Sderot is 1km from the Gaza ghetto watchtowers of automated Israeli machine guns. Sderot is a colonial outpost of the Zionist campaign to take over Palestine for a Jewish State. It sounds like it started out as a sort of refugee camp for Jews. That's Sderot - their residents are all immigrant Jews, like the one on TV just now soft-talking the BBC's anchorwoman. Another immigrant - he sounded Australian. Our brave hero is volunteering to slaughter Arabs. He blithely stood their emotionless while lying about the facts of his regime's war crimes. I think he could do the communications job more effectively if he were in a wheelchair. I would look forward to seeing that.
The Palestianian Arabs aren't even allowed back to their own homes in Israel because they are not Jewish, but these colonists from Australia and America and wherever are given the royal treatment. They need to pump in as many Jews as possible to keep their numbers up. I remember Sharon going on a tour and encouraging Jews to emigrate - preceded or followed by coincidental local anti-Jewish incidents. They will terrorise their own people into fleeing if it means they will settle in Israel.
They will use terror every time - that is how they operate. That is how they got the British out, that is how they got the Arabs out. A Jew in any country in the world has more rights in Israel - even though they may have never been there - than a Palestinian refugee who is never allowed to return to their own home. Talk to Israeli Jews - I haven't met one yet who will countanence a right-of-return. And that makes them Nazi bastards. And then I tell those Nazi bastards that they are participating and are pawns in a colonial enterprise, a militarised race-state, in the clutches of extremist fundamentalists, whose agenda will always be conflict. This will push the other side into the same posture and equations and it will be deadlocked. The UN voted to establish Israel and the UN can take that away. And they should. That's what I mean when I say wipe Israel off the map - a unified state with autonomous regions rather than the Jewish State and the Arab State. The Israelis have already wiped Palestine off the map and want to keep it off - so no hysterics are necessary over the language concerning Israel's precious right of existence. If they deny the right of existence to the expelled Arab population then I have little sympathy toward that regime's right to exist.
When you are taking people's land off them on the basis of race and asserting jurisdiction over someone it has to be done by force - it's the only way. And when people resist this it becomes conflict. Israel is in the wrong - and Israel itself is wrong.
The white South Africans actually voted in a referendum to end Apartheid - but Israeli Jews would not vote for a right-of-return. The Jews stole it and they aren't going to give it back - to put it simply without all the rhetorical bullshit and academic terminology. The Arabs can be herded into camps and blockaded while the Jewish middle class indulge themselves in dinner parties in the houses they stole off the Arabs after they terrorised them into fleeing - America underwriting every bloody cheque - it's sickening to even think about it.
The two-state solution is a joke. It is an apartheid division. South Africa was not split between a white state and a black state, so why should we listen to the equivalent of the South African white government - supported by the white countries and Arab parties bought off by the US (that's most of the Arab League) - offering the continuance of their ethnic state as a bottom-line whilst attacking and holding hostage the equivalent of the black government. Refusing to even speak to democratically elected governments representing the other party, as if they could pick and choose not just how and when it can be settled but by whom.
Israel has nuclear weapons and they are probably the only ones paranoid, angry and arrogant enough to use them. America backs them to infinity and is the only openly nuclearised country that routinely threatens to use them. That's why they do as they please. They are both behaving like terrorist states - Israel especially. America is funding their terrorism and giving them political cover. Funding and political cover were both given as reasons for attacking the Hamas government by that Israeli spokesman on the BBC.
Anyway, Sderot:
The first inhabitants of Sderot arrived in 1951 to what was then known as the Gevim-Dorot transit camp. Most of these residents were Kurdish and Persian refugees who lived in tents and shacks before building permanent structures almost four years later in 1954, with Sderot becoming the westernmost of the development towns in the northern Negev. In the 1961 census, the percentage of North African immigrants, mostly from Morocco, was 87% in the town, whilst another 11% of the residents were immigrants from Kurdistan.[4] In the 1950s, the city continued to absorb a large number of immigrants from Morocco and Romania, and was declared a local council in 1958.
From the Jerusalem Post:
A public relations campaign must accompany any military one nowadays, and the government has consequently undertaken various PR measures, from personal diplomacy to tours of Sderot for foreign journalists. All are perfectly reasonable steps. Yet the effort is marred by one fatal flaw: You cannot convince the world that Palestinian rocket fire justifies an assault that has killed almost 400 Palestinians when you have previously spent three years dismissing this fire as unimportant.
Livni herself was saying "peace and quiet" rather than "peace and security" when she spoke to Al Jazeera. She made it sound like "glorified skyrockets" herself.
The Jewish children of Sderot "display some symptoms of post-traumatic stress " - a pathetic whinge considering the ones across the fence in Gaza are torn to shreds by the dozen by the Israeli government. This shit stream continues:
"Inability to grasp the impact of daily terror..."
- Daily terror is part of the Palestinian lot too. Misery is the rest.
Just last January, Olmert told the Knesset that there is "no need to get all fired up" about the rockets, and a major military operation in Gaza would be "out of proportion to the pressures we face." Public Security Minister Avi Dichter declared in July 2006 that disengagement was a success despite the rocket attacks, because "10 months without any Israeli being killed" from Gaza "is an extraordinary achievement"; that same month, former premier Ariel Sharon's chief strategist, Dov Weisglass, said the rockets do not detract from disengagement's success, because "the physical damage they do is not great." In short, daily rocket fire is unimportant as long as nobody gets killed.
One can understand why the government adopted this line. First, this is basically the same government that executed the disengagement, so if rocket fire is a big deal, the fact that it more than tripled following the pullout means the government's flagship policy was a failure. Second, the government has proved unable to stop this fire despite several military operations and two truces, so admitting that rockets are a problem means admitting it has failed on the security front.
But the bottom line is that the government has spent three years telling the world that rocket fire does not matter. And reversing this perception will require a concerted effort lasting for years. No short-term PR blitz will suffice.
The PR blitz is well underway. There was a reporter yesterday who said from the border he saw rockets being fired nearby inside Gaza but the Israelis took more than ten minutes to respond with planes. Do the IDF want the rockets to keep coming?
Come on tim, comparing the Israelis to the Nazis is stupid.
ReplyDelete"Why don't you go to Germany/Austria/Poland...and see what the real Nazi's did to the Jewish people, and perhaps you can get your head around why they think the way they do."
I went to Dachau (just outside of Munich) last October. One of the most moving places I have ever been. You can not begin to compare the two - the Israelis don't gas the Palestinians to death for staters.
As I posted in another comments section - the real motivation behind people who compare the jews to the Nazi's is to downplay the holocaust (and get a cheap shot in against the Jews at the same time)
"Now, why don't you do some in depth blogging on why the Egyptians/Syrians/Lebanese/Saudi's... aren't doing more for their Arab brothers, as much as the Jewish diaspora do for Israeli's?"
Because our PC enviornment has taught us not to expect the same standards, hasn't it.
Voluntarily abandoning one's home, then changing one's mind does not make one a refugee, nor does it entitle a right of return. If you start a war and lose it, that's tough shit.
ReplyDelete"The Israelis have already wiped Palestine off the map..."
When exactly was this? It was Egypt and Jordan that wiped Palestine off the map. You're welcome to your opinions Tim, but they should at least be based on accurate history.
Amira Hass / 'Gaza strike is not against Hamas, it's against all Palestinians'
ReplyDeleteBy Amira Hass
One person killed in that attack was Hassan Abu Shnab, the eldest son of former senior Hamas official Ismail Abu Shnab.
The elder Abu Shnab, whom Israel assassinated five years ago, was one of the first Hamas politicians to speak in favor of a two-state solution. Hassan worked as a clerk at the local university and played in the police band for fun. He was performing at a police graduation ceremony on Saturday when the bomb struck.
"Seventy policemen were killed there, not all Hamas members," said S., who opposes Hamas. "And even those who supported Hamas were young men looking for a job, a salary. They wanted to live. And therefore, they died. Seventy in one blow. This assault is not against Hamas. It's against all of us, the entire nation. And no Palestinian will consent to having his people and his homeland destroyed in this way."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html
Amira Hass is not only an Israeli but both of her parents are Holocaust camp survivors. Yet she has gone on to become the most prominent Israeli journalist to make it her mission to report as often as possible from Gaza and the West Bank, breaking bans and earning the wrath of both Israeli and Palestinian officials.
Hass was born in Jerusalem, and studied the history of Nazism at Hebrew University. She joined Haaretz in 1989 and began living nearly fulltime in Gaza or Ramallah starting in 1993. She earned the Press Freedom Hero award from the International Press Institute in 2000, among other international journalism prizes. She now lives in Ramallah.
How we like our leaders
By Amira Hass
This isn't the time to speak of ethics, but of precise intelligence. Whoever gave the instructions to send 100 of our planes, piloted by the best of our boys, to bomb and strafe enemy targets in Gaza is familiar with the many schools adjacent to those targets - especially police stations. He also knew that at exactly 11:30 A.M. on Saturday, during the surprise assault on the enemy, all the children of the Strip would be in the streets - half just having finished the morning shift at school, the others en route to the afternoon shift.
This is not the time to speak of proportional responses, not even of the polls that promise a greater share of Knesset seats to the mission's architects. This is, however, the time to speak of the voters' belief the operation will succeed, that the strikes are precise and the targets justified.
Take, for example, Imad Aqel Mosque in Jabalya refugee camp, bombed and strafed shortly before midnight on Sunday. These are the names of the glorious military victory we achieved there - Jawaher, age 4; Dina, age 8; Sahar, age 12; Ikram, age 14; and Tahrir, age 17, all sisters of the Ba'lousha family, all killed in a "precise" strike on the mosque. Another three sisters, a 2-year-old brother and their parents were injured. Twenty-four neighbors were wounded and five homes and three stores destroyed. This part of the military victory did not open our television or radio news broadcasts yesterday morning, nor did they appear on many Israeli news Web sites.
This is the time to speak about the detailed maps in the hands of IDF commanders, and about the Shin Bet advisers who know the exact distance between the mosque and nearby homes. This is the time to discuss the drone planes and the hot air balloons fitted with advanced cameras floating over the Strip day and night, filming everything.
This is the time to rely on legal advisers studying the operation to find the right phrasing to justify "collateral damage." Time to praise Foreign Ministry spokespeople who in their polished language, with their elegant South African or charmant Parisien accents, say it is the fault of Hamas, which uses neighborhood mosques for its own purposes.
Talk of double standards has always been moot. Maybe there was a huge weapons store in the mosque. Maybe Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades militants met there every night and from there planned to launch their upgraded fighter jets.
Where does the IDF Chief of Staff sit when he draws up war plans? Not in the Sahara, or even in the Negev. What would happen if someone blew themselves up at the entrance to Tel Aviv's Cinematheque movie theater, and those who sent him said sorry, but he was headed for the Defense Ministry down the street?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051028.html
From:
The Holocaust as political asset
By Amira Hass
Separating the genocide of the Jewish people from the historical context of Nazism and from its aims of murder and subjugation, and its separation from the series of genocides perpetrated by the white man outside of Europe, has created a hierarchy of victims, at whose head we stand. Holocaust and anti-Semitism researchers fumble for words when in Hebron the state carries out ethnic cleansing via its emissaries, the settlers, and ignore the enclaves and regime of separation it is setting up. Whoever criticizes Israel's policies toward the Palestinians is denounced as an anti-Semite, if not a Holocaust denier. Absurdly, the delegitimization of any criticism of Israel only makes it harder to refute the futile equations that are being made between the Nazi murder machine and the Israeli regime of discrimination and occupation.
Nazi scum. We should trick you into thinking you are going to have a communal shower with all your friends while I wait up on the roof ready to give you all a late Christmas present.
ReplyDelete(Just a thought) Maybe if the Dum-hamas-ah would stop with thee suicide bombings Israel may not be so sticky, with the missile finger.
ReplyDeleteBUT; personally fuck them, Israel should just use a nuke and and be done with it.
but thats sad with the Nazi comment Tim
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One of the major myths exploited by the Israelis is that, in 1948, the nascent state was savagely and without provocation, attacked by the massed Arab forces.
ReplyDeleteThe timeline does not support this thesis.
Before the Arab League moved to stabilise the area on 15th May 1948, 250,000 Palestinians had already been terrorised out of their homes and made refugees.
They were terrorised by events such as the massacre at Deir Yassin which is well documented and occurred at the beginning of April that year.
Benny Morris, himself a committed Zionist and Professor of history at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in Be’er Sheva had this to say:
Q: Benny Morris, in the month ahead the new version of your book on the birth of the Palestinian refugee problem is due to be published. Who will be less pleased with the book - the Israelis or the Palestinians?
Morris: The revised book is a double-edged sword. It is based on many documents that were not available to me when I wrote the original book, most of them from the Israel Defense Forces Archives. What the new material shows is that there were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought. To my surprise, there were also many cases of rape. In the months of April-May 1948, units of the Haganah [the pre-state defense force that was the precursor of the IDF] were given operational orders that stated explicitly that they were to uproot the villagers, expel them and destroy the villages themselves.
http://www.logosjournal.com/morris.htm
It was for this reason that the Arab League acted. I recommend a thorough reading of their declaration:
http://www.ipcri.org/files/Arableaguestatement48.html
At no time in the '48 action did Arab forces cross beyond the Partition boundaries and into the proposed Jewish State. The League did favour a Unitary State with votes for all and this, it seems, was what Israel feared the most - a modern plural democracy. They were, furthermore, outnumbered by the Israeli forces:
"In the Event of invading [Arab] forces were limited to approximately 30,000 men. The strongest [consider this fact while reading the next quote] single contingent was the Jordanian one, already described. Next came Egyptians with 5,500 men, then the Iraqis with 4,500 who ..... were joined by perhaps 3,000 local irregulars. The total was thus around eight rather under strength brigades, some of them definitely of second-and even third-rate quality. To these must be added approximately 2,000 Lebanese (one brigade) and 6,000 Syrians (three brigades). Thus, even though the Arab countries [population] outnumbered the Yishuv by better then forty-to-one, in terms of military manpower available for combat in Palestine the two sides were fairly evenly matched. As time went on and both sides sent reinforcements the balance changed in the Jews' favor; by October they had almost 90,000 men and women under arms, the Arabs only 68,000." (The Sword And The Olive, p. 77-78)
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story457.html
While we are myth-busting:
ReplyDeleteThe Historic claim:
“The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart...[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”
“Recent archeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE...Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofor attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined...Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE.” The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998.
The Diaspora:
From:
Israel deliberately forgets its history
Zionist nationalist myth of enforced exile
by Schlomo Sand
Le Monde Diplomatique
September 2008
Translated by Donald Hounam
"But during the 1980s an earthquake shook these founding myths. The discoveries made by the “new archaeology” discredited a great exodus in the 13th century BC. Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time. And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders.
Nor is there any trace or memory of the magnificent kingdom of David and Solomon. Recent discoveries point to the existence, at the time, of two small kingdoms: Israel, the more powerful, and Judah, the future Judea. The general population of Judah did not go into 6th century BC exile: only its political and intellectual elite were forced to settle in Babylon. This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism.
Then there is the question of the exile of 70 AD. There has been no real research into this turning point in Jewish history, the cause of the diaspora. And for a simple reason: the Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Apart from enslaved prisoners, the population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest."
Schlomo Sand is professor of history at Tel Aviv university and the author of Comment le people juif fut inventé (Why the Jewish people were invented)(Fayard, Paris, 2008)
Come on tim, comparing the Israelis to the Nazis is stupid.
ReplyDelete"Why don't you go to Germany/Austria/Poland...and see what the real Nazi's did to the Jewish people, and perhaps you can get your head around why they think the way they do."
I went to Dachau (just outside of Munich) last October. One of the most moving places I have ever been. You can not begin to compare the two - the Israelis don't gas the Palestinians to death for staters.
As I posted in another comments section - the real motivation behind people who compare the jews to the Nazi's is to downplay the holocaust (and get a cheap shot in against the Jews at the same time)
"Now, why don't you do some in depth blogging on why the Egyptians/Syrians/Lebanese/Saudi's... aren't doing more for their Arab brothers, as much as the Jewish diaspora do for Israeli's?"
Because our PC enviornment has taught us not to expect the same standards, hasn't it.
SDM, weren't you the one who shut up real quick after the Lebannon war once it was shown that Israel planned the whole thing?