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Tuesday, May 06, 2008

Our ‘youngest killer’ should have told the parole board to go get fucked


Kurariki out of jail
One of New Zealand's youngest convicted killers, Bailey Junior Kurariki, was released from prison today, the Department of Corrections confirmed this afternoon. In April, the Parole Board determined to release Kurariki this month, four months before his seven-year jail sentence ends in September saying it was likely to be safer for the community. By releasing Kurariki before his sentence officially ended, the board was able to impose strict parole conditions on his release.

If you asked most NZers how many times Bailey Junior Kurariki hit Michael Choy, the pizza delivery man who so tragically died, they would tell you, “Ohh, I’d so 50 bro”, others would say “ummmm, prolly 150”, those who listen to ZB would say, ‘ohhhh, 150 plus infinity” – the reality of course is that Bailey didn’t hit Michael at all, it was his dumb mate, Bailey was the ‘look out’ – these dumb young stupid kids thought if they hit the pizza man in the head, he’d be knocked out and they could get his pizzas and money, so they hit Michael ONCE in the head, they took his money and pizza off him and then led Michael back to his pizza deliver car (where he was promptly robbed again by some girls who watched the whole thing on the other side of the road - nice neighborhood), Choy then crawled out of his car, banged on the door of an old couple (who didn’t answer the door) and he died. This was tragic, but it was not the murder of the century made by criminal masterminds – but the fury this case sparked for white NZ bordered on the type of hysteria that saw Peter Ellis go down for mythical child abuse in Christchurch. Headlines screamed ’12 YEAR OLD KILLER’, talkback rednecks bulged and if Kiwi Blogh had existed I imagine many posters would have been calling for the death penalty. The entire trial was a farce, the verdict was a farce, the sentence handed down was a farce – all swept along by the kind of garden variety bigotry that lives deep within many white conservative NZers, the same way Don Brash’s ‘Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaori get too much’ reverberated during his Orewa speech. So what do we have now – a kid who has been inside prison for 6 years, how that effects adults is well documented, how it would effect a kid is unknown because few in the OECD put children in prison – and look at the bullshit he’s had to go through, 4 months left on his sentence, after the way he has been treated by an intrinsically racist ‘justice’ system he should have told them to go get fucked, do the remaining 4 months and leave with no bullshit Parole conditions whatsoever. Funny how a white cop convicted of a gang rape is up for parole after 2 and half years, not to mention the two other trials where he was let off two other rapes with exact same circumstances, funny how he’s looking at parole, but the 12 year old who was merely a look out in a bungled burglary where one blow is traded gets 6 years with only a window dressing parole to pretend they have some type of control over him so that talkback radio doesn’t blow a vein. Funny how justice works for white rapist cops vs 12 year old dumb kids who act as lookouts isn’t it?

66 Comments:

At 6/5/08 8:41 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have officially lost it.

 
At 6/5/08 8:43 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Bomber, can I send your post to Mrs Choy? I'm sure she will see where you are coming from.

 
At 6/5/08 9:05 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is your most pathetic post ever bomber.

Bungled burglary?
Try premeditated murder.

They ordered a pizza solely to attack the delivery driver.
They beat him so badly that he died of his injuries.

It doesn't matter if you inflicted the fatal blow, or stood and watched, you are still guilty of murder.

Just a lookout?
Peter MacNamara was just a lookout when Schollum and Shipton raped the woman.
Using your logic, he is not guilty of anything either. Perhaps he should telll the parole board to get fucked too. And you will be supporting him all the way huh bomber?

Kuariki will not tell the parole board to get fucked, because he will need them on his side next time he is imprisoned, and this "person" will definately be going back to prison one day.

Reading your post, it comes across as you find Kuariki guilty of nothing.
The old couple (who didn't open their door) come across as more culpable in your eyes that Kuariki.

Pathetic post bomber.

 
At 6/5/08 9:37 am, Blogger Lyndon said...

Actually bomber has a point, although if he used more paragraph spaces I might be more sure of that...

It's not just the cops though. Almost -anybody- would have had a longer parole than this kid.

In a bizarre demonstration of how publicity-averse the parole board is, Kurariki has served more of his sentence in prison -because- he was twelve when he did it.

 
At 6/5/08 10:15 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes he was "only" the lookout and that is why his two mates who held the bat and did the planning aren't even up for parole for another 3 years. Their parts in the murder were that much more serious. Seven years is the bottom end for this type of crime. And he would have been out sooner if he could have refrained from beating on his fellow inmates.

 
At 6/5/08 11:32 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bomber wouldnt, couldnt even meet with them. He is a scared shitless wanker who hides behind his own bigotry and his pathetic TV channel(ALT), just like he tried on Campus where he was litterally chucked out for his pathetic views. The Choy family should take this wanna be aside and show him the graphic details of what there son, (Yes bomber there son which you quite obviously cannt have) went through.
I am sure that if you bevoted your time to a better society than you have here it could all turn out positive.
Oh Bomber doesnt have a bubble he is one.

 
At 6/5/08 12:22 pm, Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

I have to investigate further (to avoid defamation suits) but I believe that Kurariki was represented by NZ's worst defence lawyer - a legal aid job - who fucked up the trial of a teenage girl who was wrongly accused (and later compensated).

What I want people to think about - given only about 5 kids were witness to the actual event - is what if the word Kurariki said was "No!" - not "Go!"? Would that make any difference to the ridiculous claims some commentators have made about "premeditated murder" etc. They did not set out to attack someone - they set out to get a free pizza: that was their motivation.

 
At 6/5/08 12:30 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s so easy to criticise everything and everyone from a safe/comfortable distance.

But, as Bomber tells us at every opportunity, his life is full of 'good works' he is on lots of charity boards. All that coffee, biscuits and chitty chat makes the world a much better place I’m sure.

If he likes South Auckland so much go and live there, the presence of such a superior specimen can only be a good things surely. Of course big mouth cowards might find they won’t like it too much. One things about criminals and ‘the poor’ is they can spot a fake from a long way off, the dopey ones they use, the arrogant know it alls might get more than they bargained for.

On another note - I saw the ‘foung god’ thing. Surely that other useless talk fest The Human Wrongs Committee/Commission should investigate why preferential treatment is given to criminals who display belief in the supernatural over those who manage to stay in reality. It’s disgusting how many favours are handed out to ‘religious’ groups who prey on jails, and how many favours criminals who get into it (either genuinely or for fun) get.

Jails are a great recruiting ground for various nut case groups, if Bomber wants a cause maybe he should investigate that abuse, criminals have enough problems without being encouraged back into the dark ages and dangerous fantasy.

As well as the usual drunken pigs prison staff they have a large number of low level managers (and I think a fair at the higher levels as well) who are ‘born agains’. One used to lock his office door for two hours each afternoon to read the bible, he a visit from Jesus and from then spent most of his day proselytising and praying. All any crim has to do to get what they want was to join in his baptisms and bible readings, he used to set up a dunking pool. His bizarre behaviour was accommodated by the department.

Admitting to being an atheist in jail (whether you live there or work there) carry’s a very high price, all the favours and perks go to the ‘believers’. What about standing up for some rights, fairness and equality for the atheist criminals.

How can it be legal for a persons religious (or non-religious beliefs) to be considered by the parole board and that if a crim joins a prayer groups it increases their chances of early release.

AS for sending Bailey back to his ‘family’ would that be the same family who are responsible for him being a violent criminal in the first place – family and religion two great toxic myths.

Anon - you are right, a lot of details of many crims are kept secret from the public, many are just to awful to ever be released. Like many photos, if people saw them they would be even more outraged than they are now.

 
At 6/5/08 12:43 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Kurariki should have taken your advice and told the parole board to get fucked. That would have kept him inside for another year for the betterment of society.

 
At 6/5/08 1:01 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is perhaps Bombers worst and most poorly written rant ever.

I wonder if the victim wasn't asian if Bomber would feel the same way, dismissing his life as a mere inconvience that got in the way of a few poor kids just out for a pizza.

Kurakiki was part of a group who killed a man, destroying that mans family forever. To minimize what they did as Bomber has simply goes to show how callous he is.

Had Kurakiki been given a quick scolding by a judge and sent on his way without any punishment where do you think he would be now given the way his life was going?

Invariably given his character and the environment he was in he would have committed more crimes and created even more victims.

And he wasn't held in side for so long because of his race or the publics opinion, it was because of his behaviour, his lack of remorse and the violence he inflicted on other inmates. Really Bomber do some research before you go on one of your dumbarse talkback style rants.

The funny thing is, and something that Bomber clearly can't grasp is that Kurakiki's time inside actually seems to have worked and if those around him are to believed he now has a chance at living a normal productive life, rather than the life of crime he was heading down.

 
At 6/5/08 1:06 pm, Blogger Jeff said...

If you knew more of the facts you would change your mind. An immediate family relative who had dealings with this kid through school said he was the most evil 12yo he had ever come accross. This person doesn't judge easy and is normally the person trying to give the person another chance.

Supposedly he was boasting about what they had done.

Some times you lose the plot.

 
At 6/5/08 1:37 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice try Tim. They wanted a pizza and their plan was to use force to get it. So "only" ag-rob at this point. Just the kind of shit you got up to as a kid I'm sure...
Unfortunately it was also proved that they were reckless with regard to the force they used and Michael died. And that my friend is murder.

 
At 6/5/08 2:03 pm, Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

Poor try ZB listener. When your 12 year old kid goes to his friend's house and gets involved in a dumb "plan" hatched by a 15 year old and all he did was stand there and say something and later it transpires that someone died then I expect you'll demand your son be locked up for life because, what were your smug words again, "they were reckless". Kids are reckless because they are kids, they don't think of the potential consequences... because they are children. It was also proved that none of them were contemplating murder either. They were contemplating hitting the pizza guy and getting the pizzas.

And when your 12 year old gets convinced by other kids to signal his mates to throw rotten vegetables at a car and then it crashes and someone later dies then I expect you to say that "they were reckless" and that your son should go to jail for murder. Is that what you would do? I don't believe you would be that much of a completely fucking no-brained arsehole.

 
At 6/5/08 2:46 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And when someone buries a hammer in the base of your skull they will say they only wanted your shoes. Good thing you don't write the law.

Somehow everyone in my family got through childhood without hitting pizza guys or throwing fruit at cars. Mainly because they knew it was wrong. But even if your ridiculous scenario was to occur it would not be murder. Why is that Tim? Please show us your brilliant legal mind. Hint: It lies in your deliberate misrepresentation of my comment on recklessness.

Oh and I haven't listened to ZB for at least 15 years and that was only for their cancellations. But congratulations on revealing another of your knee jerk prejudices.

 
At 6/5/08 3:26 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"They were contemplating hitting the pizza guy and getting the pizzas."

Yet at the end of the attack Michael Choy was dead, and the perpetrators, regardless of age, were arrested, charged, and found guilty of murder.

"Kids are reckless because they are kids, they don't think of the potential consequences... ."

The consequences are that they will be arrested, tried, and if found guilty, imprisoned.

"...because they are children"
Then it's juvenile detention, not prison.

"And when your 12 year old gets convinced by other kids to signal his mates to throw rotten vegetables at a car and then it crashes and someone later dies then I expect you to say that "they were reckless" and that your son should go to jail for murder.

Rotten tomatoes? Causing car to crash?
Use a real example, try a concrete block off an overpass.
Murder? You bet.

But lets stick with the case at hand.

If my son intentionally commited an act that left someone dead, then, devastated as I may be, I would have to let my son pay the consequences for his actions.

"I expect you to say that "they were reckless" and that your son should go to jail for murder. Is that what you would do?"

It's not up to me to decide my sons fate.
Imagine if it was up to the victims parents to decide?

"I don't believe you would be that much of a completely fucking no-brained arsehole."

Charming.
Bomber School of debate style I see.

 
At 6/5/08 3:35 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you have any children Tim ??

My kids were 12 (and 15) for a year and sure there were a pest at times but they managed to become hard working adults without being involved with assault or murder. Not because they had advantage – far from it, we were a benefit, poor housing area household for a while. In fact they had it tougher than most, as outsiders without family or local ties we were subjected to more abuse (not just from kids, some was led by teachers) than most, we had no help or support, we had to sink or swim on our own. Maybe it was the lack of inference by arrogant, smug ‘do-gooders’ that saved us.

One son particularly was told repeatedly by a school principle he was useless and would never achieve anything. There was nothing I could do, when I tried to intervene at the school to make things better it made it worse so we had to shut up and prove them wrong – he has a masters degree and a good job now, he will never forget how those people treated him but he rose above it. The kids took the route of work and stoicism, nothing like a grotty supermarket job at $3.50 an hour to make them work harder at school.

Some people talk as if drunk driving, burglary, assault, drug use and worse - are a normal part of the growing up process. Then they want 16 year old children to vote mmmmmm ......

The one thing that Bailey had against him was his trash parents, lets hope he will be encouraged to move away from them. Does Bomber have any children - god I hope not, another poor kid who wouldn't have a chance.

Children are a big responsibly and its can be tuff but there are ways ahead. Most of us from the bottom hit dead ends and experience despair now and then but the strong, decent and determined can look for new routes that do not involve hurting other people – even when they have hurt you.

 
At 6/5/08 3:55 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He (Kurariki) was convicted of manslaughter, not murder. Look up the difference.

There are no winners in this sorry situation. Michael Choy is still dead. Kurariki is still a convicted criminal, but keeping him in prison any longer doesn't benefit anyone. Hopefully he will have learned some valuable life skills and make a go of things (and avoid his miserable excuses for parents and friends).

I'm no fan of Tim and Bomber. Mr Anonymous' post that starts "It’s so easy to criticise everything and everyone from a safe/comfortable distance." was excellent, that sentence alone shows up the crux of the matter - they have a lot criticisms but don't even pretend to offer solutions or anything constructive. They are as sensationalist as the talkback stations they claim to hate.

But hey, this their blog so they are fully entitled to say whatever they like. The reader should just take everything they read here with a little pinch of salt.

Go back to ogling the naked news lady Bomber. Progressive? Yeah right.

The Ghost of Big Trev

 
At 6/5/08 4:08 pm, Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

Anon 3:37 - It is dangerous to bandy the word retard around. In criminal law it goes like this: if you are a 12 year old in a poor neighbourhood and your parents are incompetent and even when your mother has tried to get help from CYFS nothing happened and one night your older friends hatch a dumb idea to get free pizza and you stand by when someone gets hit so you can get their pizza and then you go to court and are represented by the worst defence lawyer in NZ and you have a hysterical conservative media playing prosecutor and you go up against the Crown's resources then you get a manslaughter conviction and the parole board is too well lobbied by vigilante groups to even let you out and you have to almost serve the whole time to come out into a country where you are a front page "killer" and continue to be demonised. That's how it plays out, and I don't think that's fair.

 
At 6/5/08 4:09 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually even the concrete block kid only went down on manslaughter. I was going to use that as proof of the stupidity of Tim's vegetable comparison but you beat me to it. And in his case there was evidence that he intended to cause an accident and went to some care to conceal the block and the position he dropped it from. Some kids chucking vegetables for fun may accidentally kill someone but you'd have a real mission trying to prove that they ever intended to hurt somebody, let alone planned to do so.

 
At 6/5/08 4:29 pm, Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

Ghost of Big Trev:
Re: solutions & being constructive.
1. If parents can't parent properly and ring CYFS or whatever then they should be responded to.
2. The victim's mother (esp.) should be attended to and supported by a group that isn't a quasi-vigilante organisation that uses her for their own political gain.
3. Kurariki (and probably some of the others too) need some close personal mentoring - not prison.
4. The Crown prosecutors should stop demanding maximum offences and penalties against minors.
5. NZ's worst defence lawyer should be investigated and struck off (I will be working on this - he's already been involved in two cases of miscarriages of justice that I have found).
6. Criminal cases involving minors should be handled with much more sensitivity by the media (including not gratuitously colluding with them).
7. The wider issues of the concentration of dysfunctional families and the criminality that it fosters is too complex for a bullet point answer - even if I had one.

 
At 6/5/08 4:33 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In criminal law it goes like this.."

Really Tim. I though intention went like this: a consequence is intended when it is the aim or objective of the actor or is FORESEEN as certain to result.

Therefore the issue is do you think that hitting someone with a blunt instrument on the head would cause an injury likely to result in death. So with all due respect I put it to you that if you don't then you are a fucking retard.

Maybe I should check the law libraries copy of Adams on Criminal law for why having a negligent mother or being the subject of media attention makes you not guilty of the offence. Maybe you could make it easier on me and quote the authority where you got it from since, it is as you say how the criminal law 'goes'.

 
At 6/5/08 4:33 pm, Blogger Bomber said...


GRIN- Oh gosh haven’t some of the posts been funny – let’s take a wee gander through shall we?

You have officially lost it.
No, I think this is one of my more salient posts, I appreciate that pointing out the facts of a sensationalized trial that points out the intrinsic racism of our system will ruffle a few feathers. Please point out what fact I got wrong?

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Hey Bomber, can I send your post to Mrs Choy? I'm sure she will see where you are coming from.
Making a mother hurt any further by purposely pointing out my blog for what I describe as a tragic murder is certainly your business, do you laugh at people in wheelchairs as well while you dance in front of them anonymous poster? I mean no offence to the Choy family, I’m just expressing my opinion.

NEXT...
This is your most pathetic post ever bomber.
Um, no, I’ve pointed out why I disagree with that statement the first poster made.

Bungled burglary?
Try premeditated murder.

No, try bungled, one hit to the head burglary where they then led Michael away to his car, describing it as premeditated murder shows you know nothing of the case.

They ordered a pizza solely to attack the delivery driver.
They beat him so badly that he died of his injuries.

They hit him once in the head with a bat.

It doesn't matter if you inflicted the fatal blow, or stood and watched, you are still guilty of murder.
Well that’s where we disagree, see I think it was the media backlash that demanded this sentence, and anyway Bailey was found guilty of manslaughter – NOT murder – can you please stick to the facts?

?Just a lookout?
Peter MacNamara was just a lookout when Schollum and Shipton raped the woman.
Using your logic, he is not guilty of anything either. Perhaps he should telll the parole board to get fucked too. And you will be supporting him all the way huh bomber?

Oh. My. God. Are you really this dumb? Bailey was 12 years old – how old was McNamara when he was a look out for a gang rape – that you are trying to compare the two actions astounds me.

NEXT...
Kuariki will not tell the parole board to get fucked, because he will need them on his side next time he is imprisoned, and this "person" will definately be going back to prison one day.
And there’s the crux – how does 6 years inside effect a child?

NEXT...
Reading your post, it comes across as you find Kuariki guilty of nothing.
The old couple (who didn't open their door) come across as more culpable in your eyes that Kuariki.

He was a dumb kid, the people who didn’t open their door certainly had more choices than he did.

Pathetic post bomber.
Honestly this is a pathetic post anonymous, you don’t really know what you are talking about but want to get all angry at me for challenging you on the facts and then you end your post with ‘pathetic post bomber’.

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an intrinsically racist ‘justice’ system
Care to back that up with any facts, hell anything other than your usual 'poor maaaaaaaaaaaori' nonsense? Let's see, you touched on all your favourite rant words this morning - talkback, rednecks, Kiwi Blogh, calling for the death penalty, garden variety bigotry, deep within many white conservative NZers, Don Brash, ‘Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaori get too much - feel better now that you have suitably labled the people really responsible for these sort of tragedies?

Here we have a person making mockery of brown youth gangs with their name ‘Killer beez knees’ challenging me on the intrinsically racist nature of the justice system – we are truly a post irony culture. Killer then goes on some ramble about me touching on all the same buttons I punch to wind people like Killer up, I think there is ample evidence that our prisons are pretty racist, and the perception that if you are brown you go down longer, and the higher representation of brown people in prison, overseas there are plenty of facts backing up intrinsic racisim within white dominated systems of power, but apparently according to Killer, NZ is the only place this doesn’t happen. I feel a tui billboard coming on – yeah right.

Choy then crawled out of his car, banged on the door of an old couple (who didn’t answer the door) Firstly - and someone has told you this before - have some fucking respect: the man's name was Michael, you don't get to dismissively call him Choy like he was a random bystander. It's all very well sticking up for Bailey Junior Kurariki, just try and spare a bit more thought for the poor guy who lost his life.
Sorry, what is your point? I don’t call Michael by his first name? That’s your point? Great - next,

Secondly, the old couple didn't answer the door. Wow. Are you really surprised given the sort of things that were occurring in the street? Why even mention this fact, unless you are trying to tell us that the old couple was somehow partially responsible for Michael Choy's death because they could have saved him if they'd just opened the door and all this mess could have been avoided? But you wouldn't be suggesting that now, right?
I’m suggesting they should have called the Police and he may not have died.

a kid who has been inside prison for 6 years, how that effects adults is well documented, how it would effect a kid is unknown... Well apparently the he has found God and has turned his life around for the better - something he was never likely to do living with his booze-addled shitbag mother in a place like Papakura .
Your optimism touches me.

If you'd bother to listen to people rather than just assuming you know what their opininons are,
I listened to talkback and read their letters to the editor

you would find that most people were were pissed off with with the parents of the kids responsible for Michael Choy's death. Why weren't they held responsible for their children being out at all hours running amok? How many of these kids were known to CYFS? Why aren't these people being made to provide these necessities of life for their kids the way we bigoted rednecks do, instead of pissing all their money away at the pub like they do.
Ahhh – I’m picking up a certain amount of aggression because some of your opinions have been challenged – you are right about responsibility – I remember writing at the time, before we demand responsibility from a 12year old, what about his awful mother who seemed to have lost complete control of her kids, but as we blame her, where was his Dad and other Family, the Mother was clearly out of her depth where the hell were the other family members, and while we blame them what the hell was CYFs doing? They are supposed to catch the kids who fall through the cracks, why weren’t they doing their job, oh but before we crucify them, let’s remind ourselves how underfunded and understaffed their department is and trace that back to the years of underfunding and an electorate more focused on getting a tax cut that caan buy a couple of extra combos at McDonalds than go into a creaking social infrastructure on the verge of collapse. I don’t mind blaming a 12 year old, I just want to make sure we spread that blame all around.

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Yes he was "only" the lookout and that is why his two mates who held the bat and did the planning aren't even up for parole for another 3 years. Their parts in the murder were that much more serious. Seven years is the bottom end for this type of crime. And he would have been out sooner if he could have refrained from beating on his fellow inmates.
And yet white raping cops get such an easy ride – funny that isn’t it – 12 year old kid playing look at on a bungled buglary gets 6 years inside, gang banging rapist cop gets what is it, 2 and a half and he’s up for parole?

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'Justice' really worked for the Choy family - about time they stopped whining and got over it.
Ummm – those are your words not mine.

He was only a retarded Asian and he only got hit ONCE, can't see what all the fuss is about.
Ummm – again these are your words not mine

These wonderful NZ'ers should have got a trip to the beach for getting rid of him.
Ummm – again, for a third time in a row, these are your words, not mine

Is Bailey going to be mentored by you Bomber, you can teach him how to tell everyone to get FUCKED. He can become another sophisticated, considerate, compassionate, intelligent, charming NZ blokey – just like you.
I’ve never met the kid, I understand he has some very supportive folk trying to help him through his 6 years inside, it’s pretty hard for an adult IMAGINE how it effects children.

he can only benefit from your love, guidance and support.
Well that’s very kind of you.

Please let us know how you (and he) get on – or will you be to busy at your ‘meetings’ to ever meet him, probably a good idea, I have a feeling he looks better from a safe distance, if you ever met any of this people you purport to love and care about it might burst your bubble.
Yawn.

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Bomber wouldnt, couldnt even meet with them. He is a scared shitless wanker who hides behind his own bigotry and his pathetic TV channel(ALT),
Woah – easy there tiger, if I was offered a chance to meet Bailey I’d love to, yet you claim I wouldn’t and couldn’t – you start with a lie and then go onto Alt Tv – we are the first TV station in the country to stream on line now, hardly pathetic.

just like he tried on Campus where he was litterally chucked out for his pathetic views.
??????Um, I graduated from campus, and was elected Editor twice, hardly ‘literaly’ thrown off campus – why lie to make up your posts?

The Choy family should take this wanna be aside and show him the graphic details of what there son, (Yes bomber there son which you quite obviously cannt have) went through.
I’m sure the details of any death are graphic, it doesn’t dismiss my concerns that the sentence was a farce.

I am sure that if you bevoted your time to a better society than you have here it could all turn out positive.
Oh Bomber doesnt have a bubble he is one.

Sorry – what’s bevoted mean?

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It’s so easy to criticise everything and everyone from a safe/comfortable distance.
This is a blog, that’s what people do on blogs.

But, as Bomber tells us at every opportunity, his life is full of 'good works' he is on lots of charity boards. All that coffee, biscuits and chitty chat makes the world a much better place I’m sure.
Oh it’s this clown, every time this person challenges me on what I do for the general good, I provide a list and then get attacked because the poster doesn’t believe any of the things I do qualify – it’s hilarious and always ends up with some sort of ‘why don’t you go live there’ argument that is eye rolling, hold on, he’s going to do it look…

If he likes South Auckland so much go and live there, the presence of such a superior specimen can only be a good things surely. Of course big mouth cowards might find they won’t like it too much. One things about criminals and ‘the poor’ is they can spot a fake from a long way off, the dopey ones they use, the arrogant know it alls might get more than they bargained for.

…told you. But then this angry ex-screw always has some interesting things to say about prison life, so I excuse the chips on the shoulder they seem to have about education.

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I think Kurariki should have taken your advice and told the parole board to get fucked. That would have kept him inside for another year for the betterment of society.
He only had 4 months left, the Parole Board HAD to let him out so they could have the pretense of control.
NEXT...
This is perhaps Bombers worst and most poorly written rant ever.
Not even close, I’ve written much less coherent posts than this one.

I wonder if the victim wasn't asian if Bomber would feel the same way, dismissing his life as a mere inconvience that got in the way of a few poor kids just out for a pizza.
How fucking dare you, the other crap that has been posted doesn’t bug me, but to post what you have said here as a gutless anonymous poster is sick and with no honour.

Kurakiki was part of a group who killed a man, destroying that mans family forever. To minimize what they did as Bomber has simply goes to show how callous he is.
You wanker – you’ve just accused me of not careing because the person was Asian – and you accuse me of being callous – I have challenged the case because it was a gross knee jerk reaction – for you to twist that to me being racist is so dishonest it explains why you are posting anonymously.

Had Kurakiki been given a quick scolding by a judge and sent on his way without any punishment where do you think he would be now given the way his life was going?
You have no understanding of the system then do you – he would have finally received the kind of guardianship imposed by the state, which had prior to this simply bumped him from one department to another. Your point is ridiculous.

Invariably given his character and the environment he was in he would have committed more crimes and created even more victims.
Right – I’m racist and this person is now a clairvoyant.

And he wasn't held in side for so long because of his race or the publics opinion, it was because of his behaviour, his lack of remorse and the violence he inflicted on other inmates. Really Bomber do some research before you go on one of your dumbarse talkback style rants
Oh this coming from a person who just accused me of racism is rich – let me spell it out – HE WAS KEPT INSIDE FOR THE VERY REASONS I’VE POINTED OUT – his lack of remorse and behaviour was the behaviour of A CHILD – which is what he is. To have you lecture me on research when you consider the points you’ve written is a joke.

The funny thing is, and something that Bomber clearly can't grasp is that Kurakiki's time inside actually seems to have worked and if those around him are to believed he now has a chance at living a normal productive life, rather than the life of crime he was heading down.
This is the last laugh, yep Prison works great for adults, he’ll be a dream case. Your optimism borders on the clinical, and that’s beyond my talents.

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If you knew more of the facts you would change your mind. An immediate family relative who had dealings with this kid through school said he was the most evil 12yo he had ever come accross. This person doesn't judge easy and is normally the person trying to give the person another chance. Supposedly he was boasting about what they had done. Some times you lose the plot.
So he acted like a child Jeff? Wow a 12 year old acting like a child, quick call the papers and get them to stop the presses, this needs to be front page information Jeff.

NEXT...
Nice try Tim. They wanted a pizza and their plan was to use force to get it. So "only" ag-rob at this point. Just the kind of shit you got up to as a kid I'm sure...
Unfortunately it was also proved that they were reckless with regard to the force they used and Michael died. And that my friend is murder.

Yes but he was found guilty of manslaughter – not murder.

Oh and I haven't listened to ZB for at least 15 years and that was only for their cancellations. But congratulations on revealing another of your knee jerk prejudices.
Sigh – you can take the person away from ZB, but you can’t get the ZB out of the person.

 
At 6/5/08 4:45 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

I'm no fan of Tim and Bomber.
And yet you have to admit it was manslaughter not murder

Mr Anonymous' post that starts "It’s so easy to criticise everything and everyone from a safe/comfortable distance." was excellent, that sentence alone shows up the crux of the matter - they have a lot criticisms but don't even pretend to offer solutions or anything constructive. They are as sensationalist as the talkback stations they claim to hate.
That's a blog Ghost, get used to it - and we are very different from Talkback hosts, a talkback host can select who goes on air and can cut you off - you get to post here (as long as it's not personally offensive) - that is the joys of a blog.

But hey, this their blog so they are fully entitled to say whatever they like. The reader should just take everything they read here with a little pinch of salt.
Exacatly, what we've always said.

Go back to ogling the naked news lady Bomber. Progressive? Yeah right.
Pfft - have you seen the naked news yet have you? Funny, it's first show doesn't start till Monday - I may comment on things from a far, but I don't review things I haven't seen yet, I leave that to high horse ghosts

The Ghost of Big Trev

How is that ghost of big trev - dead yet? Wasn't really able to keep up blogging daily was he?

 
At 6/5/08 4:51 pm, Blogger camelfat said...

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At 6/5/08 4:58 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If it was their intent to kill him, why did they only hit him once in the head and walk him back to his car?"

You could ask that question bomber but the jury found it sufficient reason to convict on the facts.

I would say if they hadn't intended to kill or seriously injure Michael Choy then they could have kicked him in balls or somewhere non life threatening. Instead they went for the head and given that there was a group against one man then the assault was initself gratiotous and indicated intention beyond robbery.
But hey I'm only aruging the facts here not some bullshit deterministic sociology theory.

 
At 6/5/08 4:59 pm, Blogger camelfat said...

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At 6/5/08 5:08 pm, Blogger camelfat said...

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At 6/5/08 5:12 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Time will tell whether he takes his second chance or become a criminal mastermind."

Prison never did Tim any good since he's still spewing out the same rubbish.

Maybe the problem was that he was sent to prison but that that sentence wasn't long enough.

 
At 6/5/08 5:22 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here we have a person making mockery of brown youth gangs with their name ‘Killer beez knees’

Aw the poor wwee dears, some guy on the interweb is mocking their name, diddums as HC would say. A look at the herald today would tell you that they have bigger things to be worrying about.

It's funny how you are forever bitching about anonymous posters and then when I use a distinctive handle, it's not good enough, too post modern or ironic or whatever - you're a hard lady to please Bomber - get the fuck over it.


I think there is ample evidence that our prisons are pretty racist,

Let's see it then...

and the perception that if you are brown you go down longer,

Who's perception? Yours? Not really evidence then is it Bomber


and the higher representation of brown people in prison,

More brown people in prison is due to the fact that they proportionately commit more crime - are you suggesting that we keep more brown offenders out of jail just to even up the numbers? Come to that are you suggesting that if Bailey Junior Kurariki was a pakeha that he wouldn't have gone to jail? If that is what you are suggesting then I like to see the evidence that makes you so damn certain. If that isn't what you are suggesting, then why even bring race into the discussion?


... overseas there are plenty of facts backing up intrinsic racisim within white dominated systems of power, but apparently according to Killer, NZ is the only place this doesn’t happen

Riiiiight, overseas prisons are racist therefore the NZ prison system MUST be racist too, that's some really watertight proof you've got there.



Sorry, what is your point? I don’t call Michael by his first name? That’s your point? Great - next,

No, my point was clear:
You dismissively call him Choy like he was a random bystander. You apologised for it last time someone pointed this out to you, obviously you are feeling a bit more belligerent today because everyone's picking on you. You seem to have an awful lot of sympathy for Bailey Junior Kurariki, you would find people are a bit more willing to listen if you showed a bit more respect for the actual victim and his family here.


I’m suggesting they should have called the Police and he may not have died. Is that what you are suggesting? Because when you said "banged on the door of an old couple (who didn’t answer the door) and he died" it sure didn't sound like it.

We'll never know if a phone call would have been enough to save him or if he would have survived only to have a life of disability due to his injury but if he hadn't been hit over the head with a baseball bat in the first place we can be 100% he wouldn't have died.

Incidentally: your new found faith in the police to attend a possible crime at night in Papakura is touches me. If you lived in the area, as I do you, might not be so confident that a night time call to the police about someone banging on the front door would have resulted in a visit from the cops in anything under 24 hours.

 
At 6/5/08 5:26 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I note a Maori cop (Rickard) got away with rape as well. Not sure how that collates with your obsession over the racist system. By the way Bomber, you have been absolutely bitch slapped by all teh comments today so it's probably best if you leave this one alone and go dribble on about capitalism or wankers popping balloons.

 
At 6/5/08 6:10 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My opinion is that this little mongrel should have been shot.
I can do it, I can do the job myself.
Cost equals $AUD 12000. Also I will
burn corpse afterward included in cost and scatter ash wher Mother say.
go to my site and get tough

http://peterquixote.blogspot.com/

 
At 6/5/08 6:46 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"He was a dumb kid, the people who didn’t open their door certainly had more choices than he did."

Unfuckingbelievable.

Two old people, scared of the violence outside their house, are more culpable than the person who was involved in the violence.

You really are a nasty piece of work Martin.

 
At 6/5/08 6:52 pm, Blogger Barnsley Bill said...

Your attempts to link the Peter Ellis case with Michael Choi's death is a new low for you Bomber.
One. Peter Ellis did nothing wrong (unless being a homosexual pre school teacher with a chronically bad dress sense is a crime).
Two. Michael Choy is dead.
Now I happen to agree that the punishment dished out to the little twat was harsh. (Where are the rest of his gang now?)
But your post is so far over the top I am seriously worried about the state of your undies after you wrote it.
Get some perspective and read something other than "left wing vitriol for dummies".
And Tim, give it up mate, defending your mate on this topic is a lost cause and a poorly chosen one too.

This post may help your Nielsen's but it has lowered your brand value immeasurably.
And bomber, some advice I offered to another self hating whitey onanist tonight.
GO AND THROW YOURSELF AGAINST A WALL UNTIL YOU ARE A LITTLE LESS RUBBISH.

 
At 6/5/08 7:56 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

‘….Kurariki (and probably some of the others too) need some close personal mentoring - not prison…..’ a perfect role for Bomber.

As for bombers ‘good works’ he doesn’t’ understand the difference between people who act and people who talk, there will be a job in government for him somewhere.

e.g. Fred Hollows acted on the front line – that is good achievements. His actions and achievements did the talking for him.

When challenged either ‘delete’ or sink to abuse, anger, obscenity, misrepresentation ….. what’s the word ….. obtuse perhaps.

 
At 6/5/08 8:27 pm, Blogger Tim Selwyn said...

OK, Anon 7:56, when you bust the cops and the Minister of Police for allowing underage hookers on the streets of South Auckland and confront their punters on the streets of South Auckland, and when you when you bust men selling child pornography - resulting in a successful prosecution - and when you draw public attention to animal cruelty and the system which permits it, and when you investigate rest homes for abusing the elderly and expose that then maybe you can comment; because Mr Bradbury has done all of those things and more. "The difference between people who act and people who talk" - I've just given examples of his actions. What's yours?

 
At 6/5/08 8:33 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, you mean "Stakeout". How much did he get paid for fronting that poor man's Fair Go? Or did he do it pro bono?

 
At 7/5/08 1:57 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's strange how Bomber conviently ignores Rawiri's statement in which he says that the plan - "was to hit him, take the food, take the car and possibly put the body in the car with us"

You can guarantee though if the victim was a poor Maori delivery person and the perpetrators a group of white offenders Bomber would be baying for blood. Kinda similar to how he states Parole is a privelage when the offenders are White cops but apparently a right when the offender is brown and kills someone and then assaults people whilst imprisoned.

Your sheer hypocrisy wouldn't be quite so irritating Bomber if it wasn't based on such pathetic ignorance when you can't even be bothered to do the barest researching about something before you engage rant mode.

And Tim who stole the identities of dead babies to make a few greedy dollars traumatising the parents all over again, well we all know your actions and character, probably best not to preach eh?

 
At 7/5/08 8:47 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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Anonymous said...
"If it was their intent to kill him, why did they only hit him once in the head and walk him back to his car?"

You could ask that question bomber but the jury found it sufficient reason to convict on the facts.

I would say if they hadn't intended to kill or seriously injure Michael Choy then they could have kicked him in balls or somewhere non life threatening. Instead they went for the head and given that there was a group against one man then the assault was initself gratiotous and indicated intention beyond robbery.
But hey I'm only aruging the facts here not some bullshit deterministic sociology theory.


And that is what we are debating - I am saying that the verdict was stupid, that when you look at the facts you see we were caught up in this shrill 'NZ s YOUNGEST KILLER' bullshit and that had more to do with his sentence.

NEXT...
Oh Big Trev - it actually is you - not just someone envoking your name - and why the fuck would I allow someone who set up a parasite blog to this one and who said a lot of offensive stuff, why the hell should I let you post here?

NEXT...
Maybe the problem was that he was sent to prison but that that sentence wasn't long enough.
Oh my god, see even when someone knows how bad prisons are and we all agree that all they do is exacurbate the problem, here we are with someone demanding more time inside - unbelivable.

NEXT...
This young Maori criminal should be hanged without mercy.
You guys just keep handin me your rope don't cha? Yep, that's the voice of reason isn't it folks, I keep telling you that there is a garden bigotry out there, keep posting avenger.

Oh I'm excited about this next one folks, Killa Beez in the hooooooouse - let's hear redneck from a brown pretense!!!!!
NEXT...

Killer Beez Kneez said...
Here we have a person making mockery of brown youth gangs with their name ‘Killer beez knees’

Aw the poor wwee dears, some guy on the interweb is mocking their name, diddums as HC would say. A look at the herald today would tell you that they have bigger things to be worrying about.

Ummm, no, you missed the irony of the irony - are you a cop by any chance?

It's funny how you are forever bitching about anonymous posters and then when I use a distinctive handle, it's not good enough, too post modern or ironic or whatever - you're a hard lady to please Bomber - get the fuck over it.
Hmmm, note the sudden at being challenged, yes, I think Killer is a cop folks.

I think there is ample evidence that our prisons are pretty racist,
Let's see it then...

Well Killer, I've posted well over 50 blogs here on Prison corruption and whitewash corrections reports and Prison Guards who have left the country complaining about the corrupt racist nature, just search on the Tuymeke site and you'll find plenty, can't do all the work for you Killer, I'm a very busy media chap, I appreciate you have a lot of work on as a cop, but stop looking up ex girlfriends on the Police computer and rumage around this site.

and the perception that if you are brown you go down longer,

Who's perception? Yours? Not really evidence then is it Bomber

Check the rates of imprisonment, pretty clear there killa.

and the higher representation of brown people in prison,

More brown people in prison is due to the fact that they proportionately commit more crime - are you suggesting that we keep more brown offenders out of jail just to even up the numbers?

This is the exact same arguements the London Police and the LAPD use as well killa.

Come to that are you suggesting that if Bailey Junior Kurariki was a pakeha that he wouldn't have gone to jail?
Yes he would not have gone down so hard, yes I believe that.

If that is what you are suggesting then I like to see the evidence that makes you so damn certain. If that isn't what you are suggesting, then why even bring race into the discussion?
That is what I am suggesting

... overseas there are plenty of facts backing up intrinsic racisim within white dominated systems of power, but apparently according to Killer, NZ is the only place this doesn’t happen

Riiiiight, overseas prisons are racist therefore the NZ prison system MUST be racist too, that's some really watertight proof you've got there.

Saying Riiiiiiight doesn't devalue the fact that white systems of power have a history of racism and little being done in the Police Force today suggests otherwise.

Sorry, what is your point? I don’t call Michael by his first name? That’s your point? Great - next,

No, my point was clear:
You dismissively call him Choy like he was a random bystander. You apologised for it last time someone pointed this out to you, obviously you are feeling a bit more belligerent today because everyone's picking on you.

Not at all Princess, I've just decided that points like that are pretty petty in the debate we are having, funny you can remember the last discussion we had on this issue, and not any of the prison blogs I've written, very conveniant for you.

You seem to have an awful lot of sympathy for Bailey Junior Kurariki, you would find people are a bit more willing to listen if you showed a bit more respect for the actual victim and his family here.
Riiiiight - so you aren't disagreeing with my point, you just don't like the way I'm telling it to you, what were your words Killa - 'get the fuck over it' Truth is Truth and the harder it is for those who were wrong to wake up, so be it - I'm not here to play patty cake, I write to challenge your media drenched perception of what you think you know.

NEXT....
I note a Maori cop (Rickard) got away with rape as well. Not sure how that collates with your obsession over the racist system. By the way Bomber, you have been absolutely bitch slapped by all teh comments today so it's probably best if you leave this one alone and go dribble on about capitalism or wankers popping balloons.
Not at all, Anon, I welcome the debate, all water off a ducks back here buddy, I love watching the fact that so few of you are actually able to debate the point, and instead fall back on name calling and telling me I've lost the debate rather than actually able to explain why a 12 yera old child would go down for 6 years inside a corrupt, racist and violent prison system we know only exacurabtes bad behaviour rather than reforms for his part as a look out in a bungled buglary where the idiot kid hit Michael Choy once in the head and then led him off to his car (hardly premeditated murder as many have tried to claim here) compared to a white cop looking at parole for his role in a pack rape after only 2 and a half years.

NEXT...
"Two old people, scared of the violence outside their house, are more culpable than the person who was involved in the violence.
Dumb 12 year old gets involved in a stupid buglary that goes horribly wrong compared to Two old frightened people who could have simply called 111 - how is comparing their actions suddenly make me, how do you delightfully put it...
You really are a nasty piece of work Martin.
Hey, come on, only my friends call me Martyn. It's Mr Bomber to you.

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Barnsley Bill said...
Your attempts to link the Peter Ellis case with Michael Choi's death is a new low for you Bomber.
One. Peter Ellis did nothing wrong (unless being a homosexual pre school teacher with a chronically bad dress sense is a crime).
Two. Michael Choy is dead.

Not at all, the same hysteria used in the Peter Ellis case was present in the Bailey case that is the comparison I am making.

Now I happen to agree that the punishment dished out to the little twat was harsh. (Where are the rest of his gang now?)
But your post is so far over the top I am seriously worried about the state of your undies after you wrote it.

I'm glad we agree that his punishment was harsh, and if my opinion offends you so much, please don't feel the need to read it, it's a free country.

Get some perspective and read something other than "left wing vitriol for dummies".
And Tim, give it up mate, defending your mate on this topic is a lost cause and a poorly chosen one too.

I think you miss the point that Tim and I agree on this case, it isn't an issue of him defending me, we both agree the case was a farce and that this debate never happened, which is why it seems so painful to those who were not aware of the basic facts of the case, because when you go through them you really see that the punishment handed out was immense.

This post may help your Nielsen's but it has lowered your brand value immeasurably.
And bomber, some advice I offered to another self hating whitey onanist tonight.
GO AND THROW YOURSELF AGAINST A WALL UNTIL YOU ARE A LITTLE LESS RUBBISH.

Sigh - I love V for Vendetta and whenever I see your post and your profile I am always hopeful that you will follow the characters traits, sadly it isn't.

NEXT...
As for bombers ‘good works’ he doesn’t’ understand the difference between people who act and people who talk, there will be a job in government for him somewhere.
Oh it's this guy again, yep you are right again Anon all the work I do is a waste how dare I comment etc etc

When challenged either ‘delete’ or sink to abuse, anger, obscenity, misrepresentation ….. what’s the word ….. obtuse perhaps.
Wow, Public service really makes you bitter doesn't it, taking into account your past posts, trying to claim the moral high ground for not misrepresentation is perhaps a lot funnier than you can see, and come on now, only personal nasty stuff is deleted as that has more of a place on kiwiblogh than it does here.

Oh, you mean "Stakeout". How much did he get paid for fronting that poor man's Fair Go? Or did he do it pro bono?
LOL - so how dare I get paid? HAHAHAHA - there's just no pleasing you is there girlfriend?

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t's strange how Bomber conviently ignores Rawiri's statement in which he says that the plan - "was to hit him, take the food, take the car and possibly put the body in the car with us"
Oh. My. God - that's all you have? That's your proof of murder is it cop? Doesn't it suggest that the person would be knocked out - tell me you have more evidence of Murder than this one line, it doesn't proove a damn thing!

You can guarantee though if the victim was a poor Maori delivery person and the perpetrators a group of white offenders Bomber would be baying for blood. Kinda similar to how he states Parole is a privelage when the offenders are White cops but apparently a right when the offender is brown and kills someone and then assaults people whilst imprisoned.
This is complete nonesense and you are misrepresenting the entire blog I wrote, but then again if your only 'proof' is that one line you posted above I suppose you will grasp at any old strawman arguement.

Your sheer hypocrisy wouldn't be quite so irritating Bomber if it wasn't based on such pathetic ignorance when you can't even be bothered to do the barest researching about something before you engage rant mode.
I'm glad I irritate you, I wake up with that as a goal everyday - the fact is that I am actually pointing out the facts of the case, your irritation seems to be because you are being forced to reconsider what you believe, and your above line where you think you have some sort of QED shows you are the one who has little understanding of the case, you really need more than that line to prove your case.

And Tim who stole the identities of dead babies to make a few greedy dollars traumatising the parents all over again, well we all know your actions and character, probably best not to preach eh?
And then like a cop you bring up Tim's past, Tim paid his debt to society he is free to move on, to write off his intellect for a stupid and crass fraud suggests you have the same blinkered cop view of the world where no one can redeem themselves.

I also do barmitzvahs and children's parties.

 
At 7/5/08 9:06 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"NEXT...
"Two old people, scared of the violence outside their house, are more culpable than the person who was involved in the violence.
Dumb 12 year old gets involved in a stupid buglary that goes horribly wrong compared to Two old frightened people who could have simply called 111 - how is comparing their actions suddenly make me, how do you delightfully put it...
You really are a nasty piece of work Martin.
Hey, come on, only my friends call me Martyn. It's Mr Bomber to you."

But you couldn't answer the question?
Which is why would a scared elderly couple be more culpable than the person committing the offence?

Btw, murder and rape are different charges, bringing different sentences, bringing different parole times.

Thats why Schollum and Shipton, and the ex-firefighter, Peter Macnamara, who was 19 at the time and was only a lookout so is innocent (using your logic), is up for parole now.

Or;

Are you saying that parole is too easy for rapists?
Are you saying parole is too easy for white men?
Are you saying parole is too easy for ex-police?

Or is it all three.

Your hatred of police (why is that?) blinds you to the facts.

"...suggests you have the same blinkered cop view of the world where no one can redeem themselves."

Again that blind hatred.
Why does a middle class white boy have as much hatred for the police as a hardened criminal?

 
At 7/5/08 9:51 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 7/5/08 11:05 am, Blogger Bomber said...

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But you couldn't answer the question?
Which is why would a scared elderly couple be more culpable than the person committing the offence?

I have answered the question, I'm not saying they are more culpable, I'm saying they should hbave done something - you are trying to put those words in my mouth and then damn me for using your words.

Btw, murder and rape are different charges, bringing different sentences, bringing different parole times.
And for what must be the 10th time now, Bailey wasn't convicted of murder.

Thats why Schollum and Shipton, and the ex-firefighter, Peter Macnamara, who was 19 at the time and was only a lookout so is innocent (using your logic), is up for parole now.
Agin there is a world of difference between a 12 year old bungled robbery and a 19 year old watching out for a gang rape - a huge difference.

Or;

Are you saying that parole is too easy for rapists?
Are you saying parole is too easy for white men?
Are you saying parole is too easy for ex-police?

Or is it all three.

Im saying parole should be earnt not given automaticly.

Your hatred of police (why is that?) blinds you to the facts.

"...suggests you have the same blinkered cop view of the world where no one can redeem themselves."

Again that blind hatred.
Why does a middle class white boy have as much hatred for the police as a hardened criminal?

LOL - the blind hatred arguement is so tired, I'm not anti-police, I like living in a democracy and not a police state and believe one always has to keep the desires of the Polioce for more powers kept in check. Always have and always will.

NEXT....
I want to be very clear about why I deleted Killer Beez Kneez last post- he claimed that I beat my girlfriend up - that is a disgusting smear on my character that is not only an out right lie, but one I will refuse to allow posted on my site - I have NEVER raised a hand to any girl I have ever dated or had a relationship with, I hate violence against women and will not allow an outright lie posted by some anonymous poster on my site - who the hell are you to post such slander - I refuse to allow that post to stand as it is. You can repost it minus the slander, how dare you!

 
At 7/5/08 11:50 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol Bo ber.

I'll let Killer explain.

Killer do repost it, it was a great comment that cut Bo ber off at the knees.

He is using his sensitivity as a mask cause you just pwned him big time.

 
At 7/5/08 11:56 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And Tim who stole the identities of dead babies to make a few greedy dollars traumatising the parents all over again, well we all know your actions and character, probably best not to preach eh?"

WTF Seriously? I totally missed this. Did he apologise to the parents of the dead babies whose names he stole?

The one thing that Tim and Baily should both have done if they were genuine in their contrition was to offer an apology. It's all well and good to say you've paid your price to society but have you paid for the hurt you have visited upon innocent people.

 
At 7/5/08 12:07 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 7/5/08 12:32 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

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Legio X said...
Lol Bo ber.

I'll let Killer explain.

Killer do repost it, it was a great comment that cut Bo ber off at the knees.

He is using his sensitivity as a mask cause you just pwned him big time.


Not at all - I have no problem debating the idea, and I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, what I won't up with is something that is a complete slanderous lie posted on my site, I won't put up with that kind of dishonourable way of debating issues. Which I note you did right away again Killer Beez, instead of manning up and saying, "Yep, I went over the top there and I lied and posted a complete smear on you, I take that, it was the heat of the debate etc etc, but let's get back to the debate.... I'm not going to seriously continue discussing something with you after you have posted something like that, so I'm deleting it again - if you would like to continue the discussion remove what you are trying to insinuate.

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Anonymous said...
Bomber,I do belive the word 'owned' applies to you right now!

Um - how? I don't mind that you disagree with my opinion, or that you think I'm an idiot for expressing my opinion or that you want to challenge the assumptions I make in voicing such an opinion - that's what a blog is for, it's a virtual pub debate where we argue about things. But there are basics, and I won't publish an outright lie that someone insinuates with me doing something I am very opposed to, that's just so disrespectful what's the point in continuing the debate? That you would take such joy from a slanderous lie says more about you than my reaction.

if you want to be contraversal say 'fuck the ANZAC's' too, it might make people hate you just that little bit more! im sure you get off on getting hated!
Eeek, this has been pending since the ANZAC Day show hu? Feel better - I'm not hateful towrads ANZACs I question the blind loyalty and ask if we should be remembering something else like the reminder that we shouldn't send our kids to pointless wars, how you manage to twist that into Fuck the ANZACs seems to be the exact blind flag loyalty I was talking about.






















Oh the irony.

 
At 7/5/08 12:41 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Bober

Here's a fantastic example of you would want the justice system to work for young maori offenders.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10508467

What's a little kiddie fiddling eh?

 
At 7/5/08 12:53 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is complete nonsense. bomber is too busy protesting these kinda things, as seen in the picture below.

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At 7/5/08 12:55 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a bit rich of you to get all faux precious about it when you just finished accusing me of being a cop misusing the police computer to look up ex girlfriends (how dare you!), not to mention all the "redneck, bigot" smearing you do.

If what I said was smearing, then so to is what you do. I'll apologise when you do.

So back to my post:

Ummm, no, you missed the irony of the irony - are you a cop by any chance?
You are the only one who cares about this, do you want to discuss the issue or witter on pointlessly about peoples nom de plumes?


Hmmm, note the sudden at being challenged, yes, I think Killer is a cop folks.

Nope Bomber, not a cop just a civilian like you but if it calling me a cop makes you feel like you are on more solid ground, you keep clinging to that little morsel.


Well Killer, I've posted well over 50 blogs here on Prison corruption and whitewash corrections reports and Prison Guards who have left the country complaining about the corrupt racist nature,

I have read your blogs, plenty of evidence for corruption and whitewashes sure, but where is this evidence of racism? If you have evidence that brown people in NZ will be sentenced for longer for the same crime than Asian or Pakeha, lets see your proof.
If you have evidence that brown people are treated worse while in prison in NZ, then lets see your proof - you made the claims, back them up.


and the perception that if you are brown you go down longer,

and

Check the rates of imprisonment, pretty clear there killa.

Hang on Bomber which one are you talking about: prison sentence lengths for brown people in NZ or numbers of brown people in NZ proportional to non-brown people? They are two seperate issues.
If you are saying that brown people are sentenced for longer - show us the proof of this claim. If its the proportionately high numbers of brown people in prison it's due to the fact that they proportionately commit more crime.

This is the exact same arguements the London Police and the LAPD use as well killa.

And? What has that got to do with anything? you have yet too show us any thing that disproves the reason there are more brown people in jail here is because they commit more crime, throwing in a mention of the LAPD hardly strengthens your non argument.


Yes he would not have gone down so hard, yes I believe that.

And what are you basing this on?



Riiiiight - so you aren't disagreeing with my point, you just don't like the way I'm telling it to you

No, I AM disagreeing with you, what I'm saying is that if weren't such an obnoxious wanker about things then you would get more reasoned debate and less vitriol. And you wouldn't have to take soooo much time out of your busy 'media man' schedule to defend yourself.

But I'm begining to think that that's exactly what you want. You start a debate and right off the bat you call anyone who might disagree with you a redneck, rightwing, bigot. So when people inevitably disagree with you its all 'SEE!!! you're only disagreeing with me cause you're racists!!'. And the whole exercise just serves to make you look like a petulant plonker.

Tim is far more reasonable, far slower to resort to name calling, thus he gets far less grief. And for the record it annoys me when people bring up Tim's time in jail - it has nothing to do with this debate there is argument enough against Bomber's drivel, leave it out people.


I also note that you ignored this bit in my last post:

We'll never know if a phone call would have been enough to save him or if he would have survived only to have a life of disability due to his injury but if he hadn't been hit over the head with a baseball bat in the first place we can be 100% he wouldn't have died.

Incidentally: your new found faith in the police to attend a possible crime at night in Papakura is touches me. If you lived in the area, as I do you, might not be so confident that a night time call to the police about someone banging on the front door would have resulted in a visit from the cops in anything under 24 hours.

Nothing clever to say to that? just some moral equivalence about how a frightened older couple should be taking some responsibility for Michael Choy's death because 'they could have done something' while Baily shouldn't because he's a helpless 12 year old.

 
At 7/5/08 12:59 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So now Bomber calls anyone who disagrees with him a cop?

If you can't argue the point attack the person eh Bomber, I guess thats all you have left.

And please just post the links that show our Justice system is intrinsically racist as you constantly spout. I'm sure you must have some really solid conclusive evidence to support that.

 
At 7/5/08 4:26 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

...
Here's a fantastic example of you would want the justice system to work for young maori offenders.
Explain?

That is complete nonsense. bomber is too busy protesting these kinda things, as seen in the picture below.
Oh God, have we really fallen to fat jokes level have we anon? What's next, I know you are, you said you are but what am I?

NEXT...
Killer Beez Kneez said...
Its a bit rich of you to get all faux precious about it when you just finished accusing me of being a cop misusing the police computer to look up ex girlfriends (how dare you!), not to mention all the "redneck, bigot" smearing you do.

What? You accussed me of beating my girlfriend, something I abhor and something that is deeply offensive, You are not an identified person so the apparent 'deep cuts' my comments made about you being the kinda person who is a cop who would spy on their girlfriend, redneck or not doesn't even compare to you slandering me in such a fashion, and then having the gall to repeat the claim and still expect me to discuss the issue any further - that you claim my response is faux precious is also offensive, again how dare you.

If what I said was smearing, then so to is what you do. I'll apologise when you do.
No - for all the reasons I've just explained, you are the one who needs to apologise, as I'll use it in every post back at you now, you're the kind of person who would make up a slanderous lie about someone and post it, not once but twice. That sticks, if that's the way you debate... let's go through the rest of your post with that in mind.

So back to my post:

Ummm, no, you missed the irony of the irony - are you a cop by any chance?
You are the only one who cares about this, do you want to discuss the issue or witter on pointlessly about peoples nom de plumes?

I just thought it was funny that someone who has chosen a mock of a youth gang as a name should then be wagging their finger at me for attacking rednecks.

Hmmm, note the sudden at being challenged, yes, I think Killer is a cop folks.
Nope Bomber, not a cop just a civilian like you but if it calling me a cop makes you feel like you are on more solid ground, you keep clinging to that little morsel.

I was just razzing you Killer, I don't mind a bit of push and shove, and I don't mind noting the same tone as the voice of authority in your posts, what I wouldn't do of course is name your identity through your email account and claim to everyone that you are a domesticly violent person, I wouldn't do that, because that's pretty low.

Well Killer, I've posted well over 50 blogs here on Prison corruption and whitewash corrections reports and Prison Guards who have left the country complaining about the corrupt racist nature,

I have read your blogs, plenty of evidence for corruption and whitewashes sure, but where is this evidence of racism? If you have evidence that brown people in NZ will be sentenced for longer for the same crime than Asian or Pakeha, lets see your proof.

The two prison guards who came to NZ and who left claiming that our prisons were racist, violoent and corrupt, yep, I think those two might have a good idea, I'll add that to the documented whitewashes, violence and corruption and make a bit of a meal of it shall I?

If you have evidence that brown people are treated worse while in prison in NZ, then lets see your proof - you made the claims, back them up.
Simple, ask them, did you know the reason the majority of brown people don't bother to appeal or report abuse is because they don't believe they will be treated fairly, how about you listen to their experiences before you write off my opinion, of course then again, you kinda don't mind creating lies about people over pretty serious issues though do you, so perhaps these small issues like listening to the people effected doesn't counnt for much with you hu Killa? You certainly are living up to the name, perhaps you have a little more in common with those thugs than just the mock name huh?


and the perception that if you are brown you go down longer,

and

Check the rates of imprisonment, pretty clear there killa.

Hang on Bomber which one are you talking about: prison sentence lengths for brown people in NZ or numbers of brown people in NZ proportional to non-brown people? They are two seperate issues.
If you are saying that brown people are sentenced for longer - show us the proof of this claim. If its the proportionately high numbers of brown people in prison it's due to the fact that they proportionately commit more crime.

Again, ask them, the reason why they don't appeal or report complaint, the report suggests they don't believe in the system, their perception is what drives their reality, as for where is my proof that brown people get a worse deal, that's what this entire blog has been about, why did a 12 year old boy get 6 years when you consider the facts of the case minus the hype of the media.

This is the exact same arguements the London Police and the LAPD use as well killa.
And? What has that got to do with anything? you have yet too show us any thing that disproves the reason there are more brown people in jail here is because they commit more crime, throwing in a mention of the LAPD hardly strengthens your non argument.

I'm saying Killer that there is a history of white power structures in the West having an intrinsicly racist system in place and that there is little to suggest that NZ is suddenly immune from that.

Yes he would not have gone down so hard, yes I believe that.

And what are you basing this on?

That he was 12 years old and got 6 years for a lookout in a bungled buglary and the fact they only hit him olnce in the head and escorted him back to his car suggests they were stupid children rather than premeditated criminal masterminds, and I bring up the fact that so many here mistakenly claimed he was sentenced for murder puts proof to my claim that the media hysteria that touched that deep rooted garden variety bigotry that got turned on by Maaaaaaaaori get too much and compare the rapist cop and the fact he's looking to get out at 2 and a half years suggests to me that Bailey got hit by something bigger.

Riiiiight - so you aren't disagreeing with my point, you just don't like the way I'm telling it to you

No, I AM disagreeing with you, what I'm saying is that if weren't such an obnoxious wanker about things then you would get more reasoned debate and less vitriol.

So you have personalised this, you aren't even pretending to stick to the debate, thus the slanderous lie you pulled earlier? How is this acceptable - you aren't debating an issue any longer, you're just fighting with me and trying to throw dispicable claims around, and all of this is dressed up with a couple of questions to go through the pretense of a debate?

And you wouldn't have to take soooo much time out of your busy 'media man' schedule to defend yourself.
Hey, I love making time for people like you, people who pretend to be on a very high horse but is the first to make slanderous claims, it's like a bi-polar blogging.

But I'm begining to think that that's exactly what you want. You start a debate and right off the bat you call anyone who might disagree with you a redneck, rightwing, bigot. So when people inevitably disagree with you its all 'SEE!!! you're only disagreeing with me cause you're racists!!'. And the whole exercise just serves to make you look like a petulant plonker.
Ummm, no, I post my opinions and call it the way I see it, I don't mind if you disagree with my opinions, I don't mind of you think I'm an idiot for saying them, what I do mind is that you make some deeply offensive personalized remark up and try and use that to gain advantage in an on -line chatroom arguement. That's just icky.

Tim is far more reasonable, far slower to resort to name calling, thus he gets far less grief. And for the record it annoys me when people bring up Tim's time in jail - it has nothing to do with this debate there is argument enough against Bomber's drivel, leave it out people.
Oh how lucky we are to have you here on Earth with us, you accused me and have not apologised for domestic violence, something I find appalling, and here you are trying to come across as the shining light of reason? This isn't therapy for you or anything is it?

I also note that you ignored this bit in my last post:

We'll never know if a phone call would have been enough to save him or if he would have survived only to have a life of disability due to his injury but if he hadn't been hit over the head with a baseball bat in the first place we can be 100% he wouldn't have died.

Incidentally: your new found faith in the police to attend a possible crime at night in Papakura is touches me. If you lived in the area, as I do you, might not be so confident that a night time call to the police about someone banging on the front door would have resulted in a visit from the cops in anything under 24 hours.

Nothing clever to say to that? just some moral equivalence about how a frightened older couple should be taking some responsibility for Michael Choy's death because 'they could have done something' while Baily shouldn't because he's a helpless 12 year old.


No I didn't comment on those Killa because I thought they were very good points, and that's your right to have an opinion, I however think that the elderly couple should have called the Police and I don't agree that their lack of promptness is an excuse not to have called them.

NEXT....
So now Bomber calls anyone who disagrees with him a cop?
Oh Anon, you are silly, no I was just saying that a couple sounded like they were cops, you know, humourless cops.

If you can't argue the point attack the person eh Bomber, I guess thats all you have left.
Well that's kinda funny, as I note it was in fact Killa who has said she wants to personalize the debate, not me.

And please just post the links that show our Justice system is intrinsically racist as you constantly spout. I'm sure you must have some really solid conclusive evidence to support that.

I'll do that by the weekend, have an interview to write for Phil Goff on Cluster Bombs and Chinese trade deals.

 
At 7/5/08 6:10 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Agin there is a world of difference between a 12 year old bungled robbery and a 19 year old watching out for a gang rape - a huge difference."

It wasn't a bungled robbery, it was a murder.
Why do you keep calling it a bunngled robbery?

"why did a 12 year old boy get 6 years when you consider the facts of the case minus the hype of the media."

Sigh.
He did six years because he was convicted of manslaughter.
He did six years because he was considered stll a risk when he came up for parole 2 years ago.
He didn't have to do six years, but that is what he did.

 
At 7/5/08 6:22 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not murder but a bungled robbery.

Haha, in that case, it wasn't rape, it was more a case of "misinformed consent".

Yeah, crimes sound so much nicer when you put a spin on them.

Oh, and there is indeed a difference between murder and rape-a huge difference.

Ask a rape victim and a murder victim, and they too will admit that there is indeed a big difference.

Well, one will at least.

 
At 7/5/08 6:48 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bobo gets OWNED!!!

You should give up while you have you credibility simply shredded.

 
At 8/5/08 1:56 am, Blogger tussock said...

Bravo, Bomber. You've attracted a fucked up crowd with it, but it's nice to see in print for once regardless.

 
At 8/5/08 1:30 pm, Blogger Molerats said...

I know a member of the Choy family very well. Worked with them for years. I know how they grieve as a family each and every year, the pain is no less real now as it was then. A hard working, proud family that have done incredibly well for themselves.

I’m a fan of this Blog, I really enjoy the different points of view that come across (albeit most of it is mostly Bomber hating lately). Reading this post however has got to be one of the worst things I have seen in a while.

Some of you should just feel bad as human beings, but I doubt you would or ever could when you clearly have such large axes to grind.

 
At 8/5/08 1:59 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, let's put some perspective into this...

Michael Choy was a young man who had a job - delivering pizzas.

These young yobos didn't have jobs but instead chose to steal from people like Michael - well exactly Michael actually.

Whether these youngsters wanted pizza or money is totally inconsequential. Whether they meant to 'merely' knock Michael out and stick him in the boot of the car or to kill him and stick him in the boot of the car, is inconsequential.

Let's look at the facts. This young adolescent kid was locked up because he took part in a sadistic act that ended up with the death of another human being. Regardless of his role in the incident, death was the outcome.

He was convicted of manslaughter and spent 6 years in jail. Too bad.

The intension is not the issue, the outcome is. And that outcome is the death of Michael Choy.

NS

 
At 8/5/08 5:42 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perspective my arsehole. The killing of Michael Choy was abominable. But like the other fuckups that get their jollies tossing themselves in this thread, you can't get it through your thick head that children aren't adults and do have diminished responsibility. More to the point, you don't actually give a shit - you want to see punishment eh. Maybe it makes you roll in delight, maybe you really get your rocks off over the idea of kids getting what they deserve eh NS? The fuck with them all! If it had happened to be three year olds who played lookout instead, well too fucking bad, send them to prison too!! That about the size of it? Does that thought make you nice and hard? How about that for perspective NS?

 
At 9/5/08 9:41 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I was just razzing you Killer, I don't mind a bit of push and shove, and I don't mind noting the same tone as the voice of authority in your posts, what I wouldn't do of course is name your identity through your email account and claim to everyone that you are a domesticly violent person, I wouldn't do that, because that's pretty low."

It is also a criminal offence, that is the only thing stopping you.

"If you can't argue the point attack the person eh Bomber, I guess thats all you have left.
Well that's kinda funny, as I note it was in fact Killa who has said she wants to personalize the debate, not me."

She?
SHE?

Are you such a sexist fuck that a term of abuse is to call another poster (who definately comes acreoss as male) she?

Do you find women to be less than men, for their sex to be used as a term of abuse.

What a fucking sexist pig you are bomber.

 
At 9/5/08 10:05 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 9/5/08 11:16 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it had happened to be three year olds who played lookout instead, well too fucking bad, send them to prison too!!

That's called a strawman argument, using it shows that you are a complete dickhead.


Are you stupid or something? Using a term when you don't understand it means you're the complete dickhead "Bogan". NS said

Let's look at the facts. This young adolescent kid was locked up because he took part in a sadistic act that ended up with the death of another human being. Regardless of his role in the incident, death was the outcome.

He was convicted of manslaughter and spent 6 years in jail. Too bad.

The intension is not the issue, the outcome is. And that outcome is the death of Michael Choy.


By that stunning logic a three year old lookout would be equally as culpable and I made the point to show what a load of bullshit it is.

NS is a female

He told you that did he? Or did you dream it?

 
At 9/5/08 2:12 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you ask her, fool?


From Wikipedia:

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position). A straw man argument carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.


Gee anon, that's EXACTLY what you did when used your 3 year old instead of a 12 year old argument. What. An. Idiot.
Now why don't you go back to talking about dicks, a subject you clearly know more about.

 
At 9/5/08 3:40 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes I am a woman - thanks Bogan - and apparently not too bad a dream at that heh heh.

My point is not that I think it's a good thing that he got six years in jail, but that everyone seems to be forgetting that there was a death as the outcome to this incident. If it were possible to have put him in some sort of institution that would have looked after him and rehabilitated him then great - but there isn't such a place is there? Punishment was definitely deserved. Six years in a tough environment that probably has taught him a whole lot of ways to help him with his future criminal behaviour is totally over the top. What would you suggest?

Kids are kids are kids. I have 6 step children who I love dearly, and of course my own son. Yes they do stupid things sometimes, yes they can't always be held accountable for their actions. But there must also be boundaries and kids (whether they are 3 or 12) need to learn what those boundaries are. Being involved in the death of another human being is definitely overstepping the boundaries.

NS

 
At 9/5/08 4:38 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is an argument for not holding baily criminally liable due to the fact that he was a minor but that would not in any way mean that the justice system should simply let him free as bomber suggests and he should be held in a secure unit until completely rehabilitated however long that may be.

If it takes 15 years then it takes that long. Considering the magnitude of the offence you cannot simply say he is a child and take no action. Its probably a better outcome not that he's found god and the like but I would be interested if he has apologised to Michael Choy's mother.

 
At 10/5/08 6:04 pm, Blogger Bomber said...

...
Um no Killer Beez, I just thought you were a girl, that's why I referred to you as a she, sorry that seemed to have threatened your masculinity so much, my mistake

 
At 12/5/08 9:28 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are you on about? I couldn't give a fuck which sex you think I am or what my occupation is, I'm not the one going out of his way to be offended here remember?

 
At 13/5/08 4:49 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Um no Killer Beez, I just thought you were a girl, that's why I referred to you as a she, sorry that seemed to have threatened your masculinity so much, my mistake"

So why do you remove posts that poke fun at your weight?

You can dish it but not take it?

people in glass houses bomber.

 

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