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Wednesday, August 30, 2006

Stun Gun Justice


Here is my problem with the Taser. We were all told that Police needed pepper-spray because it was better to pepper-spray someone than shoot them. That sounded reasonable, much better the trigger happy cops pepper-spray someone rather than blow a couple of holes in them. BUT THEN came evidence that the cops used pepper-spray when people were handcuffed, that effectively is torture, the person has been arrested, but to then cause someone in custody pain is something Banana Republic's do. And let’s not forget how cops also use dogs to rip people up well after they have surrendered. We now have the Taser, a weapon already responsible for 200 deaths in America, my fear is that the cops we have in this country have already proven themselves liars when it comes topepper-spraying people without justification, and we will see that with the Taser. Would it be acceptable to any of you that cops Taser someone in handcuffs?

Cut backs in Police budgets means it only takes 19 weeks to train people to be cops. 19 weeks is a joke, it creates cops who don’t have the articulated skills to diffuse situations, and so they will reach immediately in an alpha-male kinda way for their Taser. Why would we give cops another weapon to use when we don’t have an independent police complaints authority – how can we as civilians hold the cops to account when we don’t even have a place to go and complain if they over step their authority.

We can’t rely on the media to discuss this as they won’t be the ones who get Tasered, and seeing as we live in an extremely conservative society right now where Bigots like Bob Clarkson are defended by the masses and parents pop their kid into the local prison kindergarten and then show shock that he is murdered, we are left to argue these issues on the fringes.

72 Comments:

At 30/8/06 8:44 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a violent person armed with a knife and fryed up on P corners a lone cop, what is your suggestion of how to deal with such an event Bomber?

 
At 30/8/06 9:30 am, Anonymous Tim said...

Possibly a family group conference focussing on past marginalisation under colonialism and or capitalism?

 
At 30/8/06 9:31 am, Anonymous Kevin Mc said...

Situations like that I'd rather they just shot the person, seriously, when was the last time you ever heard of anyone like that reforming?

 
At 30/8/06 10:05 am, Anonymous jon said...

Hmmm. Dunno am in 2 minds about tasers. Good for cops dealing with violent pricks, but significant potential for abuse. Think I'd rather have the cops given tasers than getting all gun-crazy. Might lead to the escalation in use of weaponry by (violent) crims.

 
At 30/8/06 10:38 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

they should only be allowed to be used on armed persons...

there should be an automatic compensation of $10,000 for any unarmed person who is tasered.


i've been arrested about 10 times in my younger days of alcohol abuse.. including several times when i was also sober and psychotic on the streets of christchurch. I think there's quite enough fear created in 'victims' of the police system through being put in cells and hand cuffed etc as it is.

Tasers will leave some people upset about the experience for years and years esp in conjunction with their subsequent incarceration and probably upset state at the time.

Should someone who is 'running away' from police be tasered?

Should someone who is struggling to avoid being put in hand cuffs be tasered?

I don't think so..
I'm not the kind of person that would happen to now..
but in my younger days it could have happened to me quite easilly i think if they police had them available.

I've got stories to tell.. but think i'd better keep them to myself.

taichi-taro

 
At 30/8/06 12:18 pm, Blogger bomber said...

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Folks - explain this to me - WHY should I trust the cops with a taser IF there is NO independent police complaints authority – answer me that – we know they have abused dogs and pepper-spray, yet you seem to be trusting of the Police not to miss-use taser’s? I’ll cut a deal with all of you who seem to be pro-Police, you give me an independent police complaints authority to investigate miss-use of Police power and you can have fully automatic machine guns if you want, I don’t care – AS LONG AS I have an independent police complaints authority that can investigate the Police and pass those investigations onto the Courts if miss-use has been proved. Unlike the majority of sheep, I mean New Zealanders, the Police know how bad going to Prison is, triple that if you are a cop, and with the real threat of going inside, you would see cops stick to the rules rather than abuse them.

 
At 30/8/06 12:26 pm, Anonymous jon said...

I don't think the cops will merely use a taser on someone with a gun. I couldn't see the cops being too happy about turning up what is essentially a gun fight armed only with a taser.

Looks to me that the lesson is that violent confrontation with the police (or probably anyone for that matter) are to be avoided.

The cops are likely to be far more constrained by rules of engagement than someone who's lost the plot, is going apeshit with a weapon and doesn't give a shit.

Bomber's point about the use of pepper spray and/or tasers on someone who's already in handcuffs is a good one. What's the situation if the person in handcuffs is attempting they're attempting to escape or becoming violent?

Hmmm. Makes me wonder what the process for determining what the rules of engagement should be?

And what's the deal with TV3 getting punished for the Ron Mark flipping the finger coverage? okay there are rules for filming parliament, but if MP's or other participants behave poorly in the debating chamber or otherwhere, then they should be exposed for their actions. In this way the media regulates the behaviour of government.

 
At 30/8/06 2:49 pm, Anonymous Tim said...

I still remember Murray Stretch who was beaten to death with someones bare hands...So to Anonymous above...I think the danger of the situation is one needing to be weighed by the police officer concerned, not necessariy the presence of a physical "weapon" per se.

 
At 30/8/06 2:56 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even Amnesty International is against the use of Tazer Guns, they have been used in America as torture weapons - even on school children.

 
At 30/8/06 3:14 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Bomber, if youre so worried about a 'non-independent' police complaints authority how do you explain a complaint being referred to the pca, investigated and then sent to court for our justice system to decide??
Tasers are rarely going to be used and when they are it is going to be in circumstances where an idiot has brought it upon himself by the way he is behaving. To all those anti-taser tree hugging liberals / criminals : if you don't like the sound of a taser don't put yourself in the position to be tasered: simple. The only people that are going to get tasered are pieces of shit behaving outside the norms of a lawful society and the police should be given all the tools they need...heaven forbid they actually shoot someone! that would really give you something to whinge about aye bomber.

 
At 30/8/06 3:25 pm, Blogger bomber said...

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Hold on Anon - you can't seriously suggest that the current system works - cops investigating cops? Come on, get off the p pipe bro - how can you suggest that secretive system will always work? You don't have a leg to stand on here, THERE IS NO independent police complaints authority, that isn't opinion, it is FACT - just because it works 'now and again' isn't good enough mate. Why would you just hand over so much power to the cops Anon? As for your 'The only people that are going to get tasered are pieces of shit behaving outside the norms of a lawful society and the police should be given all the tools they need" (btw - how compassionate of you Anon, what a top bloke) nonesense, what about the mentally ill who get caught out, dumb drunk kids, you are suggesting everyone who gets arrested deserves it - that simply isn't true. And I notice you don't even try to counter my point that the Police already miss-use their dogs and pepper-spray.

 
At 30/8/06 3:34 pm, Anonymous deano said...

Tasers are just another tool police should be allowed to have in their arsenal. We have some dangerous scum in this country, no doubt. Good cops deserve to have means to subdue violent individuals who resist arrest. You are always concerned with protecting the offender, Bomber, but what about, say, a small policewoman cornered by a large gang member?

I agree we should have an Independent Police Complaints Inquiry. Then maybe monsters like a certain Assistant Commisioner won't be able to get away with what they do.

 
At 30/8/06 3:39 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sure mental people may get tasered...but to do so they are going to be endangering either themselves, public or police who attend to resolve the situation. It's known fact that mental people have super human strengths much like fried up p heads. a dumb drunk isnt going to get tasered unless he's running round being 'assaultive' and again posing serious threats. the taser is to be used as a last result but before firearms, therefore pepper spray is to be considered first and based on an assessment of the individuals behaviour and the likelihood of it affecting him. as for your comment of dogs ripping innocent people up- yes it has happened because unfortunately a member of public happens to cross the scent and the dog doesnt have the ability to pick and choose who is at fault. this goes the same for biting police officers who get in the way while chasing offenders..its not a case of abuse, but a case of genuine mistake which is followed up in detail and countless reports are submitted.
were you a bad ass in your younger days? is that why you are anti taser or is it just anti police?

 
At 30/8/06 3:43 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

An independednt police complaints authority would be a good idea but it would have to have an element of police personnel running it. Can you imagine Marie Dhyrberg running it?! All the crims would get pay outs while the cop who got punched, stabbed or bitten would be kicked out of the job.

 
At 30/8/06 3:44 pm, Blogger bomber said...

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At last I agree in part with Deano - look of course no one wants to see Police getting smashed up during the course of their job - that doesn't help Society BUT with so much proof that Cops currently abuse the tools they have, why give them an extra power when we don't have, as citizens, a place where we can get legitimate investigation of any miss-use of Police powers. Oh and as for Anon, you started out saying that pieces of shit deserve this, I point out the mentally ill, and you give me some silly response. Was I a bad arse? No I just care about my Society and don't like the drift towards a Police State, you know, the sort of things WE SHOULD ALL BE CONCERNED ABOUT!

 
At 30/8/06 3:45 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

...a small policewoman cornered by a large gang-member? When did that happen?

 
At 30/8/06 3:47 pm, Anonymous Tim said...

Ha ha anonymous....just because Amnesty International isagainst something does not a justification make...some "School children" are equally capable of endangering others or even of taking someone elses life...How old does one have to be to pull a knife or a trigger? Just look at some of the stories in the news today

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=0008FD36-F5CF-14F3-B07083027AF1010F

 
At 30/8/06 3:48 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

all the time...try going for a ride along one night in auckland...

 
At 30/8/06 3:56 pm, Anonymous Tim said...

Or Tauranga for that matter...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=000D43AB-3204-14F4-851783027AF1010E

 
At 30/8/06 4:14 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok then you say that all school children are fair game for being shot by a taser gun?

 
At 30/8/06 4:16 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

...when did the small policewoman cornered by a large gang member happen?

 
At 30/8/06 4:19 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bomber, lawyers investigate other lawyers, Drs investigate other Drs, builders investigate builders, accountants investigate accountants, MPs investigate each other, the Army looks at their own and sometimes journalists sit in judgement of other journos.

So it seems you only have a problem with the cops investigating themselves, I take it you expect them to have the same rights as anyone else under investigation for an criminal offence....dont you?

 
At 30/8/06 4:29 pm, Blogger bomber said...

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Anon - no I DO have a problem with those boards as well - my God the Drs have allowed some very bloody dodgy rulings to go through - but those are professional bodies regulating their professions – the Police are a Government force with massive powers over our freedoms – of course they need to have an independent body that investigates their miss-use of powers – am I missing something here – why do you all seem to trust Big Brother to look after your rights for you?

 
At 30/8/06 4:42 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who says we trust them Bomber.

But what gaurantees an independant system is going to be any better.

Define better - what are you looking for , more cops in Court, a body count factor perhaps, a police force so timid they dont do anything..

I still read of cops getting charged. Judging by what your saying they get away with everything.

 
At 30/8/06 4:52 pm, Blogger bomber said...

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I'm not promising Utopia - but it would be a damned site better to have an independent police complaints authority, I am truly staggered that I would have to even argue this point - oh and as for the cops you hear getting charged - name the last one who was charged with a mis-use of their power

 
At 30/8/06 5:12 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How would it be better exactly.

What exactly are you looking for here

The reason you have to argue these points is your argument is not persuasive or do you believe evryone should just accept what you are saying.

 
At 30/8/06 5:29 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bomber i could name a name right now but i wont, yet it went to pca, then court and was covered in paper...perhaps you are so amazed with the response you receive because it is you who is on the outter and have a problem with cops? who do you call when you or your family need help?? yes, thought so...

 
At 30/8/06 6:02 pm, Anonymous bomber said...

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No I'm amazed that you don't seem to be able to see that making conditions inside prison as harsh as possible only creates more damaged and warped human beings - and am amazed that even though I've shown Police miss-use pepper-spray and dogs you seem to want them to have more power with Tasers YET won't allow a body to investigate Police when they over step the mark - I'm absolutly astounded that you would support a Police State - but then again apathy like yours is what allows these things to happen in the first place hu? I mean you did see the cops pepper-spray that guy handcuffed on the ground outside the fight for life didn't you?

 
At 30/8/06 6:09 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ofcourse I've seen the handcuffed guy being pepper sprayed..but as a journo I thought you at least would have approached tv3 and seen the true length of footage of the scene! what you saw on tv was an edited patched together version of events..subsequently the officer was backed immediately by his area commander. c'mon bomber at least you should know how the media operates and is after a story, picking and choosing what they wish to inform the public and cover in order to make a buck! do some homework perhaps. and as for a police state-youre a dreamer! all the taser gives police is a less forceful option that a bullet-how can that be bad? it will mean all your 'misguided members of society' who you hold so dear are still around 5 seconds later to commit more violent crimes.

 
At 30/8/06 6:20 pm, Anonymous bomber said...

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NO WAY - I'm sorry Anon - but that is bullshit! I mean you take pro-cop to an extreme, I saw that footage, and read the report - the cop who sprayed the guy in the face DID IT FOR A WAITRESS! The guy was on the ground handcuffed - the rules for pepper-spray are for self-defence, THIS GUY WAS NOT A THREAT - of course the cops defended him, they attempted to say 'he was spitting' that is crap and only shows how far they go to defend themselves - and with no truly independent police complaints authority it only gets worse - why are you so frightened to not have an independent police complaints authority - are you a cop? What about the dog attack that ripped an artery out of an innocent mans arm? If you want to justify a Police State you should be a lot more up front and stop hiding behind the anon tag

 
At 30/8/06 6:21 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

a guy handcuffed lying face up on the pavement... the cop just casually walks over to him and sprays the pepper into his face... no editing required...

 
At 30/8/06 6:33 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

again bomber make you sure you gain access to all the footage.. no im not a cop but have the utmost respect for them and believe they should have all the tools available to deal with scum. I said earlier an independent complaints authority would be a good idea but that it would need to have some police presence underlying because communists like Dhyrberg and yourself would have all the crims getting payouts and all the cops being stood down for using appropriate force. and contrary to what you may believe just because a person is handcuffed does not mean they pose a physical threat to others..why has NZ become so pc? it seems the rights of troublemakers now outweigh those of normal law abiding citizens. and the reason i don't 'sign up' to your site is because i only have a look every now and then because listening to communist/liberal tree hugging crap all the time is draining. how bout some positive stories????

 
At 30/8/06 7:02 pm, Anonymous bomber said...

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Anon
1: I'm not asking you to sign up, just that you put a name to your opinions
2: I'm glad you love cops so much, even though their 19 weeks create pigs who do not have the skills in the 21st century to diffuse situations other than pepper-spraying or tasering people - the Police need MORE resources and better training so that they are able to handle the challenges of Policing in the 21st Century - do you know how long cops spend on domestic violence - the number one killer of woman in this country? ONE DAY - to understand all the complexities of domestic violence - it is so good that you have so much faith in our undertrained Police - tell me Anon - do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
3: I do agree that you do need Police on any independent complaints authority - there are many good policemen who want things to change as well - however calling defence lawyers 'Communists' says more about you than it does for your arguement

OH and as for the person who asked - what do you do when you need help? I take it you had that smug tone about you that suggests "You would call the cops" - actually No I wouldn't - the advice I have given people on talkback for 8 years is the same I would give now - IF I was in trouble, someone breaking into my house - I would call the Fire department - within 8 mins I get 4 guys with axes - IF I call the cops it could be hours, they might send a taxi, who knows - I WOULD CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT - and I would advise anyone to do that

 
At 30/8/06 7:03 pm, Blogger Msth8d said...

lol half of you all asume this and asume that in relation to tazers, "giving the pigs the tools for the job" please what a utter joke,I thought that was the reason for pepper spray. lol me there no bloody way I trust the police over anything and some people I know have just joined the pig force. But now you will see an up step in violence, people travelling with weapons, guns, knives bats and in groups, and if one out a group gets hit bad with a tazer you may even see another Riot or two. Me I knew this crap was coming so I have already got my anti tazer vest from the states.

 
At 30/8/06 7:14 pm, Anonymous sdm said...

This may surprise people, but I think the following

The priority of policing in NZ is to establish a INDEPENDANT police complaints authority, with FULL powers to deal with any abuse of power/responsibility of the police.

Then, and only then, should tazers be considered. That way, the police know that if they go too far there will be real and significant consquences.

 
At 30/8/06 7:27 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have to agree with you bomber some of the cops graduating are a joke however the capable cops have to make do rather than bitch about them. As for the toothfairy there's probably more chance that she is real than ever having a 'perfect police force' this can be put down to a couple of reasons.
1. The pay does definitely not attract the volume of quality people required and 2. with so much public dissatisfafction in police due to the narrowmindedness of people basing their judgements of the force on the actions of a few, the govt will not take a pay increase seriously.
Oh and how ironic bomber, you would call a group of four guys armed with axes to come to your aid yet two officers going to a violent job are not allowed to have a device that incapacitates an offender for 5 seconds with no lasting effects...seems you have got your thinking back to front with this one.

 
At 30/8/06 7:33 pm, Blogger Msth8d said...

anon 30/8/06 7:27 PM where the hell are your brains? in your ass. WTF you mean no lasting effects, so tell us how many times has your staunch ass being shot with a tazer, better still tell that to the 200 USA families that lost a member of there family to this weapon. Mate asumption is the mother of all fuck ups, and this is one of them for NZ.

 
At 30/8/06 7:36 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey dreamer msth8d..i for one can tell you that i have been hit with a taser. no im not a crim-i volunteered to experience what it is like. 5 seconds of pain and then i was right as rain. i played bball all arvo immediately after. the way you talk i assume youve been tasered?? oh, probably not.

 
At 30/8/06 7:40 pm, Anonymous sarah said...

Um - Anon - wouldn't that make you a cop?

 
At 30/8/06 7:45 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep, nice to join the debate. Sorry I missed most of it!

 
At 30/8/06 7:46 pm, Anonymous bomber said...

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Scott makes a VERY good point - I disagree with him a lot of the time - but on this he makes a lot of sense.

Anon - you are right, there are a lot of cops who are trying to do a good job, but we have a lot of undertrained cops who simply don't have the skills - WE HAVE TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO POLICING - I think though that we have to criticise the Police force or we won't get change - I honestly think the lowering of the physical standards has led to cops who are not as physically confident as they once were and so they are relying on pepper-spray and tasers, which leads to the problems we are seeing – as for the 4 men with axes, I think I have to put my sarcastic comments in bold or something

 
At 30/8/06 7:50 pm, Anonymous sarah said...

Are we cool with having cops on this site? Bomber?

 
At 30/8/06 7:53 pm, Anonymous bomber said...

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Grin - of course - Police are human too - and they have as much right to voice their opinion as anyone else - hell we might even learn a thing or two! But I really do draw the line at people who vote for Peter Dunn or the United Party

 
At 30/8/06 7:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

why thanks bomber. i'm surprised at sarahs comment though! was it tongue in cheek perhaps?

 
At 30/8/06 8:04 pm, Blogger Msth8d said...

wooo hoooo a pig, so tell me pig did you put the axes away to act all responsible? what and I am now supose to feel relief because you were a pig volunteered, so I am supose to trust you right PIG, well I think Jesus will return before that happens. I was thinking about importing them vests might make a good business.

 
At 30/8/06 8:04 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah the lowering of the physical standards to get into the police sux!!!!! especially for those who had to work REALLY hard to do the horrible 2.4km run!!!!!! Im sure the police are hating the chubby, partially deaf and blind, asthmatic new recruits!!!!

 
At 30/8/06 8:30 pm, Anonymous sdm said...

Bomber,

We may not agree on everything, but I think you will find I am hardly a narrow right winger....I take each issue as it comes. Again, appreciate the forum....

Regards

Scott

 
At 30/8/06 9:35 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Are we cool with having cops on this site? Bomber?"


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Quote of the fucken year.

AB

 
At 30/8/06 11:21 pm, Blogger Msth8d said...

fuck give me that tazer I want to shoot AB
It might brighten up his day

 
At 30/8/06 11:22 pm, Anonymous deano said...

This 'msth8d' character gets my vote as the biggest retard I have seen posting on this site. And that's saying something.

 
At 31/8/06 12:15 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It's known fact that mental people have super human strengths much like fried up p heads" From which peer-reviewed article did you read this anon?

 
At 31/8/06 2:46 am, Anonymous Nathan said...

Ok, a few comments I would like to make
1/ 19 weeks for training. PLEASE tell me this is wrong. this is nowhere near enough. You are joking arn't you?
2/ "Police need the right tools for the job." Pepper-spray and tasers? I don't think so. Try instead, their brains and the ability to effectivly communicate.
3/ What's wrong with the a good old fashioned big stick? The standard Police issue tonfa style long batton should be enough for any properly trained officer (yes even a small female one confrounted by a large male gang member) to DEFEND themselves and the public from harm.
4/ Are the people who are against an independant police complaints authority also against independant war crime tribunals? WHY do we STILL not have an independant body for this?
Anyway thats my 2 cents, no wait, 5 cents, no sorry, 10 cents worth.

 
At 31/8/06 6:51 am, Blogger Msth8d said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

 
At 31/8/06 7:36 am, Blogger Msth8d said...

I reckon there will more violence because of these tazers and a pig that came on here and said "its all sweet, I was shot with one", please what fucking joke, 5 minutes of pain he said, so I guess they wont hold there finger on the trigger longer than that right? they show that shit on the news to justify its use. So I am supose to trust all pigs now right? and because they only have 1- 19 weeks training, thats the excuse for planting evidence and bullshiting in there statements just to close a case.

anon that said will be the last resort, before firearms, isnt that what they said about pepper spray? Shit 2 on my own relatives are in gangs, ones a Hell Angel the Other a Nomads, I know that, these gangs are arming themselves, because they believe there will be confrontation.

But hey we reep what we sow. In the mean time I might sell bodyarmour vest on trademe, stab proof, bullet proof vests... any takers?
(Better to have one and not need it, than to need it and not have one.)

(msg for DENO) I just cant stand pricks like you and AB, self righteous gits that think your shit dont stink.
But I am so hurt, because you called me names, lol the insults of this day in age.....scarey, really scarey

 
At 31/8/06 7:48 am, Anonymous sarah said...

Bomber - why don't you just delete ABs comments - the guy is a cock!

 
At 31/8/06 7:58 am, Anonymous bomber said...

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Grin – Yeah I know Sarah, but me and Tim were always pretty clear on our thoughts for this site – we wanted a space that we didn’t moderate to allow it to be a free and open exchange of ideas, and I’m pretty loath to censor that, no matter how stupid the comments. Some would want Msth8d kicked off, personally I find Msth8d’s opinions fresh and thoughtful – we all have the right to debate, it’s a democracy and we shouldn’t ever be afraid of that, ABs comments say more about him than they do about us.

 
At 31/8/06 10:51 am, Anonymous TJ said...

Hey Msth8d, seriously, when was the last time you saw the Hells Angels aim for a confrontation with the police? They are a bit smarter as a general rule than trash like the Nomads...they tend to go about their business slightly more under the radar than those idiots...

 
At 31/8/06 12:22 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey msth8d...how about you come back to this site and tell us what it was like to get tasered because i think we can all tell you are the sort of loser / waste of space / dole bludging / crim who is going to get it. and for your reference it is 5 seconds of pain for each press of the trigger.. and you would only need one hit because youd be cowering in the corner. msth8d as said above, the gangs like nomads and hells angels arent dum enough to get into confrontations with cops- that would impact negatively on their illicit drug dealing.
Nathan..the taser is a lot less hurtful than being whacked by a baton..no broken bones, bruising, aching muscles.. and dont give me the line 'but tasers kill'...

 
At 31/8/06 4:11 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent. Couldn't agree more!

Listening to talkback radio about stun guns I realised that there are a lot of sadists and freaks in society who are, unfortunately, very vocal and get extreme delight at the thought of torturing someone.

They don't care that the police have proved beyond a doubt that they cannot be trusted and to hand them another lethal weapon is like handing a burglar the key to your house. All they care about is the thrill they will get from thinking about someone being electrocuted while they are lying on the ground handcuffed.

When we have the inevitable incident being caught on video tape of someone being tortured by a stun gun while handcuffed or somebody killed by a stun gun at the hands of a "jumpy" police officer (or perhaps a police woman who has to "prove that she is the boss" - as one screamed at me recently - peppered with a lot of f... words) the public reaction will be one of "well, he probably deserved it, being as he was, in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 
At 31/8/06 7:33 pm, Blogger Msth8d said...

tj when is it that youve been to the Hells Angels pad. bud, you seem to know all the ins and out please enlighten me, shit I now only, sometimes, drink there with my brother. Seeing you know all about it, you should make a time and I'll meet you there you can tell us all about it.

As for the Nomads, yeah I agree there fucking crazy, but thats what they are about.. thats there constitution, if you like... as for scum G I dont know, do you think that why they hate pricks like you too,(just a thought) but that not my afair but I can arrange the meet with them too tj seeing you know so much I am sure they would love to get a grip on your concept? ..... what do you say up to it?

probably not huh, for whatever reason

Anon if you are that PIG that tested these tazers all I can say is wip de do da fucken day. 5 seconds did you feel like a man, did all the women pigs look at you with a gleam in there eye. Yet I know 200 people died as a result of this weapon, theres no guideline as to who you can tazer, old, young, medical ill. Now you asked me, have I been tazered? well I have been stabed 5 times, shot 4 times... but nar I have never been tazered lol.. personally I will protect my own, if my wife or kids get seriously hurt from this weapon, I will step out and come looking for the PIG that did it. I wont care where this PIG is either, I will get justice my way.

As for dole and all that other shit. You PIGS are all the same, so after insulting me, I am suppose to trust you wont abuse this weapon? But you, PIG, dont know shit about me, I rode with the Hells Angels here and in OZ I was in that war between the Hells Angels and the Bandidos, I dont need no dole, I own 3 houses 4 harleys 2 Ford LTD, you PIGS should know this you tryed to take them lol and failed.....lol never mind

 
At 31/8/06 8:11 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee matserbated or whatever - you are just THE MAN ain't ya? You was in the war aye?. Rode with the Angels,drink with them.Gosh oh my you are sooooo cool.You even write pigs in CAPITALS. Outrageous.

Considering you write like a five year old I'm amazed that you have 2 FORD LTDS. Only 3 houses huh? Must have been a bad year for P? Is your brother as cool as you? Maybe Sarah is looking for a boyfriend? She may have to ask Boomer first if its all right.

And Hey fuckboy I know my shit stinks and you should maybe just remember YOU don't know who YOU are talking too.

Tim is a racist piece of shit as far as I'm concerned.I have been coming to this site and arguing against his racism for more than two years now, how long you been coming here Masterbater??????

I have always appriecated that Tim has NEVER tried to ban me or stop me commenting here , even though we disagree on most things. I do not think Tim should be rotting away down in the Roa.

All in all Masterbater you should maybe try engaging your brain before your keyboard.

And to all the people that assume that I am a man, please just stop it.

AB

 
At 31/8/06 10:03 pm, Anonymous tj said...

Which one msth8d, I only know the one at Brentwood, never been down to Wanganui or Hastings, and never been into any, but y'know, NZ not necessarily a big place and its interesting the people you run into working doors...and its interesting the things some people say when they on the burn etc...sometimes its just easier to sit back and listen...police always interested to her that sort of info...having said that, they might be low life crims, but they not dumb enough to want to go to war with the cops...much easier to sit back and contract things out to other allies etc and still make their drug profits with less heat...

And ps fella, if you "rode with the Angels" etc etc... and hang at the pad so much, how come you never got a patch bud? Not up to making the grade?

 
At 1/9/06 12:36 am, Blogger Msth8d said...

who said I never patched bud?

I got kids now and there got kids and the shit that I was doing I saw it in them the mosted, my eldest son has seen alot more than most, it was time for me to move on. I still drink there. but I didnt want that life for my kids maybe its age fuck knows. Hells Angels was never about being tuff more was about being clever, we never got our hands dirty unless we needed too.

That was long ago for me, as for pigs sorry man I cant ever trust them, any trouble they are the last people I would call. I have tasted that crap first hand. Fuck em

AB you waste of space crash eating pig shit. what fucks you off the most, that I repect Tim Selwyn, someone I have never met, because he stood up for a racist law, or is it because I am Maori and own 2 ford LTD 4 Harleys and 3 houses, lol free and clear, do you need a tissue?

(Quote) And to all the people that assume that I am a man, please just stop it. AB (End quote)

So what are you saying your a "shemale" fuck no one want to know that shit. woof woof hush puppy

I am normally there Saturdays tj, if your there ask for REX, lets have a beer.

 
At 1/9/06 12:46 am, Blogger Msth8d said...

AB go shoot yourself, or join the the Mongrel Mob all dogs should be together

 
At 1/9/06 9:34 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey I'm really not too sure about this I't's good IF there is a bad violent situation and there's no way to get the offender restrained. But then again I just hope the person getting taserd hasn't got a bad heart or even pregnant so far most of the ones I've seen on the net and on tv the so called offender has there hands up and is co-operating. So can our cops turn to 'power crazy legal gang members out to get every body'

 
At 1/9/06 9:45 am, Anonymous tj said...

Next time I'm around I might just do that...door is normally closed tho and not going to climb over the wall in case you guys still got that electric wire running around the inside of it that I heard about lol...should I just knock?

PS Thought you might have been Bruce, but then he only just out so yeah, obviously not...

 
At 1/9/06 3:23 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Masterbater, you are the man! no I really mean it. You've been 'to war'..with a bunch of fat motorcycling clowns. you deserve medlas and commemoration days for what you went through..how selfless of you to fight for something so important. i think we need more fuckwits like you around, no i really do. society would be perfect. Oh, and i'm sure you will probably get tasered and might even pass away...but it's ok because thousands of people would attend you funeral and a day of national mourning would be implemented. ooh youve been stabbed and shot-all for righteous reasons aye. I mean you are a defender of the rights of society and it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact you were a part of a concentration of scum, living as scum and dealing in scum?? pull your head in fag boy and get your dick out of your gang bitch

 
At 1/9/06 10:36 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umm Masterbater I was thinking of replying to your dribble above but then I realised that you to are obviously just another racist piece of shit. Having popped over to your blog and had a little look see at your unformed ideas I see nothing to change my mind.

So... You're a native aye?
Please define native for me masterbater.

I mean, you know, Abo's - been in Aussie at least 60,000 years - yup theys native.

American Indians been in merica 25,000 plus years - yup theys natives.

Maori -possibly been here absolute max 900 years- hmmmmm natives???????

After you've defined native then tell me HOW long you need to be somewhere to be a native.ie 100yrs?,300yrs?,500yrs?

And for your information you silly man - if you really own all that shit free and good - well I'm happy for ya.(I really don't care if you are black,white or green cause you see I'm NOT a racist) Quite why you need 4 bikes, 2 cars and three houses I really don't want to know. Seems like you're sorta competeing on the whitemans terms abit there big boy?.

As to my sexual statis - what if I am a transexual? Do you really care? Does it make any difference at all? Unless ,of course, you always had that secret little fantasy, you know when you're drinking with the boys down at the bar . I keep hearing most of those biker boys are closet gays.Maybe I'll pop in for a shandy one day too. What is it ask for Rex?.

Have a nice day.

AB

 
At 2/9/06 9:26 am, Blogger Msth8d said...

IF ANYONE HAS THIS FOOLS ADDRESS OR IP ADDRESS SEND IT TO ME A EMAIL, mstha8d@hotmail.com

even better AB you send me a email, you want some of my attention ill give you some, I hope you like it.

 
At 2/9/06 12:09 pm, Blogger Msth8d said...

Ill pay $1000 for AB correct IP address, or address, or info leading to this shemales house.

 
At 3/9/06 1:55 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT A LOSER!!!! yeah thats right aye, respond with anger rather than putting your thoughts into non violent channels. still, cant say im surprised as you ARE the man who hangs with such upstanding members of society. maybe you will get a good dose of a taser and go inside where you will have fun??

 
At 4/9/06 4:03 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Police enforce Criminal law, yet they only have 19 weeks of training. Lawyers have years of law study, it's no wonder that our own Police don't have the slightest idea of what the law even means?
As for issue of Tazer's-How can the Police bring in such a device without any public consultation or Government permission and expect the public to have full confidence in them? One only has to remeber what happened to Steven Wallace in the North Island or Mr Menzies in the South Island of NZ, shame on those people who call themselves protectors of the peace and walk arond in a uniform.Should Ploice succeed in getting tazer's I hope the public take it upon themselves to leave their homes with some type of defensive weapon concealed on their person.

 

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