2 years jail for stealing $2.90 pineapple lumps - welcome to the New redneck NZ
Pair jailed over theft of pineapple lumps
Two youths have been jailed over the theft of a packet of pineapple lumps worth $2.90.
The Sensible Sentencing Lynch mob have done such a successful job of injecting hate into social policy and this hate has been so easily manipulated by politicians like Simon Power and Crusher Collins that we now have a crime and punishment environment that justifies jailing someone to 2 years jail for stealing $2.90 pineapple lumps!
And won't our over crowded, expensive, double bunked, violent, corrupt prison system look after these two young men, who I'm sure will be released angry and hateful and will explode on release - all for a packet of fucking pineapple lumps!
Well done NZ, the myopic crime addicted ratings driven media focus have enabled you to be so irrationally angry about crime that reason has left the country.
Give yourself a clap red neck NZ - 2 years for pineapple lumps, incredible, just incredible.
posted by Bomber @ 12:59 pm
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30 Comments:
You mean 2 years for aggrivated Robbery right.
This wasn't mere shoplifting. They went into a store, held up up pretending to have a firearm.
If they had merely shoplifted $3 worth of pineapple lumps it would be a different story.
Nice attempt at spinning the story though.
Stealing a national treasure at that! Death by firing squad I say.
How fucking dare you Mike - they pleaded guilty up front, the Judge noted that there was no violence OR WEAPON INVOLVED - and the Judge still sent them down for 2 fucking years jail for $2.90 worth of pineapple lumps! I don't need to spin this one inch to show it up for the contemptuous example of the raw meat law and order mentality sinking deep into the already conservative world of the Judge.
To try and justify this as the 'norm' MikeE is the spin and shame on you for trying.
The maximum penalty for stealing $2.90 worth of pineapple lumps is 3 months imprisonment.
Actually the judge said the defendent's threatened violence against the shopowners making them fear for their live thereby making it aggrevated and hence the difference.
If you can't understand the difference between hiding some pineapple lumps in you pocket then sneaking away and masking yourself and threatening a shopkeeper with physical violence then obviously your judgement is deficient and quite clearly you are fucked.
Nice attempt at a spin though so I'll give you -C on this one.
I was interested by this posting by I see you dont have any comment on their previous convictions or is such information irrelevant? If these fine individuals had no prior convictions then they would have most likely have got diversion so why should we have any sympathy for these idiots?
Whats your response to the victims, or was the judge wrong to place such weight on the victim impact statements or are you saying the victims are lying in these statements?
Actually the judge said the defendent's threatened violence against the shopowners making them fear for their live thereby making it aggrevated and hence the difference.
If you can't understand the difference between hiding some pineapple lumps in you pocket then sneaking away and masking yourself and threatening a shopkeeper with physical violence then obviously your judgement is deficient and quite clearly you are fucked.
Nice attempt at a spin though so I'll give you -C on this one.
If the system is so rigid because of political hard line populist fear driven policy, that it can't look at a 20 year old and a 21 year old who PRETENDED to have a gun and made off with only a packet of bloody pineapple lumps and conclude that 2 years inside our corrupt, violent, no rehabilitation double bunked prison service which is creaking at the seams is a good idea, then I say that is an unjust system that will only succeed in creating an empire of misery within our prison nation.
I was interested by this posting by I see you dont have any comment on their previous convictions or is such information irrelevant? If these fine individuals had no prior convictions then they would have most likely have got diversion so why should we have any sympathy for these idiots?
Whats your response to the victims, or was the judge wrong to place such weight on the victim impact statements or are you saying the victims are lying in these statements?
I am not suggesting for one moment that the fear for those poor people caught up in this awful robbery weren't valid, they were frightened and terrified by this ugly thuggish incident, but surely Justice demands we look at other factors here. One of these guys had just bounced out of bloody prison, I can almost put money on the odds that this angry young man will come out dehumanized from the experience and act that violence out again. You can not convince me that sending those two young men to prison for 2 years over a pack of pineapple lumps is just or (most importantly) is going to work. Restorative Justice could at least narrow the odds that these two young men won't just come right back out and commit worse offenses.
Why propagate a penal system that only exacerbates the problem?
As Graeme Edgeler, a lawyer, has stated bomber, the maxixmum sentence for theft of pineapple lumps is 3 months imprisonment.
Guess they didn't get charged for shoplifting pineapple lumps. Must be, say, for aggravated robbery then.
but surely Justice demands we look at other factors here. One of these guys had just bounced out of bloody prison,
Justice did bomber, and saw that he just got out of prison as an aggravating factor, not a mitigating one.
"If the system is so rigid because of political hard line populist fear driven policy, that it can't look at a 20 year old and a 21 year old who PRETENDED to have a gun"
So how is the person a the other end of the barrel of a fake gun or threat to use force suppose to understand that the offender is only pretending?
To the victim its a threat that will be imminently carried out in the event of non-complience so the 'pretending' that your argument relies on is actually irrelevant.
This is why it is called aggrevated robbery and the policy behind this because its a pretend threatindisguishable from a real threat. WTF do you think any offender in the same situation is going to say in the dock 'oh yes your honor I was going to kill/maim/injure so please convict me of attempted murder as well'
That'll work.
BTW this offence has been around for decades so its nothing new.
Having been threatened with violence on a number of occasions, working in an ED, I can tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about, Bomber. I still get flash-backs to some of them 20 years later.
The victims here were threatened with what they thought was a gun. The terror they would have felt is unimaginable, unless you have experienced it. And all for pineapple lumps. That tells me that these young thugs are not going to be damaged by two years in prison. They are already damaged. A light hand slap would have been an utter waste of time.
anonymous @ 2:39 - there is no way anyone charged with aggravated robbery will ever get diversion. Aggravated robbery is considered so serious an offence that prison will almost always result, even for first time offenders.
Various Anon, thanks to Graeme's advice we know that (apparently) as they they pleaded guilty to "Aggravated Robbery" that something of this ilk is the only possible outcome.
So, the question is does this seem "just"?
Effectively, all that they have done is steal $2.90 of pineapple lumps. Why is not some medium ground between "2 years" and "no penalty" possible in our justice system?
If this is the only possible outcome in these circumstances, can we really claim that our "justice" system actually works?
The phrase 'propensity for violence' springs to mind.
Do you have any conception of what that means Bomber and if so why is your punishment a wet bus ticket slapped ineffectually across the hand?
Its a pity the shopowners were not armed. Given that prison costs around 60k per year the savings would have been at least 120k if they had killed while in the commission of a aggrevated robbery.
@Richard "Effectively, all that they have done is steal $2.90 of pineapple lumps."
No. Effectively stealing the pineapple lumps is NOT all they have done. They threatened violence to someone, and attempted to steal money and cigarettes from them. They grabbed the pineapple lumps while escaping.
The ongoing psychological trauma to his victims will have a terrible effect on their lives.
Imagine this.
Someone walks into a bank and tells the teller that he has a gun in his pocket, and if the teller doesn't give them money, then he will pull it out and shoot them.
The teller hits the alarm and the failed bank robber runs out of the bank. Whilst fleeing, he grabs someones hat.
The robber is later apprehended, and charged with attempted bank robbery; and subsequently sent to prison.
The media and general public only focus on the fact that all the man stole was effectively a hat.
It simply wouldn't happen.
The man would be seen as a bank robber period.
I see no difference between these real aggravated robbers and my mythical bank robber.
Can everyone stop talking about the pineapple lumps please. It is completely irrelevant.
They were charged with aggravated robbery, not stealing pineapple lumps.
Which is in fact exactly what they did.
Lock em in with Bruce Emery...he'll sort them out.
I see no difference between these real aggravated robbers and my mythical bank robber.
That's because Gosman you want to propagate a penal system that only exacerbates the problem. You fail, as you usually do, to see anything beyond your hard right point of view, the mythical burglar crap doesn't justify two years inside, they pretended to have a gun, this should never have been charged as aggravated burglary, they pleaded guilty early, there was no violence no weapon and based on that you can support two young men going away for two years for some pineapple lumps which shows the unfortunate pathology of longer sentences you use as your answer to everything.
You are part of the problem Gosman.
Let's face it for real. If they were white kids on the North Shore or anywhere else, this would all swept under the rug, mere hijinks. A couple brownies from the north. Throw the book at em'. Racism at its finest.
Well Martyn, they wont do it again will they? Its about standards. Set them high, people have to meet them. Thats why I went to war to defend this country.
The point that should have been made is fuckers like Roger McClay, and Hotchins etc get away with a slap on the hand for, what should be at least, far more serious crimes.
That is the injustice. That is where there is unfairness.
But that does not mean the two pineapple lump crooks do not deserve two years.
It simply means McClay and Hotchins etc deserve a lot more - say five to 10 years. In fact Hotchins would get a fucken bullet if I had my way.
Wayne Fucking pretending to have a gun is serious enough. That would be traumatic for the shopkeeper...
If it's traumatic for the shopkeeper, that's a reason for the shopkeeper to have access to ACC based counseling or similar.
That's not really an argument for a higher sentence for the offenders.
And what was aggravated about this robbery then? That there were two of them and they pretended to have a gun - two dumb guys pretend to have a gun, THERE IS NO VIOLENCE and there is NO WEAPON and all they actually steal is some pineapple lumps? To defend sending these two guys to 2 years in jail because it was an 'aggravated robbery' is bullshit and simply a symptom of our 'lock em up forever' sensible sentencing lynch mob mentality feed by a crime myopic mainstream media who lust for crime driven ratings. Early plea of guilt, no weapon, no violence, $2.90 pineapple lumps = aggravated robbery = 2 years inside prison. And what positive outcome can we expect from sending these two young men inside our over stretched double bunked prison system? Fuck all. If you lot want to defend that system of 'justice', go right ahead, don't expect me to come along for the ride.
Don't worry bomber, next time I am sure they will use a gun.
I consider myself to be a fairly liberal and informed person when it comes to law. Let's think about this rationally. Yes, prison likely will make them worse than when they went in. Yes, it is definitely aggravated robbery because they pretended to have a gun and scared the shopkeeper. That they didn't have a weapon, doesn't decrease the threat experienced by the victim, but it would decrease the sentence. Lastly, the offenders likely won't serve more than a third of their sentence. The stealing of the lollies turned it from an attempted ag rob to the completed offence. Stupid yes, should go jail? Not sure, don't have all the facts/past criminal history/propensity for violence. Wish I had all the answers, but unfortunately I don't. :)
If it's traumatic for the shopkeeper, that's a reason for the shopkeeper to have access to ACC based counseling or similar.
That's not really an argument for a higher sentence for the offenders.
Are you for fucking real???????
The shopkeeper being traumatised is not some reaction due to some highly unusual phobia.
Anyone would be traumatised.
Terroizing someone with a fake weapon is almost as bad as with a real weapon. How the fuck is the shopkeeper to know until after the fucken fact????
You might as well say assaulting someone is not grounds for punishment, because its the hospital's job to stitch up the victims.
The punishment had absolutely NOTHING to do with the pineapple lumps. Even if they got away with nothing, they would have likely received the same punishment.
It was, obviously, the aggravated nature of the crime.
Two years is actually pathetic. New Zealand still has the most soft-cock laws in the entire world.
In the US they could well have drawn five to ten years.
For fucks sake, in the US, minors can be jailed for life without parole, and up until about three or four years ago, even executed (16 and 17 year olds have been excecuted over the past decade or so).
And here people get about 18 years at maximum for the most heinous types of murders.
Lynch mob mentality --bullshit. Justice.
Those fuckers deserved what they got and I really hope that someone does fuck them up in prison - like literally.
From the NZ Herald report, this was what the 2 years was for:
The dairy owner's son, who was operating the store at the time, had to put his university studies on hold because of the robbery, Judge Weir said.
"They were worried they would be hurt."
The store owner's wife had been shattered by the experience, the judge said.
In her victim impact statement she stated, "We have all been given the gift of life - live life like a human being, not like an animal," Judge Weir read to Walden.
The perps had a bandana over their head for fucks sake.
The two years is for threatening to kill someone, about terroizing ordinary citizens going about their everyday business. Not about $2.90 pineapple lumps. If they had simply shoplifted them, it is highly unlikely they would have been jailed at all.
Good job.
When are people going to learn the bare basics of civilization?
Keep your effing hands off other peoples stuff.
It's not a difficult thing.
I tell you this cunts, when they come out in two years it wont be pineapple lumps next time or just a pretend gun, we may just may be creating killing machines, we are so short sighted as you will see in 10-20 years time crime will not have gone down it will be getting more violent and increasing,jail does not rehabilitate for the most part.
Yeah, fuck the victims lets give the crims a break and set them free.
and here's me wondering why the SST is gaining growing popularity.
I welcome the day when an indian diary owner guns down a couple of these thugs and no doubt tumeke will bleat on about poor little crims.
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