OUCH!

Labour to pay back election spending
Labour has announced it will refund the money it owes from improper election spending.
The climbdown came just minutes after the release of a report by Auditor-General Kevin Brady which ruled that $1.17 million of taxpayer money had been spent unlawfully at the 2005 election - $768,000 of it by Labour.
Parliament's Speaker Margaret Wilson, reacting to the report, has said parties should think about paying back the money if the public was to have confidence in Parliament.
Prime Minister Helen Clark said this afternoon Labour believed strongly that it spent the money within the rules as they were understood at the time.
But she said: "Refunding the money is one step in a series of responses which need to be taken to ensure public confidence in the political process."
Before this afternoon's report was announced, Labour has repeatedly said it would not pay the money back.
Ms Wilson gave all parties one week to decide if they are willing to pay the money back. The Speaker also recommended passing a so-called validating law to allow the spending at the 2005 election on the grounds the rules were unclear.
His report found $1.17 million of taxpayer-funded parliamentary funding was misspent overall, across seven of the eight parliamentary parties.
* Labour spent $768,000 wrongly
* New Zealand First $150,400
* The Greens $80,900
* United Future $63,800
* Act $17,800
* National $11,300
* Maori Party $48
National and the Maori Party have already paid back $10,500 and $53, respectively.
In a statement Ms Wilson said she did not accept the Auditor-General's legal analysis. She also said that parties were not required to reimburse the money.
But she did state: "In this instance the matter must be considered seriously if public confidence in Parliament is to be maintained."
The Speaker, who received the report from the Auditor-General late last week and released it to Parliament today, said parties needed to study the findings urgently and report back to Parliament.
"I therefore require the parliamentary parties to consider the two reports and report back to me on whether they intend to reimburse the unlawful expenditure in time for me to report back to Parliament next Thursday," she said.
'Genuine misunderstanding'
The Speaker said there appeared to have been "a genuine misunderstanding" of the interpretation of the rules which the Auditor-General expected to be applied by the parties and the Parliamentary Service, who are Parliament's bureaucrats and pay out on spending invoices.
The report by the Auditor-General and its subsequent report by the Speaker was immediately seized on by the Opposition in Parliament.
When National leader Don Brash rose to question Deputy Prime Minister Michael Cullen, the Speaker had to step in to quell the shouting across the House.
Mr Cullen said the Prime Minister and Labour had yet to study the report which had only just been tabled in Parliament. He said: "The Government will take whatever steps are appropriate when we have had the opportunity to properly consider the report."
Ms Wilson said in her statement that both a report by the Auditor-General and her own report found that there were big misunderstandings over what money could be spent under the heading "parliamentary purposes", including whether election advertising was permissible.
"The present position is so uncertain that it may be unworkable on a practical day to day basis," she said.
"Because of the uncertainty I am recommending that consideration should be given by Parliament to legislation to clarify the meaning of parliamentary purposes in the interim.
"MPs and the public need certainty that the resources used to fulfil responsibilities to the electorate are lawful. This can only be achieved by closer statutory direction."
The Speaker said that there were conflicting legal opinions on whether the election spending was unlawful or not.
She recommended that Parliament passes validating legislation, under the Public Finance Act 1989, to remedy the breaches.
"Although the unlawfulness in this instance is surrounded by much political controversy, it does not alter the fact that legislation is required to validate the unlawfulness," Ms Wilson said.








13 Comments:
Boomer - any thoughts on the Greens rorting the taxpayer for 80k?
AB
It's been a while since I looked at this site. How long have you been just cutting and pasting the Herald?
This is gold
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=73761184
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Anon - about the same time I started cut and pasting the BBC stuff, people seem to like it more than the Herald stuff though.
The trade me link is very funny!
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AB - I think the issue is over, all parties misinterpreted the rules, they all have to pay the money back. Now it’s time to really look at funding, in particular secret political party donations, an area where we need to clamp down hard on.
I think the issue is far from over Boomer.
The whole funding thing is a red herring by the left, who just happened to be the worst offenders(along with their lapdogs). The case will,and is, being argued that the election result was affected by this increased spending in the last few weeks leading up to the election(Labour beat National by 46000 votes). Its not to much of a stretch to say that the last election wasn't in fact fair.
IMO - If any of the governing parties had any integrity at all they would be resigning and calling a new election. This does not look like it will happen(surprise surprise)so expect to see - no confidence vote in parliment(unlikely to succeed), The GG petitioned to dissolve parliment and order new elections(possible with enough public support)or we wait till 2008 and the left get a complete caning at the booths - NZ1 and UF disappear altogether and National probaly get in with a 1 or 2 seat majority.
I know you and a lot of others on the left feel it is time to 'move on' but that ain't gonna happen. If a private person stole 800k or 150k or 87k or 60k or 10k and got caught they cant just say "oh wait a minute I'll pay it back and we'll just move on shall we?" They would be prosecuted for it. There is no reason the people involved in these thefts shouldn't be treated like any other citizen of this country. Is there?
Unless you condone theft then there is no other position that all parties who broke the law(and they've all admitted to that by offering to pay it back)should be prosecuted for those thefts. Do you condone theft Boomer?
AB
Labour will not pay the money back and neither will NZF or united.
The gg should dissolve and call for an election without delay.
And now back to the real world, we will piss and moan or deflect and obfuscate depending whether we are red or blue for the next two years. Then helen and gang will come up with another showstopping bribe and win another term. Meanwhile we will slip further and further behind australia.
calls for us to move on are ridiculous either displaying naivety or craven partisanship. The simple fact is if winston had managed to prove that testicle bob have overspent we would have had a byelection in tauranga. Now we know there has been systemic and organised looting we should see an election without delay.
The fact is Bob would have been barred from standing if winstons lies had turned out to bear even a passing relationship with the truth.
We have the government we deserve because this country has been turning fucktards out of the school system for many years and they all vote red.
russell said -
"calls for us to move on are ridiculous either displaying naivety or craven partisanship."
Or in Boomers case russell - both
AB
Ugh.
People who call for there to be a re-election are inherently flawed in so many ways.
How can you have a fair re-election with all this having just occured? Not to mention a shitload of other stuff to discredit one side in favour of another. Parliamentary parties are geared towards making themselves look good every three years, especially the ruling party, so it's a distinct disadvantage to them if a re-election is called halfway through a term.
I think you'll find the only people who are calling for a re-election are national party voters and the right. 1) because it benefits them in extreme ways and 2) because they have little idea about how the country actually functions and all they care about is a couple of extra dollars that the ird didn't "take". Ok that last bit is tongue in cheek. I think.
All of this is based on the idea that the spending was illegal and harmful. Which is not a given. If you can read, you'll know what the sensible people who have a clue in this country have been saying for months - the rules are so unclear nobody knew what was what. You can't be held accountable to the law if the law isn't even coherent. That's a big difference from being ignorant of the law.
I'd also disagree entirely that the spending swung the election, i think that's based on wishful thinking by the right and national to cry about how hard done by they were, to externalise blame for yet another election failure.
And to the moron who said that the governor general should dissolve parliament, go to school and pay attention, the governer general can't do that unless he or she is told to by cabinet - in particular the PM.
Oh and that's a quality argument there from russel aka the fucktard in my previous post.
Never seen so many fallacies in one post in my life. If you believe a single word of that tripe, you are in fact, severely mentally challenged.
Gee Sam before you start ripping other peoples posts to shit you should maybe do some homework cause you haven't got a fucken clue re GG.
"so it's a distinct disadvantage to them if a re-election is called halfway through a term."
Well they shouldn't have stolen the money then should they?
"you'll know what the sensible people who have a clue in this country have been saying for months - the rules are so unclear nobody knew what was what."
Funny how those 'sensible' people happen to belong to or are suppoters of the parties that stole the most money.
You are still on last weeks propaganda Sam - The money was not taken illegally.
This is a whole new week. The AG FOUND the money has been taken illegally and should be paid back. Why do you think 6 out of the 7 parties that have stolen the money have said they would pay it back you fucken idiot?
The left collectively have been snapped in illegal and corrupt practices and if idiots like you think that most of NZ is just going to lie down and take this you are as sorely out of touch as your political leaders seem to be.
Grow up.
AB
ps - do some more research on the GG situation and then come back and apoligise you gimp.
You clearly didn't read a word of Bombers post.
You're working on the assumption that the overspending was illegal when it wasn't, due to poor legislation and unclear limitations. The parties are paying it back not because they're legally obliged to, but because the speaker feels that it would be necessary to do so to restore public confidence in the system.
So the previous point stands, a re-election would be inherently biased for no good reason. Unless your reason is biased support of parties such as the national party. *ahem*.
You're telling me to do some research...jesus. Ok, here it is, nice and easy for the slow kid up the back (AB). There are these things called Constitutional Conventions. They are typically unwritten laws that form part of our constitution as a whole (along with certain certain acts, such as the electoral act, the constitution act etc, as well as standing orders and cabinet rules). These conventions say that the govenor general can ONLY act on advice from relevant ministers. Notice that when a bill passes through parliament, it is always ascented? No? Maybe you should pay closer attention. The governer general can only dissolve parliament - an extremely serious action - if the ministers ask/tell/recommend him or her to. If this wasn't the case, there would be a severe undermining of the political system in this country - we don't elect our governor generals.
Grin - welcome to my world Sam - thank you for the post, very well put.
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