Hone likes to fuck whitey off, but not fuck whitey (glad he cleared that up)
Harawira race-date view 'ridiculous'
Prime Minister John Key says it is "ridiculous" that MP Hone Harawira would not be happy about his children dating Pakeha. Mr Harawira made the comment in a Weekend Herald profile about his political comeback since his notorious email referring to "white motherf*****s." Asked how he would feel if one of his seven children came home with a Pakeha, he replied: "I wouldn't feel comfortable. Like all Pakehas would be happy with their daughter coming home with a Maori boy - and the answer is they wouldn't."
Is anyone else getting sick to death of this routine where Hone says something mildly stupid allowing John Key to seem moderate and mainstream? Hone isn't being racist, he's just appealing to racists. He does have a point though, if you start letting your kids get busy with whitey, there are a whole bunch of things you have to accept into your family...
Things white people like
The World Cup
Picking your own Fruit
Banksy
Camping
Where the Wild Things Are
Vespa Scooters
Bob Marley
Funny or Ironic Tattoos
sea salt
posted by Bomber @ 12:01 pm
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Karl Marx's Educational Theory
Analyst: M. L. Fulano de T.
RETURN
edited 1/4/08
1. Theory of Value: What knowledge and skills are worthwhile learning? What are the goals of education?
Combination of education with industrial production (CM 75) We still had no idea how much education ... had yet to be done to make the proletariat capable of shattering the bourgeois world. (PCM vii) Transformation of labor into the primary means of self-realization rather than a curse borne grudgingly. (PCM 22) The same object appears quite different [and thus its value viewed differently as well] to members of different classes (PCM 29) The free development of each would be the condition for the free development of all (PCM 37) People would need a long period of reeducation under socialism to condition them away from the selfish orientation produced by capitalism and toward the wider perspective necessary to create communism. (SGCM 2) In order to live, people must secure food, shelter and clothing, typically by production (PHP 410) Education is to consist of a many-sided technical training of youth, so that a many-sided development of capacities might take place. (CME 190)
This is a VERY slippery slope.
Hone isn't being racist, just "appealing" to racists.
So...
Firstly: The benchmark for racism is now set higher than the infamous white mofos statement.
Secondly: It's some hidden "essence of the man and his beliefs" rather than what he actual says on race that determines racism.
Thirdly: One who plays the race card is now no longer automatically racist; we should first ascertain whether or not they are attributing difference on the basis of race, or if they are merely stating such facts to cynically appeal to a racist audience (presumably for electoral gain.)
Ergo - One who plays the race card isn't necessarily racist.
So Don Brash - Orewa Speech, John Howard - Boat People..I doubt either of these two learned gents think that race pre-determines someone's actions and personality..they were merely appealing to a certain (large) segment of the voting population.
Both presumably will no longer be considered racist on Tumeke for "playing the race card?"
"I wouldn't feel comfortable. Like all Pakehas would be happy with their daughters coming home with a Maori boy - and the answer is they wouldn't.
Err...that is a racist comment, pure and simple. He is judging someone on the colour of their skin before he's even got to know them. Who cares what "all" Pakehas think, you set your own moral compass, the prejudices of others shouldn't influence you.
The vast majority of both Pakeha and Maori are smart enough to realise that racial differences account for jack all when it comes to determining how a person will behave (nurture trumps nature)
Those who don't are morons and should have paid more attention in science class.
The more we learn about this guy the worse it gets. I appreciated Harawira's passion and directness on issues. He challenges many assumptions and represents a valid (albeit separatist) view point. But this latest brain fart just adds to the poorer image that was emerging after his trougher sense of entitlement over the Paris jaunt.
He is now entering tragicomic territory.
THE RIGHT HONOURABLE WINSTON PETERS
8.30 TUESDAY NIGHT/TONIGHT
MOUNTAINSIDE FM 88.3FM
PANMURE SPEECH LAST WEEK REPLAYED.
DON'T KNOW IF THE SIGNAL GOES ANY FURTHER THAN PAK'N'SAVE AT G.I...
"The vast majority of both Pakeha and Maori are smart enough to realise that racial differences account for jack all when it comes to determining how a person will behave (nurture trumps nature)"
If nurture trumps nature, then a person who has been brought up in a racist country such as NZ, would in turn, most likely be racist....just a thought.
I don't take exception to what he said, he answered a question and said he wouldn't feel comfortable....thats all, he admits he wouldn't '"feel comfortable". He then questions whether "all" Pakeha would be happy if the situation was reversed, and he is correct in saying they wouldn't.
His view of Pakeha is warranted, he knows the history of NZ and the statistics of Maori vs Pakeha.
Remember racism requires the ownership of power first, otherwise it doesn't exist. This is a storm in a teacup, produced by newspaper trying create news, to sell copies, in order to make more money from advertising...they got you hook line and sinker.
Key is moderate and mainstream. Hence his consistent 50%+ polling.
Everybody is jumping straight on to the assumption that Mr Hawawira was unhappy about his kids dating non-maoris because of perceived racial differences between Maori and non-Maori instead of the far more obvious reason.
Mr Hawawira is an intelligent man who has seen his whanau thrive while still valuing traditional Tangata Whenua values. On the other hand he doesn't have to go far from home to see Maori on the bones. Those Maori on the bones are generally there because they got sucked into doing things Pakeha style.
Traditional Maori culture emphasises the importance of the group the whanau, hapu and iwi whereas pakehas are generally taught to look after themselves first.
Even within families brothers and sisters are taught to compete against each other rather than co-operate. Putting a pakeha trained to look out for themself first into a whanau where everyone else has been taught to value the group and support all within it leads to the sort of chaos no one wants in their family.
Fair enough for him to say that. I for one preferred NZ when we all had a more socially focussed consciousness. Pretty soon when the 'individual' has been completely smashed by monopoly capital (the rich understand the advantage in banding together) we will have to go through the restructures of 1930 to 1950 again. If we can. Next time the enemy of the people will be offshore.
Thoughtful answer Fatty, a couple of points on it though.
"If nurture trumps nature, then a person who has been brought up in a racist country such as NZ, would in turn, most likely be racist....just a thought."
All depends on ones take on if NZ is a racist country. I stated that the vast majority of NZrs both Pakeha and Maori are not racist and don't hold these views, so no I don't think NZ is a racist country. Even if they do, so what, its a stupid argument..if you head off to other parts of the world you don't accept the worst traits of their culture just because the majority do. I couldn't care less about the racial make up of my future kids' partners, if they've chosen them that's a good enough gauge for me. To be wary of someone, that you children have chosen to bring around just due to their race...wow!
Regarding racism needing the ownership of power I think that is complete and utter bullshit. If you want to believe that fine; just because you've read it somewhere doesn't make it true. Racism is really a pretty damn simple concept.
It's a limp excuse to try and account for cases like Harawira; when people would otherwise want to turn it around and call him a black mofo.
I personally wouldn't want to do so, but it's an obvious response when cases of racism (this most recent one, rather than the white mofos e-mail, which I accept might be a rejection of the Pakeha 'way' rather than outright racism) are by and large ignored.
I've limited my take on Harawira to what was actually said, I don't waste my time critiquing what a journo has written, so I'll ignore the hook, line and sinker barb.
For the record the white mofos comment was provocative, and said in a private e-mail, I couldn't care less. I care considerably more about someone ducking their responsibilities to take a trip to Paris. I commented as such at the time, and made the distinction.
To be honest at the time I expected more from Harawira as he comes across as a straight up, direct and honourable guy. Now he comes across as your standard trougher, who is a racist to boot.
I lived in the Far NOrth for 20 years. My children were all born in Kaitaia, and they are descendantsof the Mataatua canoe. Back in 1990's when the north was reeling from the neo liberal looting of the NZ economy many great community initiaves were started upthere by those of us who loved where we lived and possessed enough vision to keep a fractured community functioning. NZ's first community owned recycling scheme for example. CBEC, fundraising for schools and sports clubs, establishment of a Community HOusewhere all community organisations could operate from,lobbyng the FNDC for funding and owning the Art Gallery,environment protection orders for the preseveration of 90 mile beach sand dunes a neverending list. Hone as an effing idle racist separatist never had anything to do with any of these.Too busy revising history at the Pakeha funded Kura on a pakeha funded wage. He is and always has been full of shit!!!
Obviously Mr Hatfield hates whitey but I'm more interested in the hard scenarios.
What if his daughter wanted to date someone whole was ethnically (physically) maori but culturally identified with pakeha?
How about if some lily white dude with ginger hair rolled in with a huge piece of greenstone around his neck and an excellent command of te reo and tikanga but had no maori blood whatsoever. Is he acceptable do get down with his daughter?
Someone should put these questions to Mr Hatfield
compassionate conservative:
You don't think NZ is a racist country? Are you serious, we have the biggest sporting event ever to come to our shores happening next year and we decided it was OK for a national hero and RWC ambassador to use the word 'darkie' and claim our most successful Super rugby franchise is racist. That is acceptable to our country.
What about the way the Govt stepped in to ensure the Maori channel would not have the rights to the RWC?
Check the stats, Pakeha are way, way better off in every respect in NZ, So either NZ is a racist country or Maori are substandard to Pakeha, its one of the two...you choose.
"Regarding racism needing the ownership of power I think that is complete and utter bullshit. If you want to believe that fine; just because you've read it somewhere doesn't make it true. Racism is really a pretty damn simple concept. "
Nice comeback...is that it?
Does this 'not believing what you read' apply to your posts...or just other stuff I read?
"I've limited my take on Harawira to what was actually said, I don't waste my time critiquing what a journo has written, so I'll ignore the hook, line and sinker barb."
Firstly he said he would feel uncomfortable....this does not mean anything more than that, this does not mean he will not accept a Pakeha, or hold anything against him, he will just feel uncomfortable...whats the issue.
Secondly he suggested that not all Pakeha would be happy if their daughter came home with a Maori...this is true, not all Pakeha would be happy...very few would be happy, that is the truth.
Thirdly I never suggested critiquing the jurno, but you should take Hone's statements from his context, as well as the newspapers context...they got you...pull that hook out your mouth.
"Check the stats, Pakeha are way, way better off in every respect in NZ, So either NZ is a racist country or Maori are substandard to Pakeha, its one of the two...you choose."
Maori have a higher incidence of smoking: how is smoking racist?
Maori have a higher incidence of alcohol abuse: do I see the KKK forcing Maori to get pissed.
et cetera
"Firstly he said he would feel uncomfortable....this does not mean anything more than that, this does not mean he will not accept a Pakeha, or hold anything against him, he will just feel uncomfortable...whats the issue."
Because its based on the race of the person not some individual trait?
If I as an employer said at a job interview to a maori applicant I'm not hiring you because I'm not comfortable with maori then would this be racism? But according to you I would not be.
"Secondly he suggested that not all Pakeha would be happy if their daughter came home with a Maori...this is true, not all Pakeha would be happy...very few would be happy,"
Based on what evidence? Totally unsubstantiated The mere fact that there are very few pure blooded maori in NZ proves this is false.
"but you should take Hone's statements from his context, as well as the newspapers context"
So what context are you talking about? Elaborate.
"No, no fatty it was you in the thread about Andy Hayden a couple of weeks ago. You tried your bullshit about how Maori can't be racist because they don't have power and you got shot down by two people and didn't have a come back."
Ah...I do remember, just gave up cause the message wasn't getting through, big difference. Andy Hayden...classic.
I'll try again...
Racism is a form of violence, racism is more than just words or actions. Violence can occur in the form of economic violence, physical violence, etc, or as we are talking here, racial violence.
Just as physical violence requires a power imbalance, so does racism.
If an very old lady pushes me at the bus stop and I fall over and she laughs at me, is that an assault? Can I call the cops and have her charged with assault? Technically I can, but in reality that will not happen, the cop will probably laugh at me and tell me to get on with life. If I pushed her, I would most likely be facing charges.
Same action...one is assault, the other is a non-issue.
Same applies with racism, if there is no power behind the words (as there was little physical power behind the push) is it still racism?
If you understand that, you understand my view. Now we can disagree as to how much of a power imbalance exists between Maori and Pakeha...that depends on our own view of history, how Maori were treated and the effect of those actions on Maori today.
But we must surely agree that power is needed to be racist...right?
"Maori have a higher incidence of smoking: how is smoking racist?
Maori have a higher incidence of alcohol abuse: do I see the KKK forcing Maori to get pissed."
LOL...I couldn't have picked 2 better examples if I tried.....Alcohol and cigarettes? Do you know where they came from, how Maori got hooked on them in large numbers, the repetitive cycle of addiction within families from one generation to the next...Pakeha had nothing to do with that?...you got to be kidding.
"If I as an employer said at a job interview to a maori applicant I'm not hiring you because I'm not comfortable with maori then would this be racism? But according to you I would not be."
I can see why your last question is in regards to context....are we talking employment opportunities or a remark in an interview? Words in different circumstances and settings have very different repercussions, examples are obvious.
"Based on what evidence? Totally unsubstantiated The mere fact that there are very few pure blooded maori in NZ proves this is false."
Based on common sense...notice the word 'all' and the word 'happy'....this means every Pakeha in NZ, including the racist rednecks. Also how many Pakeha would be 'happy' that their daughter brought home a Maori?...happy would be one of the last words they would use...read carefully next time.
This idea of a Maori being full blooded is very euro-centric and originated when there was a belief that races existed, and one 'race' was better than another...that was about 150 years ago. Maori define themselves though blood links, not the amount of blood...old fashioned, outdated and unintentionally racist these days.
I covered context in my last post...as for the newspsper's context, I stated its trying to sell advertising space....is this real news...not for me it ain't
"Alcohol and cigarettes? Do you know where they came from,"
Tabacco originated from North America where the indigenous peoples grew it was a crop. But yet again you fail to grasp the argument.
"how Maori got hooked on them in large numbers"
Because the evil pakeha forced them at gunpoint while dressed in white sheets to imbibe? Is that what you're saying. I'm sure Bomber can acknowledge that alcohol abuse transgresses racial boundries.
"But we must surely agree that power is needed to be racist...right?"
So those nazi skinhead in CHCH on the dole with little education are not racist?
That's the corollery of your argument and where it totally falls apart.
Try again.
"Maori define themselves though blood links, not the amount of blood...old fashioned, outdated and unintentionally racist these days."
Lucky for Mr Hatfield no doubt.
"Just as physical violence requires a power imbalance, so does racism."
Wrong again. If I go stab someone (in the back) who is much larger than myself I pretty sure the police won't let it pass.
"Words in different circumstances and settings have very different repercussions, examples are obvious."
So if Andy Haden used the word 'Darkie' in a rugby changing room he wouldn't be racist. Yay.
Well done anon for taking every point out of context (the irony is amusing)...effectively showing your inability to posses a constructive argument.
If you can not see the influence of power within an act of violence then I give up.
I wish I lived in your black and white world....*yawn*
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