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Saturday, October 02, 2010

You're not in Guatemala now Dr America


US medical tests in Guatemala 'crime against humanity'
Guatemalan President Alvaro Colom has said the US committed "crimes against humanity" in a study that infected hundreds of Guatemalans with gonorrhoea and syphilis more than 60 years ago.

President Barack Obama has apologised for the medical tests, in which mentally ill patients and prisoners were infected without their consent.


Those crazy freedom and democracy loving Americans, why is it never infecting Congressmen with gonorrhoae via prostitutes?

21 Comments:

At 2/10/10 4:16 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are we not surprised? What's worse is that attitudes haven't changed much.

 
At 3/10/10 4:37 am, Blogger Wayne said...

Not surprised at all. The US record on 'human rights' makes the Soviet Union and China look like fucken choirboys.

Furthermore unlike the excesses in the Soviet Union and China - caused by imperialist blockade and the resulting panic and fear induced in those countries at the time, and also perhaps revolutionary fervour running amuck, US atrocities were evil racist crimes against victims who could not even have been accused of opposing the state or the people (unlike the case in most former socialist countries).

Just a couple of other atrocities people hear little about now carried out by this imperialist monster:

Phillipine American war:

The population decreased due to the wars, in the five-year period from 1895 to 1900, since, at the start of the first insurrection, the population was estimated at 9,000,000, and at present (1908), the inhabitants of the Archipelago do not exceed 8,000,000 in number.”[73] In light of the massive casualties suffered by the civilian population, Filipino historian E. San Juan, Jr. alleges that the death of 1.4 million Filipinos constitutes an act of genocide on the part of the United States.[74]


United States attacks into the countryside often included scorched earth campaigns where entire villages were burned and destroyed, torture (water cure[7) and the concentration of civilians into "protected zones".[76] In November 1901, the Manila correspondent of the Philadelphia Ledger reported:"The present war is no bloodless, opera bouffe engagement; our men have been relentless, have killed to exterminate men, women, children, prisoners and captives, active insurgents and suspected people from lads of ten up, the idea prevailing that the Filipino as such was little better than a dog...."[77]

 
At 3/10/10 4:51 am, Blogger Wayne said...

White america's considered non-whites to be sub-human. Look at how this self-righteous cock-sucking nation carried out lynchings with full impunity not that long ago:

1916 lynching of Jesse Washington:
he had been stoned with bricks, spat upon, and, at numerous points in torture, had shovels dug into his bare flesh and bone. A pile of wooden boxes had been set up at the base of a tree—Washington was castrated, thrown onto the pile, and then doused with coal oil. The chain had then been secured around a tree limb, and Washington, still secured within was hoisted above the flame. He made numerous attempts to climb the now-hot chain, and the crowd cut off his fingers to prevent any further attempt at escape. Three times, the agonized boy was raised and lowered into the flame in front of the crowd of 16,000, and in direct response, three times, further, according to the Cincinnati Freedom Center Exhibit, the crowd cheered and roared.[citation needed] It is not known how long he lasted before he died, but the mob let him burn for over an hour; they then took various body parts, such as his fingers and teeth, as souvenirs. His limbs were separated from his body, put in a bag, and dragged around town

The Soviets and Chinese never did anything like this. In fact the communists were the very first to speak up about racism and the Soviet Union was a beacon for millions of coloured people around the world. Lenin's "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism" was published in 1916 called for the rising up of the oppressed masses of Asia and Africa against their European imperialist masters.

While in the US at exactly the same time, the public was allowed to openly celebrate the aforementioned atrocity by sending postcards celebrating 'the barbecue' with complete and absolute impunity from legal action from the authorities:
http://tinyurl.com/mcnaoa

So who are the evil ones. The US imperialists or the men who brought liberating socialist revolution to over one quarter of the planet?

 
At 3/10/10 5:06 am, Blogger Wayne said...

The denizens of the land of the brave - this is the way they treated coloured people:

http://tinyurl.com/2fys6pk

Not just a few kkk members - the whole town would turn out, men women and children to celebrate the killing of black people.

And this same country, which even now is invading other peoples lands, dropping bombs on men women and children, which killed 500,000 Iraqi children (that ugly old slutbag Albright said it was 'worth it' in order to achieve certain US foreign policy objectives), has the temerity to lecture the Chinese on human rights abuses? To deride and viciously slander the Chinese socialist revolution, which as the eminent historian Maurice Meisner has said "saved, prolonged, and bettered the lives of more people than any other political event in world history."

The sooner the American empire is destroyed (the empire, not the American people) the better for all of humanity.

 
At 3/10/10 10:03 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because China has such a great human rights record wed all be better off under them, right! LOL! Stop watching propaganda, take in both sides of an argument, not just what your told to write! Under China, the world would be the same fucking shithole that it is, just with new rulers who would be so excited by being finally in charge of those daym whiteys! And then one day, theyre turn would be over and we'd all be cheering for some shithole nation like africa who would be our next saviours who would be touting about how theyd make it all better etc etc etc!

Chinas a hole, americas a hole, fuck it, shit aint gonna change by the fall of the 'american empire', the american people LIKE the empire or it wouldnt be there!

Just because you guys breed like rats dosnt mean that we should all do what you say simply because theres more of you! Thats called being a bully! And weve got america for that!

 
At 3/10/10 10:04 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

China has a fantastic record on loving coloured people, so much so that the only slaves they imported were castrated so they wouldnt infect the local populace! Well done China!

 
At 3/10/10 10:59 am, Blogger Wayne said...

Fact is there are about 1.4 to 1.5 billion East Asians and about 1.2 to 1.3 billion whiteys on the planet.

Guess which of these two parts of humanity are the greater ecological burden on the planet?

If China was in charge of the world it would be a better place. But don't worry the Chinese don't give a fuck about being in charge. Not like white folk who like to butt into everyone elses business.

As for Africa, China is overwhelmingly popular in Africa as poll after poll has shown. Unlike whites who just stole African land and resources (Kenya, Zimbabwe), and drove the Africans off their own land, the Chinese pay fair prices and help develop the infrastructure of Africa, without giving the Africans patronising drivel on how to run their own affairs.

The best study of the true Chinese role in Africa, backed up witha plethora of facts and figures is The Dragon’s Gift: The Real Story of China in Africa, by Deborah Brautigam. http://tinyurl.com/y87lm7n

The Africans themselves highly praise China’s role in Africa.

The Rwandan President:
“The Chinese bring what Africa needs: investment and money for governments and companies…..China is investing in infrastructure and building roads……European and American involvement “has not brought Africa forward…….Western firms have to a large extent polluted Africa and they are still doing it”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8301826.stm

The South African President
“China is there discussing with the brothers and sisters in Africa to create a mutually beneficial kind of relationship”, which is “different from former Western colonialists (simply) taking things by force.”
http://tinyurl.com/2eekb7t

Botswana President:
“I find that the Chinese treat us as equals. The West treats us as former subjects. Which is a reality. I prefer the attitude of the Chinese to that of the West. ”

Ugandan President:
“The Western ruling groups are conceited, full of themselves, ignorant of our conditions, and they make other people’s business their business. Whereas the Chinese just deal with you, you represent your country, they represent their own interests, and you do business.”

 
At 3/10/10 11:52 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Not surprised at all. The US record on 'human rights' makes the Soviet Union and China look like fucken choirboys."

I don't recall the US running gulags where they worked millions of political prisoners to death. Still, I could be mistaken and look forward to links proving such evidence.

 
At 3/10/10 3:27 pm, Anonymous AAMC said...

The were just clever enough not to do it on their own soil. Have a look at Washington's history in South America
and the behavior of those they sponsored before you allow yourself to be seduced by the version of history you've obviously swallowed Anon. That's before we start talking abou South East Asia or the Miiddle East and their various exploits to control energy. China just surpassed th US in oil purchases from Saudi they have challenged US naval exercises in the Yellow Sea and they are building infrastructure and distributing wealth beyond their boundaries to Greece, Brasil, Afghanistan, Turkey, they have helped Germany emerge quickly from the recession. Is that a Multi Polar world they're sponsoring.?Only time will tell, but so far not a trigger pulled, which is a record the Americans and the Brits cannot hold any moral high ground on.

 
At 3/10/10 4:12 pm, Blogger Wayne said...

David Stannard: "The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away, the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world", with almost 100 million Amerindians killed in what he calls the American Holocaust.

Of course the trans-Atlantic slave trade with conservative estimates of 12.5 million - although of course not all these slaves went to the American colonies, or the later to become United States.

However consider that the population of the US was only about 20 million as late as 1850, and one can get an idea of the sheer enormity of these crimes, whereas Stalin's excesses (probably less than 1 million victims) took place against a backdrop of almost 200 million at the time, and execution ofcounterrevolutionaries and saboteurs were probably at maximum about 800,000 out of a population of about 450 to 800 million during Mao's times (other deaths were due to natural disasters and factional infighting).

The difference between communist excesses and the crimes of imperialism were of course the nature and age of the victims, and the national and international context in which excesses occurred. For example the new regime in China was threatened with annihilation by the US, and there were numerous saboteurs of the old order who still required suppressing in order to consolidate the revolution.

(as an aside the French Revolution also went through its bloodiest phase when threatened with invasion by outside powers).

Those killed were largely killed because of real crimes and were adults who conceivably were actively opposing the new regime.

Whereas US imperialist crimes were not excesses, or going too far, but outright criminal behaviour which was applied to utterly innocent people - victims who did not even have the luxury of ever being accused of a crime, let alone committed one.

This US attitude to the lives of coloured people of course can be seen in the atomic annihilation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the cold blooded murder of 500000 Iraqi children.

According to Madeleine Albright half a million dead Iraqi children was 'worth it' in order to achieve US foreign policy objectives.
http://tinyurl.com/23qz63u

 
At 3/10/10 4:28 pm, Blogger Wayne said...

The fact is in the Asian and African colonies up to independence forced labour, corvee labour was widely used with millions of deaths.

Rudy Rummel (an arch conservative mind you who is stridently anti-communist, who up until recently has tried to deny colonial 'democide') has admitted:

"I’ve reevaluated the colonial toll. Where exploitation of a colony’s natural resources or portering was carried out by forced labor (in effect slavery of a modern kind), as it was in all the European and Asian colonies, then the forced labor system built in its own death toll from beatings, punishment, coercion, terror, and forced deprivation. There were differences in the brutality of the system, the British being the least brutal and Leopold and the French, Germans, and Portuguese the worst. We all know what the Soviet gulag was like. These colonizers turned Africa into one giant gulag, with each colony being like a separate camp.

Based on this research, I’m willing to estimate that over all of colonized Africa and Asia 1900 to independence, the democide was something like 50 million. This is way above my original 870,000. Even 50 million may be too conservative."


I suggest some of you educate yourself on the German genocide of the Hereros, and of course the worst of them all the goings on in King Leopold's little hobby farm in the Congo, where they chopped the hands and feet off children who did not fulfill their rubber quota.

And then of course there is Britain and France who fought wars to force the Chinese to legalise and accept imports of opium. The devastation this caused to China is still largely undocumented but we can be confident that it will number in the tens of millions. Opium addiction became a scourge among the Chinese, including those early Chinese in New Zealand.


The Chinese and Russians again, did kill - but out of fear of destabilisation, and because they had newly established their respective socialist republics. This of course was wrong and should be avoided in the future, but at least the people they killed potentially could have been a threat to the survival of these socialist states, and knowingly completely innocent men, women, and children were rarely targeted.

Such is not the case of the Western imperialism which treated non-white peoples as basically little better than livestock to be used to enrich themselves.

Anyone with even an iota of moral perspective should be able to see the difference.

 
At 3/10/10 4:54 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So let me get this straight.
The American government infected people with STDs causing pain & suffering on PURPOSE. COVERTLY.
A crime against HUMANITY.
Obama says sorry & its all good?
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Same guys our children are following into Iraq & Afghanistan right?
Same people?
We support this right?
We are fucked.

 
At 3/10/10 4:58 pm, Blogger Wayne said...

Sorry to belabour the point:
I suggest the interested reader also read more on the extermination of the Namibian Herero, and the King Leopold’s little hobby farm in the Congo (about 10 to 15 million victims). Children who did not fulfil their rubber quota had their hands and feet chopped off.
Also Caroline Elkins book Imperial Reckoning: The Untold Story of Britain's Gulag in Kenya. The British imperialists turned Kenya into one giant ‘gulag’ in order to try and keep hold of land that was never theirs (before this of course they had already driven off the African people from their lands and handed these over as vast estates to white settlers).
Note that the above atrocities took place among groups of far fewer numbers than Russia or China – which of course only increases the sheer enormity of the crimes.
Another little thing that seems to be almost completely absent from Western discourse on China is the Opium wars. The British and French of course fought wars against China in the 19th century in order to force China to legalize and accept massive imports of opium. The true number of victims of this is still not documented completely, but it would be sure to run into the tens of millions. The scourge of opium addiction was only eliminated after the establishment of socialist China, and even in New Zealand it was a major problem among the early Chinese.
The socialist countries of course committed excesses, but these were committed in the context of the instability of newly established regimes, subject to ferocious attacks by both domestic and outside forces, and the understandable hysteria and paranoia these would have engendered among the new regimes of the time. Many of those killed were guilty, but even those wrongly killed were at least accused of a crime. And this was often in the heat of the moment when passions were inflamed and the fear was if one did not kill one would be killed by counterrevolutionary forces (barbarities were committed on both sides –the Tsarist leader of the white armies, Kornilov famously said he would be happy to see ¾ of Russia’s population killed in order to stop Bolshevism).
However the victims of Western imperialism included men, women, and children, and their deaths were caused not because they caused fear in the hearts of their murderers, but simply because Europeans saw non-whites as little better than livestock to be exploited for their labour, land, and resources, to be cleared out of the way for white settlement like one would fumigate a house for pests before moving in.
Hitler’s racial ideas, and his plans for Russia, Eastern Europe were in part inspired by the imperialism practised by the other European powers (Germans were a little peeved about getting in on imperialism a little later than the English, French, and Spaniards – Russia instead was to be their area of colonial conquest).

 
At 3/10/10 5:09 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All that crap is called ignoring what youve said and coping and pasting pointless shit to make it so boring it looks like i even read your argument. Well done Wayne! youve convinced me to work as a slave for your great empire!

 
At 3/10/10 5:15 pm, Blogger Wayne said...

Sorry to belabour the point:
The socialist countries of course committed excesses, but these were committed in the context of the instability of newly established regimes, subject to ferocious attacks by both domestic and outside forces, and the understandable hysteria and paranoia these would have engendered among the new regimes of the time. Many of those killed were guilty, but even those wrongly killed were at least accused of a crime. And this was often in the heat of the moment when passions were inflamed and the fear was if one did not kill one would be killed by counterrevolutionary forces (barbarities were committed on both sides –the Tsarist leader of the white armies, Kornilov famously said he would be happy to see ¾ of Russia’s population killed in order to stop Bolshevism, and Chiang Kai Shek was completely indiscriminate killing the entire families of communists, Mao’s included). Whereas the communists did not kill those children of counterrevolutionaries, and the orphaned children of Japanese troops captured at war’s end in the communist controlled areas were adopted by Chinese families and raised as Chinese.
However the victims of Western imperialism included men, women, and children, and their deaths were caused not because they caused fear in the hearts of their murderers, but simply because Europeans saw non-whites as little better than livestock to be exploited for their labour, land, and resources, to be cleared out of the way for white settlement like one would fumigate a house for pests before moving in.
Hitler’s racial ideas, and his plans for Russia, Eastern Europe were in part inspired by the imperialism practised by the other European powers (Germans were a little peeved about getting in on imperialism a little later than the English, French, and Spaniards – Russia instead was to be their area of colonial conquest).

 
At 3/10/10 5:20 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anyone with even an iota of moral perspective should be able to see the difference."

I think you should add 'socialist' moral perspective to that since without this it negates your entire argument.

 
At 3/10/10 5:33 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should have tried it on some Jews then see what would have happened.

 
At 3/10/10 5:55 pm, Blogger Wayne said...

I would like to clarify, that I do not think that imperialist atrocities have anything to to with the race of the perpetrator, or even Christianity (a religion I have a lot of time for).

After all the Buddhist, Shintoist Japanese were no better. And Marxism Leninism of course came from the Christian West.

So the problem of course is the rapacious immoral capitalist system which drives men to behave like animals, and the racism is an ad-hoc justification for exploitation.

The answer of course is to overthrow the current system, and replace it with a fairer system, not dominated by the US, China, or Russia, or the EU or any other great power.

However I do genuinely think that China, under nominally Marxist Leninist leadership (at least they still profess to believe in socialism - whether or not China is technically still a socialist society I am prone to doubt), is better for the world than if China was openly capitalist. An openly capitalist China, which would not even make any pretence of third world solidarity.

Much better that China continues to profess Marxism Leninism and one day she could well return to the true socialist path.

Compare the modernization paths of East Asia's two biggest nations:

When Japan modernized, she adopted a Western European model of development - that is invade other people and kill and take their stuff. We all know about that.

Whereas the first 30 years of socialism in China, she went her own way, forged relations and supported oppressed peoples all over the world, and even with an incredibly low GDP and international embargo, doubled life expectancy and dramatically raised literacy (both statistics at the time of Mao's death better than 'democratic' India's today), all without invading and oppressing foreign peoples.

 
At 4/10/10 7:29 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You all did bad things so you dont deserve to be in charge! Let me copy and paste lots of government given facts!

Therefore we should be in charge! Without earning it! Cause we were in charge ages ago!

Thats your argument!

(P.S. I love how you think everyone hates chinese and you need to straight away post facts about another country acting towards yours hundreds of years ago and try to lump it so that it sounds like we did it, simply because were white!)

 
At 4/10/10 12:48 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The USA are scum. It's great to see their economy being destroyed.

 
At 5/10/10 10:35 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The USA are scum. It's great to see their economy being destroyed.

And you economy too, gimp.
Or don't you think economies are interconnected?

@AAMC

If you hate western democracy so much, stop enjoying it's fruits, and fuck off to China/Iraq/Somalia...

You are like a white liberal under South African apartheid.

You condemn the system, but enjoy what it gives you.

Fucken hypocrite, either stand by your convictions and move, or admit that you actually love what living in a western democracy can provide.

 

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