Demokracy with a k
Looking at the full page adverts in the Weekend papers these whack jobs are running for their bullshit 'march for democracy', we can now see what their real agenda is.
So, they are an Anti-MMP, Sensible Sentencing Trust lynch mob who want the legal right to belt their kids. Nice spin job on selling reactionary knee jerk talkhate radio hubris as a fight for democracy. Their propaganda model is more akin to the Tea Parties and Public Health opponents Fox News and the Republicans spawned in America. This isn't democracy, it's demokracy.
Funded by this tedious bloke Colin Craig who jaw droppingly compares his actions of blowing $450 000 on an ego wank of a March to the sacrifices made by soldiers fighting in World War 2! The audacity of the man!
The TV adverts are no better, "Why are you treating us like children John Key"? Ummm, because you are acting like children and luckily for you smacking children in the head is now illegal.
Demokracy with a k folks. Who wants to join me in protesting these conservative and socially narrow clowns? Surely someone is planning a counter protest?
posted by Bomber @ 3:07 pm
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So, they are an Anti-MMP, Sensible Sentencing Trust lynch mob who want the legal right to belt their kids. Nice spin job on selling reactionary knee jerk talkhate radio hubris as a fight for democracy.
They were always so. Talkback folk are all sizzle and no steak, so I don't think many will turn up.
Finally people in my own family agree with me about the smacking thing because of this march. I, along with others like yourself, always said the issue was simply about the right to hit kids - my family said it was about freedom. Freedom had nothing to do with it.
The NZ Libertarianz position has been truly disgraceful. Right from the start they attached their chariot to the religious right, who have never been friends of freedom. Smacking is the initiation of force, which they are supposed to oppose. They paid for this far right idiocy at the ballot box.
Proving that Tumeke is a hang-wringing apologist blog, not believing in demcracy or fight from wrong. Go the SST, its the Left that are the nutjobs, all you ever do is make excuses for those that will not behave.
I've seen the smacking debate - right from the start - as a sort of IQ test for the New Zealand...and it's sad to see such vast numbers fail utterly.
Their facts are wrong. The issue is ass-backwards. The evidence doesn't support them.
They don't give a rat's arse about evidence or facts. They are possessed of common sense....which Albert Einstein rightly described as those prejudices one leanrs by the age of 18.
"Proving that Tumeke is a hang-wringing apologist blog, not believing in demcracy or fight from wrong."
The anonymous poster is fooled into thinking that a referendum, that was run by a group with an axe to grind, that used a heavily loaded question to play on the fears of the uninformed, is democracy in action. More like stupidity.
But I personally will not participate in a counter protest. The protest for democracy for the stupid is aimed against the current administration. If John Key folds and tries to reintroduce section 59, he will be taken to task for a stupid kneejerk reaction that would leave parliament very divided, if he ignores the march he will be crucified. I say, don't counter protest, let National suffer. We could even join the protest but protest against the surveillance measures put in place, I'm sure the SST protesters will love that.
Statement from ARC Chairman Mike Lee.
Transport Minister Steven Joyce couldn't be more wrong when he claims that Auckland's public transport and urban development is currently unplanned.
Furthermore the Minister appears to have come up with this as a new argument to justify his continued foot dragging around funding for new electric trains and expansion of commuter rail for Auckland.
"The rationale for electrification and the CBD tunnel in terms of city building is self evident, but I suggest the Minister gets himself up to speed on all the work that was done before he was elected," says ARC Chairman Mike Lee.
"I am more than happy to help with that. On Monday, I will be sending the Minister a courier van load of plans and strategy documents put together by the Auckland Regional Council group and other local authorities working in conjunction with central government over the past five years.
"Among the consignment of weighty documents on their way will be the Auckland Regional Growth Strategy, Boston Consulting Group report on rail electrification, Regional Land Transport Strategies (the current new draft version), the joint Auckland Transport Strategic Alignment Programme (drawn up by regional and central government officials in 2006), and the Auckland One Plan (2008) that aligns central government and regional objectives around upgrading commuter rail for Auckland.
"Finally I'll be sending the Minister the Auckland rail electrification business plan 2006 that was drawn up by Brian Roche, who is now Chair of the New Zealand Transport Agency.
"I find it incredible that the Minister appears not to know about these documents much less to have read them. If he is using the lack of paperwork as a belated pretext for blocking the funding of electric trains then he better find himself a better excuse. That one just won't wash with Aucklanders.
"Wellington is getting a brand new fleet of electric trains and extension of electrification including tunnelling to upgrade its public transport while Auckland is getting diddly squat," says Mr Lee.
"However, when it comes to roads, the Minister can proclaim a $2.3 billion holiday highway between Puhoi and Wellsford as a 'road of national significance' without it appears any cost benefit analysis at all.
"Why the double standard Minister? It is beginning to feel like the Minister has been captured by roading interests, and is only taking notice of what he wants to.
"The facts that I will be sending the Minister tomorrow speak for themselves. Auckland desperately needs the Government to honour the commitment it made to help fund electrification and upgrade the Auckland rail network.
"Public transport patronage will not continue to grow without this investment. And to any Aucklander stuck in traffic, it's easy to see that roads alone won't solve congestion and get Auckland moving again.
"It seems to be that this Minister has a real problem with double standards - especially his double standard about his holiday road as against commuter rail for Auckland."
Mr Lee was responding to articles on the Super City quoting the Minister that appeared in the NZ Herald on 26 September 2009.
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all this bullshit aside, the poster does have a point. they have happily ignored all our referendums quite happily and laughed at the will of the people. you guys dont have a problem with this?
All the petition-initiated non-binding referenda to date have been a joke. Even the first one, about firemen's pay, was dumb to the point of numbness. The rest have been Kiwis parading their ignorance on whatever topic was in question.
Rightly ignored....every single one of them.
You need to check your facts Bomber, smacking kids for discipline is not illegal - however the defence of hitting kids when disciplining and causing physical harm has been removed. Maybe a good clip round the ear might help you to understand the law a little better and stop ya spouting off a load of garbage.
You need to check your facts Bomber, smacking kids for discipline is not illegal - however the defence of hitting kids when disciplining and causing physical harm has been removed. Maybe a good clip round the ear might help you to understand the law a little better and stop ya spouting off a load of garbage.
Jesus, how desperate are you to justify belting your kids mate?
No, no, no - you do understand the difference between binding and non-binding referendum right? You want to debate the mechanics of binding referendum, let's do that - but holding up 3 examples of poorly debated and in 2 cases, ludicrously worded questions as Government ignoring the will of the people doesn't wash.
IF this was about binding referendum, why the fuck isn't that word mentioned ONCE on their website? Why? Because this has NOTHING to do with binding referendum and EVERYTHING to do with pushing narrow socially conservative knee jerks as broad based democratic issues.
And someone needs to call them on their bullshit.
i meant the actual poster, not the poster above
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