They can polish their medals
and sharpen their smiles
and amuse themselves
playing games for a while
Boom Boom, Bang Bang
Lie down you're dead
And for those who really didn't get it, Bush and Blair are mentioned in a brand new (and very good) song. I couldn't reproduce most of it if I tried and I don't want to give it away anyway, but these lines hit home especially well:
Don't let the Christian moralists
Fuck things up for the rest of us
If you're looking for stuff in an anti-war vein I would highly recommend Roger Waters' solo album Amused to Death, especially as nobody who reads this blog is going to be shy of depressing topics.
And for those who listen to it and do get depressed, don't feel bad. People who are prone to depression are on average more intelligent than others so by learning to live with it you give the world's gene pool a much needed boost.
Nobody - Crushingly accurate, and eloquently written lyrics are always Roger's and Pink Floyd's trademark. Too bad David and Roger are such polarizing forces against each other!
Bubbles - as usual you have such a mouthful of interesting opinion to share - you must spend a lot of time researching your material!
AB - Be careful, apparently if Blowfish stay puffed up for too long they explode! Considering how normally full of excretement you are on your rant's you could feasibly cover about 400 square Km's.
I don't doubt Bomber for a second in believing you would post such crap - seeing a lot of your other slime tactics when you can't get your talking point established you usually resort to such crass tasteless methods.
The way the blog software works is
1. The administrator (Bomber) has the opportunity to review every posted comment and check it against the guidelines of whatever level of ethics exist for the site.
2. If it breeches the rules the delete button erases it from the site. It's not saved in some kind of archive - it is deleted to the Rubbish Bin.
3. Generally there is a leave behind mention of comment deleted wihtout reference to who left the comment.
4. The administrator has the option of banning the offender if they choose.
I think Bomber has been pretty kind in your case. I might have sent the comment to the police Paedophile Watch Squad and let them have information on you from your account profile. Especially considering your vile abuses that Bomber has left on the responses you have made to many other people on this site.
Why do you bother to return here time after time - you just spray urine around and stink the place up.
What all this has to do with Palestinian's, Democratic elections, Gaza, and Israeli occupations and torment, I don't think there was one actual post that refers to it.
Far as I'm concerned it is one of the important issues of our time and deserves some comment.
Thanks Bomber, maybe some one will come along and actually have something to say!
Boomer your girls are working overtime to protect you.
Bahahahahahahaha.
Look at the length of their posts to defend you over a comment they have no idea really exsisted or not and they have certainly never seen, cause if they did they would have said so here.
Nobody/Sam - Yes I agree I can be an unpleasant stirring prick sometimes, but I am also a father,husband and good person and to have Boomer insinuating that I am some form of paedophile is way,way,way out of line.
AB
Bubbles, Israel did not get out of Gaza. Israel merely removed its 9000 civilians. A civil disengagement does not mean a military disengagement. It still controls airspace, borders, economy, and the like. That's still an occupation. This, in addition to the continuous settlement growth and the apartheid wall of annexation in the West Bank. Wonder why Palestinians are upset.
As for Bomber's consistent criticism of the US. Damn right it should be consistent, especially when he's up against the media machine that too often legitimise or just ignore the state terrorism committed by the American empire.
Well said Anti!
History does repeat AB, and your trying to soften opinions after the fact is bullshit by any other name, the smell is the same, and your MO preceeds you. Maybe you have a puppy as well? Awww, int-that sweet.
AB
Nobody/Sam - Yes I agree I can be an unpleasant stirring prick sometimes, but I am also a father,husband and good person and to have Boomer insinuating that I am some form of paedophile is way,way,way out of line.
Funny, I thought Bomber was just baiting you the way you constantly bait him. Surely a little turnabout doesn't upset you? But far be it from me to accuse you of being disingenuous.
(and the less said about your unpleasant stirring prick the better)
Oh I most definately am consistent in my criticism. Violence against innocent people regardless of who are they are is deplorable. But I also put things into context, and the violence coming out of the Muslim world is linked to American imperialism and historical support of despotic regimes. Empire has played a significant role in playing one group against another to the point where it has created historical enmities- a part of an over all divide and conquer strategy. So the altruistic West can conveniently interfere and set things staight.
-Anti-Flag.
And the murder of the journalist in Turkey who sought to publicise the murder of Armenians? How is that linked to US imperialism?
So the Sunni/Shia violence in Iraq comes from American Imperialism?
And Hamas and Fatah are at each other's throats because of American Imperialism?
O-o-kay....
Still trotting out your tired lies Boomer?
Put the post up here of me refering to girls genitals.You can't,know why?,cause it never happened.If it did put it up.
I can come and see you if you want.
I was in Ayuckland last week and I came by your place but decided I had better things to do than sort you out, but I will be back on a regular basis for the next few months.
Would you like me to post your address here?
Or your mothers address?
I have never pretended I didn't make any post BUT I did NOT 'refer repeatly to small girls genitals'.
I can understand that you feel threatened by me as I expose your childish simperings and your paranoid,immature, half formed rantings to the cruel daylight they deserve but to accuse someone(even an anon) of what you are accusing me of says far more about you and your morals Boomer than it does about me. In fact it just makes you look more of a fool that you normally do.
Please reply if you want me to come and see you. OK?
xxx
AB
Oh and no more crying about how 'creepy'
it all is for you when you brought it all up OK fatboy?
My God – was this debate still going on? Sorry I took so long to answer, have been busy.
AB – You know very well what you said, you used an offensive reference (not once but twice) towards msth8d/snigie (I cant remember who you were being abusive towards) about their interest in young girls genitalia, you’ve attempted to paint this out as me suggesting you were a pedophile when that wasn’t the case at all – YOU were trying to suggest that about others on this site – the comment was simply so offensive that I immediately deleted it – you can read my response to your post and see how disgusted I was with you.
For you to now try and run this ‘I’m a father, how dare you’ routine shows how immature you really are – how could you attack someone else like that if you are the honourable father figure you try and paint yourself as, I think most people here who watch your style of abuse can see very easily how you would over step the mark and just become offensive. This is your last warming AB- you are the only person who gets their comments removed regularly, and others now ask me to remove you altogether – you add nothing and your offensive comments reflect some inner issues you need to work out in therapy– of course AB I do wonder if you would remain so offensive if you weren’t anonymous, I do wonder if I wrote under each of your posts your real identity and email address whether you would say the things you get away with because you are anonymous? Perhaps a social experiment?
I am not threatened in any way by your ridiculous manner AB, listening to someone who uses young girls genitalia as a form of attack on someone makes you a joke, not a threat, but I love your attempt to twist this into you being the victim, it is an insight AB.
And yes AB – it is ‘creepy’ that you keep referring to coming to my home, that is very creepy and I think most people would agree that you wanting to come to my home is a little, how should we put it folks – pathological?
Chill out AB – its just a blog site discussing peoples ideas of the news, you don’t need to turn up at peoples homes if you disagree with their point of view ok, by the way, are you on any type of medication?
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pasha doorman said...
So the Sunni/Shia violence in Iraq comes from American Imperialism?
And Hamas and Fatah are at each other's throats because of American Imperialism?
O-o-kay....
Oh God, why must I educate the thick? Pasha, could you tell me what Operation Phoenix carried out by the Americans in the Vietnam war was, please look it up and get back to me before posting you dumb questions, should I send an invoice for this education? Oh and also could you just have a quick look at divide and conquer techniques used by the Americans as well, that would help – hey you’re not from kiwiblog are you? People aren’t that smart there either.
Hopefully Fatah and Hamas tear each other apart. It would only be fitting. Those who live by the sword die by the sword...
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