Iran and Syria could stop Iraqi violence?
Oh Bush must be spinning in his chair, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani has just come out and said that if Syria and Iran were directly involved, violence could be stopped within months. What a bombshell, the next two targets on Neocon hit lists may be needed to try and stop the hemorrhage of life that Iraq has become must be a bitter medicine the Bush administration is being told to swallow.
But swallow it they must β the West is losing Iraq, it is losing Afghanistan and nothing short of conscription is going to βwinβ these wars - so the Bush administration must begin talks with their opponents to discuss a way out and this entire foolish adventure will be shown for what it always was β a despicable waste of life masquerading as Freedom and Democracy.
Talabani backs 'Iran-Syria plan'
Violence in Iraq could end "within months" if Iran and Syria joined efforts to stabilise the country, says Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.
He told the BBC the move would "be the beginning of the end of terrorism". The suggestion is said to come from a panel of US experts who are reportedly considering calling for a big change in US policy on Iraq. The panel, led by a former US secretary of state, is also said to think that "staying the course" is untenable.
However, Mr Talabani said was not worried by reports that James Baker's panel may recommend an early - or phased - withdrawal of coalition troops from Iraq. "I'm sure that no-one will decide to pull out quickly in Iraq," he told the BBC's Jim Muir.
posted by Bomber @ 9:22 am
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15 Comments:
Well given that Iran and Syria are fuelling the 'insurgency' with logistics and monetary support, his comments have undoubted validity.
You sound like you'd be happy to see a Taliban/AQ victory in Afghanistan...why, an have you considered the wider implications of such a 'victory'? Prior to 9/11 I remember all the liberals bemoaning the 'rights' of women etc etc' in that country and 'why doesn't someone do something about it' Post 9/11 it was all 'The US is an imperialist warmonger'
Sure - they would bring the Shiites under control - but then again people seem reluctant to believe my thesis that there is a pan-Shiite alliance, backed by Iran and Syria, who are on a high following Hezbollah's success, are looking to consolodate their position as the dominate player in the region.
Any moves to curb the violence in Iraq by Iran/Syria would be on terms that are conducive to them.
SDM is on the money. Talk to anyone who has worked over there recently and they will tell you exactly the same.
Cool :)
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/US-airstrike-kills-Taliban-fighter-NATO/2006/10/18/1160850961553.html
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Hmmm and it would have nothing to do with the dawning realisation that the whole thing was a mistake - and that being there is only making things worse? Guys, they are finally starting to admit what a lot of people have been argueing for a long time - get out, you are only making it worse. Go ask my mate Sir Richard Dannatt, you gun-nuts like military types don't you?
No doubt you'd also think the people of South Korea would be better off if the North had been allowed to overrun everything south of the 38th parallel?
People like you undermined the Vietnam war effort and campaigned against a negotiated peace between the Vietcong and the Republic of Vietnam...maybe you'd care to explain how well everything turned out to the millions of boat people and other refugees who lost everything as a result of the communist victory, or the people summarily executed...
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semper, yes it was people like me that protested against vietnam - but let's ask the millions of Vietnamese who Amerika killed, or those living with the on going birth defects in Vietnam or the Cambodians who were butchered in the killing fields because their government had collapsed from illegal American bombing which led to the rise of the Khmer R?
What vietnam and Iraq have in common semper is that they were both stupid wars started with a lie - and the only 'victory' is a stalemate.
Back to the comment, I believe it was Robert Fisk who is someone I trust more than anyone else on the middle east who said Syria and Jordon hold the key to the Middle East in terms of stopping immediate violence. He was talking about Hizbolla at the time but what he basicly was saying that it is they who allow arms to reach the different militas for their own agendas.
Now in saying that im not saying it isnt america who didnt cause the whole mess, as does Fisk (as well as Britain and France b4 the good old US of A) but if their is going to be a chance of anything other than a total civil war in iraq ending eventually in Iran if we are lucky or Afganistan if we aint (under the Taliban) then it is these countries, as well as Iran that will need to be involved, as well as a complete withdrawel of 'American and its allies' forces.
However immediate withdrawel by the US with out doing anything in the lines of trying to get something established to possibly minmise the effect on the iraqi people is just as wrong as staying in Iraq
Bomber, the problem for the US is the fact that if they did leave then the major player, Iran, would increase its regional dominance, something that doesnt suit the strategic goals of the US
If they stay, they get hammered.
Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
The James Baker solution may present a window of opportunity to get out - and I think they wanna get out, I mean Bush is getting slaughtered in the polls, but the question is how do they get out
Scott
Iran and Syria are not the answer...they probably can stop the insurgency, considering they are behind a large part of it, but if Iran gain more power in Iraq they will be in position to create another state governed along Islamic principles...not good, or even worse, Iraq becomes part of Iran.
Jeff and Scott are right too, the U S and A (he he) are in a lose-lose situation whether they pull out or not.
The BBC has obtained evidence that Israelis have been giving military training to Kurds in northern Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5364982.stm
Whoah. Bush forced into calling on Syria and Iran cap in hand!
Now how many dollars Mr Ahmadi Suh? How many guns and how big do you want 'em? Sorry about that stuff I was sayin'. Just politics you understand, Suh. Think you can sort it for me Suh? Much obliged Suh. Nice turban Mr Bashar Suh. Where can I get one like that? What was it you boys want Israel to do? No problem.
What a shame the militia chief's analysis doesn't extend to who is responsible for fueling Kurdish expansion in Kirkuk. I wonder, is it Iran or is it Syria? Does Bomber know?
Israeli firms are carrying out military training and commercial activities in Kurdish areas of north Iraq, according to reports in an Israeli newspaper. Yedioth Ahronoth reported yesterday that dozens of former members of Israel's elite and covert forces were training Kurdish fighters......
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1655993,00.html
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