More bullshit in the Liam Ashley case
The violent cretin that brutally strangled and killed 17 year old Liam Ashley has just blurted out a load of arse trying to justify the reason why he strangled and kicked Liam to death in the back of a Police Van. The reality is that this guy probably doesn’t even know why he reacted to the stress of the situation he found himself in by killing Liam, but the ridiculous concoction of excuses he has cooked up only continues as a disservice to Liam’s memory. The point I have made from the beginning is that Liam’s parents must share the blame for his death – why you would willingly put a 17 year old with behaviour issues dependent on medication into prison still leaves me speechless. The parents bought Simon Power’s argument that prison is a hotel and thought it could straighten him out – sadly they found out the environment is a violent, abusive underfunded mess. Having to now listen to Liam’s killer brainfart some idiotic bullshit scenario where he and Liam intended to escape is simply the icing on top of a very shit cake.
Liam Ashley killed in prison van 'because he was a nark'
The man who today pleaded guilty to the prison-van killing of North Shore teen Liam Ashley said he did it because he thought the 17 year old was a "nark" and was going to give evidence against him.
The 25 year old, who has name suppression, admitted murdering Liam at a packed Auckland District Court hearing this morning.
In a summary of facts read to the court today, Crown prosecutor Simon Moore outlined the events that took place during the last day of Liam's life.
Liam and his killer met at Auckland Central Remand Prison early on the morning of August 24, and were handcuffed together to await transportation to their respective North Shore District Court appearances.
The pair got talking, and it soon transpired that the man's offences were allegedly carried out in an area of the North Shore close to where Liam and his family lived.
The man later came to the conclusion that Liam could give evidence against him at court. His fears appeared to be compounded when he learned from other prisoners being transported that Liam had told them he lived somewhere else.
Later in the day, while being transported back Auckland Central Remand Prison, Liam and the man decided to try to escape the van.
The pair tried unsuccessfully to kick their way out, but then decided that Liam would fake some kind of seizure, to attract the attention of the guards.
When Liam later refused to feign illness, the man attacked him.
The ensuing assault culminated in the strangling Liam for 10 to 15 minutes, before releasing him and stomping up to seven times on his head, the court was told.
posted by Bomber @ 1:50 pm
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hmmmm "police van"?? try chubb security...they handle remand/sentenced prisoners to and from prison
And we wonder why our legal system and justice system is in disarray?
-And what is that pathetic hand signal the deceased is giving in this pic? the country is better off without the kid.
And this little shit was also trying to escape from police custody and compound his crimes?
How dare you blame the parents, just because they were/are naive. They have quite clearly tried everything they could to control his behaviour and turned to what they thought was their last resort.
He was obviously a little shit, that doesn't mean his parents should be blamed for his death - that is the responsibility of the murderer and the people who locked them together.
NS
The bloke considered he was acting with immunity as he was already "going down" for another crime.
I hope he rots in prison for the rest of his days, he has no place in society.
To those who want to blame the parents, I hope one day you have a child who is similarly afflicted and maybe then you'll understand the helplessness they felt. Maybe then you'll discover that the norms of societal behaviour don't apply in all cases, some people can't be reasoned with in a usual manner.Their boy was not well and they were clearly at their wits end.
I'm reminded of the little sh*t who battered that elderly woman in a case of 'road rage' recently, his father spoke to the press and was a seemignly well rounded man at his wits end as to why his son continues to act in such a way. Maybe he has behavoural problems like the young man who was murdered in this story, who knows. However I wouldn't wish a son who was so afflicted like either of them on anyone, and the poor parents who wanted to 'shock' him by having him incarcerated for a time will regret that decision for every day for the rest of their lies.
You know, at the end of the day, what the fuck does it matter whether it was a police van or a chubb security van? The driver or person in control fucked up and put a young kid in the same 'cage' as a known violent offender.
Cops? Security guards? Dickheads? Whoever tied those two together need to be reprimanded / castigated / castrated? / ...
NS
"The point I have made from the beginning is that Liam’s parents must share the blame for his death – why you would willingly put a 17 year old with behaviour issues dependent on medication into prison still leaves me speechless. The parents bought Simon Power’s argument that prison is a hotel and thought it could straighten him out –"
You really are a nasty piece of work aren't you bomber.
Ever raised a child?
Ever raised a child with behaivoural problems?
Were you involved with Liam Ashley's family quite intimately to make such a statement?
Do you know the years of anguish that led his parents to that day?
I have an autistic son. I love him to death. But sometimes his behaivour is so uncontrollable that I don't know what to do.
I worry for his future.
I hope he will be treated well by his peers.
I hope I never have to go through what Liam's parents went through, but I can understand how they got there, and I sympathise with them 100%.
To blame them is to demonstrate your ignorance, and contempt for parents with children with behaivoural problems.
I am glad you are not a father bomber because quite frankly I don't think you have a compassionate bone in your body.
Latest on the shirt worn by the killer when he first appeared in court. His T-shirt design featured an eye on the front and the slogan: "Keep your eye on the rising star of crime."
The back of the shirt had the words: "Serial killers normally work alone."
A corrections dept spokesman has agreed now that "Because the accused had nothing suitable to wear to court" he was given the shirt by prison officers.
What kind of half-wits are running the prisons?
BTW as I've commented before on this issue being a parent of a completely out of control young person does provide some perspective...
I agree with the sentiments of "A Parent Said."
who was the intelligent fuckers that left him there? when it was in there power to take him home.
snigie said...
"Yep the parents thinking it was a hotel dont win any prizes."
snigie, I would like you to point me to a link that shows the Ashley family saying that they think prison is like a hotel.
Give me some facts snigie, not just what you "think".
snigie said...
"When they happily put their kid in prision thinking he was safe and being taught a lesson shows they had no idea where he was going."
You think they did that happily!
Quite obvious snigie that you are not a parent either. Just some kid speaking from ignorance.
Once again snigie, do you have any facts, not just thoughts.
BTW snigie, where do you think he was going when he turned 18?
NZ is much better off without Liam Ashley.
Snigie - How do you tell someones skin color and financial status by their internet comment?
I'm truely interested as I think there would be a good market for your skills in racially directed advertising.
Any point you had to make in regard to Liam was blowen out of the water by your racist statements.
snigie,
If you knew anything about developmental disorders you would understand the dearth of help in this country.
No one is saying the parents wanted to put their son in prison.
He was going to prison regardless when he was 18, they wanted to give him a shock as a last resort, so he wouldn't want to go to prison.
They didn't know what else to do.
They didn't want him to die in prison.
They believed the corrections department would keep him alive, and seperated from people like yourself snigie.
They were let down.
If this country had more support for parents with developmental disorders perhaps the family would not have been put in this situation in the first place.
If you think the parents found pleasure in the position they were found in, then you are one big fucken fool.
Tell you what snigie, are you willing to pay more in tax to help the Liam's of the world?
Oh no wait, your answer to the problem is this;
"At the end of the day Liam was a little bastard. He needed a good knock to the head, told to get his shit together and get into line."
So, somebody like you decided to put that into practice, and killed him.
You have an opinion snigie, but in this situation, it is worth shit.
snigie said;
"Liam is nothing. Hes just some white wanna be gangsta with no nuts, the type that florish on the north shore. They flourish because there are no real criminals out there, sure theres the small areas around beachhaven with a few of those 'dark' people but nothing like down here in south auckland. They shoulda moved down here to puke, he would have lasted in all honesty about a day before his criminal activities came to an end. Wow! He carried a knife! Thats standard gear down here for almost evryone in the darkside. Here, everyone from 5 years up carries a whip. Which their very very good with."
That is because Liam was a kid with develpomental disorders, not a wannabe gangster like yourself snigie.
You just don't get it do you.
The parent s were retards. He was never 'going' to jail, just headed down that path. They put him there when they had a choice, now hes dead. Go the soft spineless parents!
Busdriver!
This guy deserved jail for breaking curfew, stealing from his parents house and driving without a license? Are you part of the sensible sentencing trust or something?
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I still find it interesting that some people on this site seem to be under the delusion that sending a 17 year old with ADD into a prison was a wise thing to do. They are living under the grand delusion that our prison system is too soft after Simon Power whips up anti-prisoner rhetoric so that a frightened and furious public demand in the screaming voice of the lynch mob that they want vengence. Putting your child into prison is like giving the Kahui family your twins for babysitting. Liam Ashleys parents made a bad, bad decision. And it is only by pointing that out and challenge the public misperception of the prison system as soft that we will get real solutions within the prison culture. But no one likes having their media feed stereotype and personal self-rightous hobby horses exposed for the fear baiting populisim that it actually is. And let's be clear, some of these criminals have committed crimes that make us feel sick - but the need to have options open that allow redemption is critical. Look at the way the media in the weekend shat all over that teacher who had committed a crime 10 years ago, or the story of one prisoner getting a degree - if we as a society never forgive, how much more difficult do we make that pathh to redemption? I'm not angry at the people who voice these fears with venom, it just shows how far we have to go to overcome that fear
Bomber spins this tragedy into his one of his favourite hobby horses, the penal system.
Read "A parent" post for the truth of the matter.
Prison must be full of people with developmental disabilities; ADHD, Aspergers, Autism...etc
The problem is the lack of awareness by parents of these disorders in their children, and the dearth of adequate care for these children (and parents) once there has been a diagnosis.
Imagine how many children with developmental disorders are beaten each year for being "naughty"?
Imagine how many of these children are killed?
The real issue here is why these disorders, which will affect a lot more children each year than cancer, are not given more recognition and funding.
If we could do more for these children and their parents at an earlier stage we wouldn't have to read about their deaths.
wow bomber they didn't attack you with the normal snarling venom - you must be starting to chip away at their blinkers!
Keep it up bro
To spell it out one more time.
When Liam turned 18 he was destined for prison.
The parents actions were a last resort after years and years and years and years of torment.
It wasn't their first option.
It was the final, drastic action of parents at their wits end who saw no other way of showing their son that in a couple of months his actions would have serious consequences.
They did not send him to prison to die.
The vast majority of people in prison do not die in prison.
Liam has a develpomental disorder, not a mental illness, so no he would not be sent to a psychiatric hospital.
Once you turn 18, you are an adult, and only people with severe disabilities are catered for by society. The rest are on their own.
You see those older men putting trolleys away at supermarkets? They look slightly odd?
Most likely men with autism functioning as well as they can in society.
Of course Msth8d blames the parents.
Msth8d has a "blame the victim" mentality which finds currency on these threads.
Snigie, your answer was to bash him. He got the bash and is now dead, so I guess your way wasn't so successful either.
I am amazed you "men" have such contempt for the parents.
It is blatantly honest that you "men" have never been in a similar situation before.
123 shows whats really lacking in this country, not government help but a sad sad lack of parenting skills.
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hey sniggie and sission - you raise really good points that make people really angry - great work
Well just to put you all straight, this is Liams sister, and upon finding this forum i must say I am completley disgusted with 90 percent of these comments and how peoples minds are set about how and why my litle brothers death occured. For starters it was not my parents decision for my brother to go to jail. As a matter of fact he was already in jail on remand (through no doing of my parents, it was my brother actions that got him where he was) when he had the court appearence in which he was brutally murdered when being transported back. It was no choice of my family to send him to prison!! I was the judges!! He was sentenced to 10 days while a pre sentence report had to be done to organise his super vision order and bail address as he was to be coming back to wellington to live with me. Yes my brother had adhd which that too was to be in the pre sentence report also, and as a condition he had to go back on medication. DONT BELEIVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR IN THE MEDIA!!! Some of you people should be ashamed of yourselves about how you have spoken of my brother and my parents. I would like to see your reaction if this ever happened to someone so close to you.. Could you handle loosing a child?? Especially in these circumstances. It was not up to my parents, it was the judges decision!! Hence the apology we got from her shortly after my brothers death. There is so much more I could say but I refuse to stoop to your level(most of you) and swear and carry on like you know all about the situation and circumstances about my brother and family. YOU KNOW NOTHING!! EXCEPT WHAT YOU SEE HAVE SEEN ON TV!! And one more thing to the person who commentented about having a second opinion about switching off my brothers life support and doing it after an hour.. How could you be so cruel!! I could write for hours and hours about what we went through that night. Just for the record my brother was admitted to critical care just after 6pm. My parents were not notified until 10.30 pm!!! What does that tell you?? Anyway I owe none of you an explanation surrounding my brothers murder, obviously you all have your own opinions which you are entitled to.. but I must say are totally wrong!!so I will stop right here and let you all get on with your petty self opinionated thoughts and comments.
R.I.P my baby brother
We Love you and miss you
ALWAYS AND FOREVER
xxxxx
At 9/11/09 4:32 PM, Anonymous said "DONT BELEIVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR IN THE MEDIA!!!"
Don't blame us. The media sources are ones we listen to. Go write to the New Zealand media and ask them to make corrections. Then we will believe you when they say "Oops, we made a mistake, A is really true, not B"
If you think the media is making a mistake, go bother the media. If you can prove that your version is true, embarrass them until they do what you want.
good on you bailey. came across this uninformed crap written about your family while i was thinking about liam which i often do.i was with your father daily in the period of liam court apperances and i can tell everyone that what liams sister writes is totally true.liam was loved and totally supported and i was with him after lims death when he was told no matter whatanyone said the court would not have bailled him the day he died.his father was beside himself with worrywhile liam was in custody.liam came from one of the closest most loyal families i have ever had the pleasure of knowing and all you uninformed wankers should think twice before making such hurtful comments about facts you are only obtaining from media crap.although events have made us drift apart i still think about your wonderful family.stay strong be proud and dont let peoples comments get to you as you can be proud of what family you come from and your families actions both before and after liams passing. greg
Oh hello family - perhaps you could explain to the rest of us exactly what 'hope' you ever thought your son/brother was EVER going to get inside prison? Seriously, how deluded were you to think he would be 'safe' inside our corrupt, underfunded and brutal prison service? If my child had done wrong I would move heaven and earth not to have them go to prison, could you explain why you thought your weak frightened family member could survive prison?
"perhaps you could explain to the rest of us exactly what 'hope' you ever thought your son/brother was EVER going to get inside prison?"
?: They probably had a middle class naivety about prison and did not do much research into the prison system. If they **knew** that the boy would be put in with all of those nasty people, they would not have done that. It seems like they did not know what prison is really like.
RIP Liam Ashley
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