Ronald loves ‘em young
From the ‘I don’t find that surprising at all’ files comes this claim about Ronald’s love affair with children.
McDonald's denies dumping workers who turn 18
McDonald's is dumping fast food workers as soon as they turn 18 so they can employ younger teenagers and pay them less, one of the company's employees told a parliamentary committee yesterday.
But the company responded it had no such policy and said it wanted to keep on older teenagers as they become more skilled and productive.
Nineteen-year-old Joshua Briggs appeared before the transport and industrial relations select committee, which is considering a bill to abolish the youth minimum wage and replace it with the standard minimum wage.
Mr Briggs, appearing for the New Zealand Association for Adolescent Health and Development, said McDonald's aimed to recruit younger workers and shed older ones.
"There have been cases at our work where people have not given a letter of resignation in themselves but been pushed aside and said '[we] think you should leave now'."
There were problems in fighting such issues, he said.
"Lots of youths don't belong to unions as well because it's too expensive and they can't afford it."
The association's national executive officer, Sarah Helm, told the committee there were issues in fighting such job losses.
"The problem is a lot of 18-year-olds don't have access to lawyers and media attention and all those sort of things."
She said employers "casualised" the workforce as a method of getting lower paid workers on shifts.
posted by Bomber @ 11:40 am
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27 Comments:
Hey, if they're all worth so much more, go get work somewhere else that pays what they think they are worth...
well i myself am 17 and i work at KFC as some may know. i belong to the Unite union who charge you weekly 30c, then after 3 monthes that money is given back to you 100%. Teens can afford to belong to a union.
I KNOW from experience that it would be stupid for McDonalds to fire people who turn 18 and keep them young, younger staff are FAR more unreliable (i myself at times was lol) and their hours are everywhere.
We're entitled to more pay gwb because of the work load that we have. If i remember correctly, fast food joints were not originally run by teens were they?
Do you know what kind of dangers and safety issues i myself (im a cook at KFC) have to face every night? Cookers with temperatures that are on average 175C, industrail Ovens with temperatures of 160-200C, heavy lifting, working after school until 12/1am, closing on a staff of 3 for a job that should have 5 people. Poisons in the industrial cleaning products used to clean these HEAVY equipment...
So go get a job somewhere else if pay and conditions aren't to your liking...its a free society after all...
You work for a multi-national company Luke?
Not very ethical is it?
Young kids need to get jobs these days to help pay for their university fees which, once upon a time, were free in this country.
Give them a break huh?
NS
Jeez. The fact is that if you are young, or poorly schooled, or a new immigrant, or unskilled and limited in the times you can work because of children or the like- 'leaving and getting another job' is not really an option. You are at the mercy of crap employers who have perfected the art of atomising and casualising their workforces (they do it even more effectively in the free-markets of Ho Chi Minh city and Beijing and Cairo.)
The supreme irony is that the same people who believe that our job market is over-regulated and that the unions have got too much power have achieved their level of well-healed smugness because of a hundred year's plus of agitation and regulation by the kind of people they now rail against
So John - Labour's been in power for 7(almost 8) years and we still have 'young'(well can't do much bout that), poorly schooled(Hmmmm Ncea anyone?),new immigrant(Yup Masters in Engineering doesn't get you much under a Labour Govt aye?),unskilled(I couldn't be fucked trying so now I'm ...),limited in the times you can work because of children(You might add to this category - combined with at least two of the above)
and your point was ???
More worthless pap?
What has this Goverment done for all those poor,suffering innocent people.I mean it sounds worse than it was under a rightwing Goverment .
What has 'a hundred year's plus of agitation and regulation' really done if things are still like you say they are ??
I think it's important to point out that while the employment conditions of McDonalds workers are standardised, because McDonalds is a franchise operation, hiring and firing is in the hands of the owner, not head office.
There may be one or two bad eggs dumping their older workers so they can pay youth rates, but a) that's not McDonalds' fault, and b) it's not particularly good business practice on the part of the franchise owner anyway.
Man i wouldnt want to work at mcdonlads for my whole fuckin life anyway. Still, this is further proof that youth rates=youth exploitation. exact same job,same work... wheres the justification for paying someone less just cuz they happen to be 16-17?
gwb -im 17, where else can i go? fast food places are only place. anywhere else is 18+; video store, music stores...
please tell me where i can get a good paying job
anon - you use a computer that is run by miscrosoft, the biggest corporation in the world. not very ethical are you?
peter -like i said, where else do you go at 17? your not an "adult" according to law/public until your 18 right.
NS -yes we NEED the money at a younger age now, everythings just too expensive and student fees are insane. cant live off mummy and daddy anymore people.
and yes rangi!
So Luke, its just about money.
That is most peoples argument about why they do what they do, for the money.
Good to see you have come round to that way of thinking.
ps. I have no problems with corporations bub.
Thats you, remember.
Now go sell junk food to overweight working class stiffs that don't really need it, whilst trying to maintain your high moral ground.
anon you always put a good word in.
it comes down to this really doesn't it: fast food jobs are available and easyto anybody 16+ to get correct?
the labour is more than what should be and lets face it, I do serve the fat public.
But its their decision to eat this not mine. that does not mean that they havn't been heavily infulenced by the marketing of the brand i work for. I have no choice but to work at this job because its the best i can get, the fight to get better pay is my part in making the company i work for have more ethics. Its a small part of the acceptance they are going to have to learn
"I have no choice but to work at this job..."
Baldface lie.
"...the fight to get better pay is my part in making the company i work for have more ethics..."
I applaud your efforts.
So you do understand that you are more effective being on the inside attempting change, as opposed to railing against the system on the outside.
My kids had to work when they were still at high school, partly because money was tight so if they wanted shoes they had to work, but also because of the lessons that can only be learnt by working.
In those days supermarkets paid kids on the checkouts about $3 and hour and treated then like dirt.
However it was a great lesson - work harder at school get an education or trade or that is what you do for the rest of your life - it worked, after a lot of struggle they now have good careers.
Work is about more than money - it is about education, learning to live in the real world, responsibilities, learning the value of money, work ethics, self discipline and loads more. Schools really don’t teach much and parents don’t know anything of course.
My anecdotal observation is people who seem to prosper later in life are usually those who had to work while at school regardless of other factors.
My kids had contemporaries who were richer and poorer some worked, some didn’t, but the ones who worked learnt lessons those who didn’t never got. I gave up trying to employ people, got sick of 30 years olds who had never had a job and when you gave them a try couldn’t turn up on time 2 days in a row.
Many thought they could/should go straight from a benefit to $150,000 a year, the idea of some ‘hard yards’ is totally alien to them. They think start time is about 10.30am and the first break is at 11am, then they didn’t like working on Fridays and Monday because they wanted a long weekend with the kids.
Occasionally you would come across a young one (around 16/17) with some self motivation and drive and without exception they go a job, of course they started at the bottom but I often used to think they would get on because they had the right attitude.
Once they get to 25, produced nothing but kids, get their needs met by WINZ and a bit of cash one the side its to late. By then they are totally in the world owes me a living, I’m entitled, fantasyland. These are the type who ‘know their rights’ but never think about their responsibilities.
People want what (they think) other people have without doing what they did to get it, everyone I know who has got on a bit has, with out exception, had to work extra hard, overcome setbacks and make many sacrifices.
I never thought I would ever find myself thinking a year in the army would be a good thing ……
If Bomber left his safe office and famous friends for a while and went to the coal face, I don’t mean a royal family type visit, I mean actually go and live and work with those he writes about and pretends to support, he might has a bit more idea, he is so smart he might even come up with strategies that work and achieve something tangible.
anon 1:
Baldface lie.
uh nope. that's all i got access to and that pays most. got any other vacancies PLEASE gimme details.
I applaud your efforts.
So you do understand that you are more effective being on the inside attempting change, as opposed to railing against the system on the outside.
yes in some cases thats correct
Luke,
So you are telling me that it is compulsory for 17 year olds to work at KFC?
How did KFC get that legislation passed?
No i said that's all i got access to
I am not the voice of all 17 year olds
No Luke, you choose to work at KFC because it pays the most money.
Good business sense, but not very ethical of you.
Ethical? I can't find anywhere else but fastfood chains. And as ive said:
"the fight to get better pay is my part in making the company i work for have more ethics"
"Ethical? I can't find anywhere else but fastfood chain."
So there are no jobs in South Auckland apart from fast-food chains?
You could work for Pak'n'Save.
Corporation sure, but New Zealand owned.
"the fight to get better pay is my part in making the company i work for have more ethics"
But you just said that they pay the most.
Seeing that you are after corporate reform, wouldn't it make more sense to work for the worst paying company, and make them change their fiscal ways?
Ethically speaking that is.
There are none that i can find no, Pak N Save pay about $6hr. They also don't give you many hours and i know this because i have friends who work and have worked for them. One was sacked due to there been too many people under 18 and they wanted to cut the numbers because of some people that stole from Pak N save.
They pay the most now because of Unite's fight to raise the pay and be rid of "youth rates" (which Pak N Save still use)
Seeing that you are after corporate reform, wouldn't it make more sense to work for the worst paying company, and make them change their fiscal ways?
Ethically speaking that is.
No you be apart of a bigger company, help change their ethics to allow other companys to follow suit, therefore not having a lower paying job.
Luke,
Fair enough.
Youth rates have always been discriminatory in my opinion.
Keep fighting Luke, and hopefully the generation that follows you will have some sort of parity.
I hope so too anon
Well argued luke
...you too anon, good to see the deep expalnations of my bad argument skills.
Keep on topic
Anyone here ever employed kids - I have, never again.
There are hopeless, it they turn up at all, I would want them to pay me..... a lot.
They are the self-esteem generation so even the ones who never went to school, never worked think they are 'entitled' to $100k, that why at 30 they are still on the dole, working for less than that is beneath them.
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