Teenager mauled by Police Dog (he ain’t heavy, he’s a bloody great big dog with very sharp teeth)
Hmmm, the cops say this 17 year old kid was waving a piece of wood at them, and that’s why they had to set the dog on the kid so much so that he might lose his leg because the dog mauled him. Now I wouldn’t like to rock the boat, but this case comes on the heels of a couple of other cases against the cops where they have used their dogs to maul people after the people claim they have stopped resisting, of course because we don’t have an independent Police complaints authority, wed have to trust the cops on this one, and of course there will be plenty of people saying ‘good on the cops, little prick shouldn’t have been out after his curfew’ and I’m supposing having your leg mauled with the potential for amputation is okay as well.
Hmmm, how about arming NZ Police with RPG’s from Sunni resistance groups in Iraq to target and use against anyone speeding? That would solve speeding, of course many people would die, but they probably deserved it.
Teenager may lose leg after bitten by police dog
A teenager may lose his leg after being bitten by a police dog during an arrest early on Thursday morning, his family says. Tristan Abraham, 17, was facing burglary, theft and driving charges when he was granted bail in Palmerston North District Court on Wednesday, the Manawatu Standard reported today. When police did a curfew check at his bail address later that night, Abraham was not there. Abraham was tracked to property in the early hours of Thursday morning, set upon by a police dog and arrested. He appeared before a Justice of the Peace in a bedside court hearing at Palmerston North Hospital later that day on a charge of burglary. He was remanded in custody until next Tuesday on all charges and last night was still in hospital under police guard. Family members said doctors had told them Abraham may have his lower leg amputated as a result of his injuries.
posted by Bomber @ 8:07 am
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Don't feel sorry for this little shit- he is an unrepetant multiple burglar.
Perhaps now he might think twice before stealing things other people worked long and hard to pay for.
Justice if you ask me.
yes deano here we go, one of the first to jump on the justice trail, yet you dont seem to take the say line with your piggy friends. now do ya.
Wow, the NZ police force is going all Sharia on us.
Or is it the Kunta Kente effect?
Either way they are just legs, and they are just criminals.
to the loser who calls himself most hated: im not surprised you think its okay this little prick is out burgling, he's probably your son or whanau and he's under priviledged and didnt mean it and blah blah blah. simple: if he wasn't a crim in the first place he wouldn't have drawn that attention; if he'd abided by his curfew he wouldn't have been bitten; now he wont be able to burgle..but hey he can just get his cuzzies to do it for him. Que cera cera.
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Anon - I think we can all agree that people should keep to a curfew - however the issue here is whether it is acceptable that this teenager should lose his leg for breaking curfew. Your derision at any suggestion that a persons socio-economic environment has anything to do with the choices they make seems almost anthropologically Luddite in nature, you ever watch any educational material on the developmental design of children Anon? Teenagers fuck up, that’s how they learn as adults, that doesn’t justify losing a leg.
and i guess a swinging piece of 4x2 does no damage to a persons head/body? what were the cops supposed to do "thats ok-we know you have breached your curfew and were out sizing up a few burgs...but because you have that 4x2 and are acting aggressively and threatening us, we will let you go"? would that be how you'd run the situation bomber? first you hate the taser idea completely; and in this situation no taser is available because the manawatu are not trialling them. you would have whinged for sure if he had been tasered.. "the use of it was not justified! he was not a perceived aggressive threat! he's only a baby..a baby". am i wrong? yes teenagers fuck up, but this kid has fucked up too many times and despite being placed on a curfew, he continued to fuck up.
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and i guess a swinging piece of 4x2 does no damage to a persons head/body? what were the cops supposed to do "thats ok-we know you have breached your curfew and were out sizing up a few burgs...but because you have that 4x2 and are acting aggressively and threatening us, we will let you go"? would that be how you'd run the situation bomber? first you hate the taser idea completely; and in this situation no taser is available because the manawatu are not trialling them. you would have whinged for sure if he had been tasered.. "the use of it was not justified! he was not a perceived aggressive threat! he's only a baby..a baby". am i wrong? yes teenagers fuck up, but this kid has fucked up too many times and despite being placed on a curfew, he continued to fuck up
Phew – this is beginning to feel like a really intense therapy session.
Anon, I completely agree with you, the Police must use force to defend themselves or others, and I agree that there are situations when Police are totally justified in using Tasers – I don’t disagree with any of that at all!
Here’s where I come from it though –
1: We have only heard one side of the story and witnesses for the boy say that he wasn’t holding a 4x2.
2: You can’t just arm Police with non lethal, but painful weapons and not also give them extra training in being able to calm a situation down rather than simply going for the weapon option first, a boys leg has been so damaged it’s been considered for amputation here, no matter how hard arsed or chest puffing you want to be about this issue, your ‘serves you right’ sentiments are just incredibly simplistic.
3: We had a spate of stories in the media recently regarding Police using excessive force and stories in particular last year of Police Dogs being allowed to maul people after they have surrendered, to simply take the version of the story from the Police point of view at face value to justify this current mauling seems incredibly naive.
4: On the wider issue, the Police need better resources and more perks with much better counseling services. The current 19 weeks training to be a cop is a fucking joke, they deserve better, WE deserve better. Police physical requirements need to be lifted again, I’ve always found that the most aggressive Police are the smaller ones who panic when situations get out of hand and reach immediately for a weapon. Physically stronger Police have the confidence not to panic when situations become intensely stressful.
5: And to an even wider part of the issue, we don’t have an Independent Police Complaints Authority – police investigating police and the secrecy behind it’s reports goes NO WHERE in securing public faith in knowing that IF Police ever over step their powers, then there will be an open and independent investigation.
You wrap your entire debate in anti-PC sentiment, making me out to be some bleeding heart liberal who wants to give the kid a hug, that my concerns for the wider question of ‘why’ this teenager went off the rails somehow disqualifies my other legitimate concerns as a citizen to the issue of police power in society.
Why is it so outrageous of me to ask, as a citizen in my own fucking country, that if we start handing out tasers to Police, (who already have a history of misusing Dogs and Pepper Spray), then we should have an independent complaints process to investigate any misuse of Police powers. Why would you give the Police more powers without any of the checks and balances we require as a democracy?
..."already have a history of misusing Dogs and Pepper Spray"..do you really believe that? is a couple of reported incidents a "history" as you call it? of note though, the last 2 handlers that went in front of the court of this country, were found not guilty. I'm interested: of all the cops youve ever dealt with, what number did you dislike? Personally I haven't had dealings with any I disliked, even when getting a ticket. But then I don't go around causing shit and making victims of people and disrespect police.
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Wow, that's a pretty weak come back there Anon - please tell me you have more than this? Cops get let off cases of abuse, that really shocks and surprises me, I mean with someone as trusting as you on the Jury, the cop would need to eat a baby in front nof you before you might waiver on their infallacy. In case you didn't read my point, let me say it slowly for you Anon,
Why - is - it - so - outrageous - of- me - to - ask - as - a - citizen - in - my - own - fucking - country, - that - if - we - start - handing - out - tasers - to - Police, (who already have a history of misusing Dogs and Pepper Spray), - then - we - should - have - an - independent - complaints - process - to - investigate any - misuse - of - Police - powers. Why - would - you give - the - Police - more - powers - without - any - of the - checks - and - balances - we - require - as - a democracy?
I particularly liked the case last year where the cops had to pay out thousands in compensation because a police dog was wrongfully let lose on an innocent man after the dog ripped through a major vein in his leg. But I suppose you have an excuse for that as well, how is it Anon that you won’t allow us as citizens to have the type of checks and balances over police powers that any democracy wants.
Well that was all a very interesting debate...
Facts are Tristan was mauled by the Police dog after being arrested.He had no 4 by 2.He is definately not from highbury and he aint no cry baby... the family complained about the dog.He dont cry on that he comes from a bad bringing up etc and when he was caught he did his time...he still lives to this day with chronic pain and numbness in his leg.And if you believe in criminal brutality go live in a third world country and get a grip.A man just recently got attcked by a police dog and refused compensation and he wasnt doing anything.But hey Police got away with that also.
Police had 24 cases last year about dog bites etc but they always get away with it.But if it was our dog it would be shot.
I dont condone Tristans behaviour but there has to be a level where dogs need to be controlled more by their owners ie police dogs.
And dont be too cocky a police dog wont attack you cause it happens to innocent people also.
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